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Yeah? Just because a few individuals are tired of seeing something in a chat box is not a reason for making everyone conform to thier narrow view of how things 'should be'. Hall Monitors. It's not even some kind of derogatory hate speech either, it's people just playing the damn game. This is literally screaming 'get off my lawn' at them... ...and, we disagree that there are players that want to quarantine everyone into little boxes. :)

OK, if it's just 'silly' why do you want them quarantined to their own chat channel?

Chat on Live, IME, was no different. There were people on Live making the same tired complaints - "make those people I don't want to listen to stop talking"... We saw complaints about powerleveling, DFB, AE Farming, etc. 'chat spamming' throughout the history of the game on Live. Now it seems like the crowd got older and crankier and just hates the fact they cannot keep up with every IM like it's a job/obligation/imperitive or something, or that other players have the audacity to be chatting about things they don't care about or something... Enough so that some propose to 'fix' something that is not broken... Do the people that want these kinds of changes really think they can change human nature through code in a video game? Really?

So? It bothers you enough to mention it here, how does it actually impact your gameplay though? Are you just unable to see anything that does not fit into your narrative as anything other than 'wrong'? Why do you think you need to 'correct' these players or that they are doing something 'bad'? Your wish to make it change has to be rooted in something...why do you think it's on you or anyone to make these players change?

I think Parasites would be pretty close. "Players that enjoy the game and feed thier dopamine off of it, that don't really contribute much." We all live in our own delusions, this describes mine fairly well where game communities are concerned.

I think of myself as a 'opinionated, loud-mouthed, lazy selfish gamer, interested in Fun over rules/conformity', I don't think Sloth encompasses the selfish part, only the lazy part...

This is why I have no desire to ever do progressive raiding, so boring form my PoV, trying to make several people dance together and play the symphony without missing any notes...just tedious. Far more like Work than Fun to me.

People find humor in many things. I do not find humor in the denigration of people trying to add things to the game, to get the game running again, even if thier efforts are not finished or perfect. There is simply no humor in that for me. This need to pick apart the work of others, IMO, is _not_ coming from a place of humor most of the time, either, it's bitter gamers mad that CoX does not work the way they think it shuold work. Am I touchy about it today? Look at my post history - Yes I Am. We may not agree on that outlook, and I am OK with that. :)

I find it equally 'hilarious' people bash and nit-pick over these things added by fellow-player-volunteers. The level pedantic brain chemistry involved is just 'hilarious', isn't it?

This is what shines in CoX for me, as compaered to WoW and ESO in particular - I end up spamming a small set of powers. Even in CoX, the AT combos that end up really just spamming a few attacks of the same variety over and over makes me put down that character. CoX though, lets me create characters that have many kinds of powers that can be used in different situations or as I prefer. My 'main' right now is an Elec/Elec Dominator - I have controls, range attacks, melee attack and interesting ways to chain them.

It does seem like some sort of bizarro reverse-elitism elitism, doesn't it. I didn't mean it that way. It is a relative term, a sort of experience of observing the playstyle and content choices. I'm sure there are colorful metaphors for relative slowbiew like myself (though I'm on superspeed compared to how my wife plays the game). We locusts are too busy getting mission completes to worry about calling other people names. I think I brought in the Locust term. While to many, these terms and words carry a heavy emotional element and some people take things personally, I also do not mean the term in a negative fashion. Some gamers tear through games and move to the next in a weekend, they want constant new input. These are not the same people that rush to 50 per-se, they just run in that crowd a lot of times, because they often like to go very fast. The content locusts move form game to game like a cloud. It is not about good or bad, right or wrong, it is simply a term to refer to those that love to consume content and move on rapidly. When games are 'new', they are far more prevelent and IMO skew the 'numbers' of people playing games and the poweleveling ratios. The point? Nothing short of constant development will keep the content locusts from moving on, so attempts to slow them down on the road to 50, IMO, are wasted kung-fu.

Why do people keep trying to separate the players into little boxes of 'us' and 'them'? We going to start regulating how people use chat and force them through a tutorial on 'how to play the game the correct way and not tick off the old fuddie-duddies' next? Some of the posters here literally sound like my late mother who got mad because CNN had added the data streams and she could not keep up with the talking head at the same time. Ignore the data you don't need, don't try to make the game change to your personal playgroud, enjoy it for what it is - is how I play.

