ZacKing

Great information. Thank you as always!

Hello Kalikamata. I'm glad you found this thread and took the time to post here. I hope you can see that there's been a lot of confusion about this. I'm hoping that perhaps this thread will help clear up any of that confusion for others. It's here now and people with questions can be directed to it where we have some more definitive information from the source, not just hyperbole and hearsay. The Kronos itself causing a problem for you does sound like a driver or hardware issue. I'm not sure how you could go about diagnosing that and possibly fixing it, but I'm happy to help in some way if I am able. Sorry to hear you get vitriol from players. I know you put a lot into herding cats every week. I hope you know there are those of us who appreciate it, so thank you.

You're quoting me extending a thank you and appreciation to the organizer of the event. How you arrived at that being a bad thing or some kind of insult is beyond me. Might want to check your entitlement and read the whole discussion. And before you start repeating yourself, I don't have any problem following instructions either as it's not me who is bringing the Kronos Titans. I understand that you feel your friend is being attacked somehow (they aren't) and have the need to jump in and white knight for them. Again, read the entire discussion. There is a lot of confusion for a lot of people over this subject and the purpose of the thread is to provide clarification and insight. I'll answer your question with a question for you - what gives you and your event the right to disrupt and lag out an entire zone for an hour (or more) every week when there are people there not interested in or participating in the SNS? Maybe they aren't important to you, but your event is disruptive to players who are in Skyway doing missions or street sweeping or whatever due to the lag this event causes. Or is that ok and respect for the fellow players only go one way here? @Excraft brought up a good point - Fusion Force (and others) have brought Titans to the mix before and there was never any argument over it. In fact, they were thanked for it.

I don't disagree at all. The whole thing is just silly and it's a shame it's leading to such bad behavior from some.

I didn't suggest you were. Apologies if that's what you're thinking. It certainly wasn't the intent. Regardless, thank you so much for your replies and for helping to shed some light on the topic. It's greatly appreciated, so thank you.

The question of whether or not the Kronos causes Babbages to run does come up. Were that true, Babbages wouldn't be running off and scattering when there's no Kronos Titan at all. We've all seen Babbages running off and see the calls in broadcast for "runners" going in all directions each week. This happens whether there's a Kronos there or not, and anyone who says otherwise is being dishonest. So that claim is debunked if you ask me based on repeatably demonstrated evidence we've all seen many times. Same as with the lag, the supposed evidence for the claim that the Kronos causes Babbages to scatter is no more than heresay that amounts to "my friend told me they heard from someone who remembers hearing from someone who heard it from a Dev" or something like that. There's never any hard proof of it, and again, Babbages wander whether there's a Kronos or not. Whether the Kronos causing Babbbage to run is maybe something @Number Six or @GM_GooglyMoogly can shed some light on. That I can understand and empathize with, however we can't control what others do. I'd also add that people bringing a Kronos Titan from time to time aren't breaking any game rules. They're not doing anything different than the people participating in the SNS are. I could be wrong, so take this for what its worth, but maybe this feeling you're talking about is in part due to a sense of entitlement surrounding the event along the lines of what @tidge had mentioned. People need to understand that they don't own the game or the server, so they're going to have to deal with others. I also think its wrong to assume others are bringing Kronos Titans to the mix to "stir up trouble". With that said, there was one person there last week definitely trying to stir up trouble. They were upset that they couldn't fill a Synapse TF and had blamed the SNS league for that, even going to the extreme and using extremely foul and offensive and abusive language in broadcast. I'm sure whoever that was got reported into oblivion lol.

If you're referring to the new Royal Flush TFO, I very seriously doubt you're flying to each area, turning on the AFK console and wiping everything out before others even get to the objective. There's no question the Jellyfish led to a huge increase in AFKing in TFOs. Sounds like that's what some are looking to do with FS here.

Not that I'm suggesting anyone here is doing this, but this seems like a great way for someone to set up a bot and just AFK farm all day. Stand in one spot, click the macro, AoE everything that exits.

Thank you for posting this. Yes, quite a few people share this slash command each week and I believe it does help somewhat.

Might want to read the entire thread. 😉

Yes, I understand that. If you read the rest of my posts here, you'll note that I never suspected a single Kronos is causing of all the lag issues and problems during a player run event. There are some who seem to believe a single Kronos GM causes all the lag along with a whole host of other issues, which led to some very rude behavior by some people. Perhaps take a second read through the thread again. You're not saying anything we didn't already know and has been graciously confirmed.

@Number Six and @GM_GooglyMoogly thank you both very much for your replies and for clarification. I appreciate it and thank you as this will (hopefully) help clear up any further confusion on the topic. As I understand it based on what people have been saying in broadcast during the event, the slowdown and slideshow effect and powers not recharging are what most are experiencing. The question is always over what's causing it and there seems to be a few people who think that it's the Kronos causing all of the lag. For me, I get the lag and slow recharging powers whether there's a Kronos there or not. It's safe to say based on @Number Six posted here is that it isn't the Kronos alone causing all of the problem, it's the combination of everyone and everything. I don't know any of the people who organize this personally so I can't say for sure. I will say after last week where it was exceptionally bad, I think you're right in that there's a lot of entitlement surrounding the event. That's sad because this is a fun event. Totally agree. Every so often if you check the info for some of the players on their tanks trying to corral Babbages, you'll see they don't even have Taunt, and a few that do I would bet they don't even have it slotted. Most seem to be relying on taunt auras or punchvoke. That's not always going to cut it. Again, big thank you to @Number Six and @GM_GooglyMoogly for taking the time to respond. It's much appreciated!

