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Right... and.. again.. my point is that those powers should not be the reference point for balance at all. So until we stop bringing up the absolute *best* pool powers when balance is something you do based on the *average* pool power, the comparisons are irrelevant to me.

Absolutely disagree with the “must be considered as good as Hasten, Weave, Maneuvers, etc. before you can nerf it”. Those powers are at the far (good) end of the bell curve, yes, but IMO everything on the entire “better” half of the bell curve is fair game for balancing. I also think the only reason the big 4 pools meta hasn’t been nerfed to encourage build diversity is because the shitstorm would make this thread look like nothing - not because those powers represent the epitome of reasonable balance.

All of your posts seem to contain messages like this that treat opinions like settled facts. It doesn’t work very well for me.

You didn’t read the posts then because those are a fraction of the mitigation tools that were explained several times.

I’ve used Experimentation far more often than Sorcery or Force of Will. A preventive medicine mule, a super speed plus longer range combat teleport, and a +dam/+tohit/+rech buff? How this pool is subpar I have no idea. I’m sure I have it on over a dozen 50’s.

I see the many posts of some users including myself outlining the many ways one can deal with mez have continued to be effectively ignored by users intent on believing that mez is a bigger problem than it is.

I’d live with a nerf to Hasten, Weave, etc. to level the playing field a little for power gamers that need that extra incentive. But I get the strong feeling that’s not what *anyone* wants.

If that is the case, the implication is naturally that the forum pvper population will never consider these pools worthwhile until each one provides +def or +rech. Hard no vote on homogenizing the game like that. But yes you as well have validated my hypothesis that RoP’s usefulness is not well correlated with its popularity because it doesn’t matter what its use is if it’s not +def or +rech.

You are validating my point for me that popularity isn't based on how good a power is at achieving its function. RoP isn’t unpopular because it was never overtuned; it’s merely unpopular because there’s no defense or recharge bonuses to be found in the whole pool.

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This is plainly hyperbole since “only X are actually picked” is immediately falsifiable by a single glance at all the builds picking those powers. Stop. Using. This. Fallacy. There is not one pool in this game I have never picked, so the argument is utterly meaningless to me.

That’s a plenty fair opinion. Just getting ahead of where I think the demands for usage data are headed. You may not be making that argument but others are certainly hinting at it at the least.

Sure, but my point is that those powers are only considered high performing because they contain the two most popular bonuses in the game. It doesn’t really matter, for instance, how good Medicine is at healing, because the playerbase is too addicted to defense and recharge to notice. Just explaining how RoP could be simultaneously powerful and not super popular.

I just want to say that I overall reject the argument that a power is underpowered if it is not taken as often as Hasten/CJ/Weave/Maneuvers because I think that’s a spurious correlation that has more to do with players in this game deciding that +def and +recharge are the most valuable metrics than it has to do with the other options necessarily being bad at what they do.

It seems a bit silly to imply the devs should’ve put a glass case and caution tape around the RoP patch note just because a dozen forum users haven’t internalized that their feedback doesn’t equate to law.

Am not positive feedback and demands for explanations/data are the same thing.

Appreciate the detailed explanations from Jimmy. I don’t really think that the origin pools are lackluster overall tbh.

Change to res when used as a break free is a nice big buff. Was indifferent to duration change at first and now wholly support it after watching pages of arguments play out.

A couple of emails is not a burden at all relative to the alternative of changing fundamental code, so I’d tweak “vast majority” to “entirety” 😉

Yes vote to huge female if they think it’s worth the likely large time commitment. No to sharing 100% of costume parts between all models.

I’m not sure if there’s much of a real reason that it would be hugely overpowered for controller pets to recharge in 1-2 minutes instead of 4. I would prefer that approach as it would let you use singy as a location AoE to achieve this effect without messing up any of the other powers.

You can literally cover multiple purpled-to-the-teeth characters within one pile of 2 bil. There is no way that cap is unreasonable in the current market.

Hard no on adding an absorb or making invuln tougher at all. Just cannot fathom how invuln could need a buff.

Singy change sounds fun. Makes me want a new Grav toon. Without testing it, it seems that the only issue would be that it will become preferable to summon Singy in the middle of a mob, begging the question: could we reduce the recharge on T9 controller pets just a hair? I wouldn’t mind enhancing it for recharge if the change is good enough though. Absolute hard no on getting rid of Dimension Shift. Too many players like it as is.

I don’t know what it would do to the community. A handful of powergamers would quit for sure. It’d be a risky move no doubt. I only posted what I did because the “wouldn’t be the apocalypse” viewpoint did not seem to be represented yet in the other responses, not because I thought the proposal was without any risk.