Humans just love to feed their own FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). I try not to let my 'nervous passenger' rule the roost, it's hard sometimes. Not all of us care to alter the trajectories of those around us, but prefer instead for them to make their own choices. Some of us are _really_ not social and have no desire to talk to people. As other have said, nothing is certain, and to add to that, IMO/IME, playing with fear is no fun, except when that Diablo sound gets me at night. There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

The really fascinating part is that for some people and thier brain chemistry, it's _not_ allowed...

Hami has been taken out on a couple HC servers. There is no 'magic' at 50 as compared to 1-49, it is the same game. Is this just a case of wondering if the grass is greener because some people say they like white-washing fences?

TBH, the bigger question for me is, "Why rush to question the way other people play the game?" Really. The OP suggests they think they are 'missing something', but IMO this is still just a 'jab' at 'players not playing the way I do'...

Different strokes. Some are regaining what they feel they 'lost'. Others just like to make cool builds that need to be 50 to finish. PvP players just power through the PvE to get to the part they like. Some people have done the leveling content enough it's boring to them. The list goes on and on, there is no one reason other than different people enjoy different things.

These things are tools. Why gamers choose to use these tools to lord over others and beat them down rather than using them to learn and teach in a positive manner is why I am a mostly solo gamer. So much angst and downright hate evoked over these things in the gamer community has always bothered me. In the game stores back in the day, it was easy to avoid the toxic stores/cliches. My buddies and I had fun calling them out on thier BS, TBH, and many a gamer (and store owner) thanked us for it. I prefer to have fun first and mix-max second and always try to foster that. Our human societies have this idea of punishment and beratement as a form of teaching through shame and I find it abhorrent. It really makes me sad that so many gamers allow thier competitive nature to override their human empathy.

A lot of people getting very deep in to the mechanics of why someone might say No Warshades and why they're wrong, but honestly I think Vanden is right. I think it's just becoming an in-game meme. Could be, but sadly, people still think The Onion is real news, so....

IME, the people that want to use it, use it. The only _trouble_, IME, is that some _other_ players don't _like_ that. There are plenty of players like the OP suggests, IME/IMO. These players are simply not 'loud' like the extroverts that want full-steam teams 24x7. If you look around, all the playstyles are here, just like on Live...and just like on Live, many of the 'loud' playstyles are content-locusts. Changing gamers is tilting at windmills.

Some people think the DPS Meter and the Inf-Loot/per second have to be 'perfect'. Some people just cannot abide another player doing things a different way. People are people, so I avoid them in-game like I do in RL. There are plenty of players that have no idea how the game works and plenty that do, but, IMO, many forgot about having fun and turned Play into a Job. It is totally fascinating to me how some people have to control everything around them, even in a video game.

IMO, the content locusts do what they do, just like in nature, nothing stops them, they burn themsleves out, it's thier own issue, not something to be fixed. Right now, those who like to get to max level fast and the returning players wanting to regain what they feel they lost are dove-tailing together to make the game even more of a power-level fest than it was on Live. I agree with the outlook the players that don't want to rush things and are here to just enjoy the game are already doing that. It's been very easy for me...I simply don't join teams, I solo most of the time or duo with a friend. From my PoV, it's the extroverts that just 'need' to be with other people and 'make friends online' that are 'pushing' for the full teams and x8/+4. The rest of us are playing the game the way we always did - quietly, with friends, with most all of the chat channels silient, going through the content we like.

I play almost exclusively solo because for the most part, 'people'. I have 2 friends on my list, where my buddy that plays has almost 30. Really, with a few exceptions to run a couple DFBs to get a few earlt levels, and not on all characters. I have done it with pretty much every AT to 50 on Live, lots of powersets. Some are 'better' at soloing, for sure, just pick 'selfish' powers for the easier ride. Because of the ease with which great enhancements can be slotted now, IMO, it is even easier to solo the game now. With things like temp powers and smart play, you can take out big bisses solo as well. I never need to be forced into teams to gain Incarnate abilities, which rocks. Once tricked-out, you can solo most task forces. So yeah, from my point of view, this game rocks playing solo!

If we want new stuff, we have to make it. The ball is in all of our hands. If someone makes new things that work, the server runners that like those things can add them, the HC team has shown they will do that already. So the real answer is, 'when we create something new'. Not the royal 'we', the real 'we' as in all of us, the people that love the game. There is no single entity controlling the addition of new things now.

Don't let a few sour control freaks spoil your fun. Mothership Raids are lots of good fun. Some people simply cannot abide people playing games 'the wrong way'.