Haha! Good one! I edited the post title for clarity there. All joking aside, would you be kind enough to ask one of the HC folk about this? Would be great to have an answer. Thank you!

It means that player completed whatever the badge required on that character, whether through their own skill/work or being carried by others. That's it.

You mean kind of like your demonizing me for having a different opinion? Like I said, you do you and play how you like.

Hoping someone from HC can chime in on this or maybe one of the GMs can ask around and post a definitive answer here. There seems to be a lot of confusion every week during the weekly Saturday Night Synapse league over on Torchbearer where arguments start over whether or not people bringing a Kronos Titan is a good or bad thing. Some people seem to think a solitary Kronos Titan "causes significant lag" and/or causes the Babbages to scatter and run off from the main pile where they're being herded to in Skyway. Others think its fun to bring them into the mix as its a fun to fight different GMs at the same time and a quick way to grab the Master of Olympus badge. Plus its more merits and monstrous aethers for everyone to enjoy. So can anyone from the HC team confirm whether or not the Kronos (or GMs in general) is or is not a "cause" of lag? Or is the lag which some experience more due to the 20+ Babbages herded together in one spot spawning Sprockets with at least 3 or 4 full leagues of players on the map firing off every power they have including Incarnate pets/shields/AoEs in a confined area? Are there GMs that are more or less "problematic"? I can't speak for everyone, however for me personally, I can get quite a lot of lag whether there's a Kronos or not. There have been times where teams have coordinated at least 20 Kronos Titan spawns on the hill in Talos and there wasn't any significant lag. I've also seen Babbages run off from the main pile regularly when there's not a Kronos Titan in sight. From what I can tell, they run off when there aren't enough taunters in the main pile or MM pets in the periphery of the pile start pulling aggro, or the random player just wanting to tag a Babbage for fun pulls it off the pile. I admit I don't know for sure if the Kronos is indeed a factor or not, so I wanted to ask in the hopes of preventing any future confusion and argument. Lastly, I'd like to give a huge shout out and big thank you to @Kalikamatafor graciously hosting this very fun event every week. Your efforts don't go unnoticed and are appreciated by a whole lot of us. Thank you.

I agree with most of what you said here with the exception of the highlighted part. I honestly don't see the need to have everyone stand around having stuff teleported to them to nuke it. I personally don't think that's fun at all, but if you do then more power to you. Play how you like. Just seems like a very lazy way to play where people can't even be arsed to press some keys to move around. It reminds me of the whole Jellyfish ship debate over in STO. Ever since Cryptic released that ship, AFKing in TFOs skyrocketed because people use that ship to just park and go AFK with the ship console doing the bare minimum damage to avoid the auto AFK penalty. It's a lazy way to play if you ask me and I don't get the enjoyment of doing that, but that's just opinion. Again, play how you like.

Correct. As several people already mentioned here, communication is key. When/where/how to best utilize the strengths and abilities and skill of the team is found through communication. If one person is doing something that impacts another, talk to each other and find a compromise. I think that's the gist of this thread, at least to me.

It's not hard to pinpoint at all. People interested in badging will chase them. Those who aren't interested in badges won't. Again, badge count really doesn't mean anything. You're admitting as much in your own post. You're arguing that looking at badges is an indicator of something by saying that badge count doesn't mean anything. Something doesn't add it up there. How you define "invested" is going to be different than me or the next person. I have alt characters that I've purpose built to use for various level TFs. I'll run them a couple of times a week, but will spend the bulk of my time on "main" characters. I definitely don't have anywhere near the same amount of badges on them that I do on main characters. That doesn't mean I'm neglecting those alts and I'm not invested in them. Far from it. I've invested quite a bit of time and resources into purpose building them. No maybes about it. It's rude to prejudge people based on a badge count. If you're concerned about "bad" players wasting your time, then toss the good players you run into a friend request and team up with them. Socialize and make friends. Problem solved. You're not forced into PUGing anything at all. I've read enough posts here over the years and run into enough elitists in game that I understand perfectly why quite a lot of people who think anyone who doesn't level the "correct/right/traditional" way are cynical of others who don't play the way they they believe is proper. Thank you for adding this part. It's a clear example that shows badge count doesn't mean anything and like others have said, there are "vets" out there with loads of badges that don't know what they're doing.

Well yeah, that's true. It's also a dopamine hit to be on a melee character fighting a large mob. When someone uses Fold Space to pull them away from you, that's where the fun gets taken away.

Badge count doesn't mean much, if anything at all. I know sometimes I like to get into the 40s first before I start running all the TFs for the accolade, so it's entirely possible to be higher level with no TF badges. I also don't actively get explore badges on every character either. Absolutely true.

Haha. I guess we're not getting any younger!

Please don't take this the wrong way as it isn't directed at you personally, but has the game and player base gotten to the point where we can't be arsed to even move anymore? Mobs have to be teleported to us and insta-nuke them in 1 hit? I just can't see the enjoyment there.

Could be. If that's the case and depending on the team, the team leader should speak up and say something if the person lone-wolfing it is adversely impacting the rest of the team. You're basically making my point here. At higher levels some people breaking off on their own are doing it because the content isn't challenging enough for a full group of 8. Mobs are getting insta-vaped by the group, so there's no meat left on the bone. ^ This exactly.

So your answer to being "trolled" is to be a troll yourself based on your own definition... Again, what's any of this got to do with The Thunderbolts*?