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Feelings make you say empathy is better than kin nature elec. Logic is knowing it's not. I don't expect logic on the forums though. Comparing base numbers even show that Dark and Kin are better. Can they miss? Sure. Will they in any situation where it's needed like HM? No. But hey because they can miss once in every 100 cast yeah emp is better I guess. You emp lovers will literally outdo Olympic level gymnast with the level of contorting you do to lie about empathy being good.

Because they do? There have been a good chunk over the years who go "I don't know why people play solo" or act intentionally obtuse over people not wanting to team.

Im pretty much done making alts. But when i was in a craze, i would just PL. At this point, I’ve done the traditional leveling experience enough times to know i never want to do it again. My issue hasn’t been AE babies, as others have put here, it’s been that the CoH player base seems to largely be illiterate and lazy, so leading content that requires a first grade reading level has been difficult, like HM. That’s indifferent to whether you got PL’ed to 50 or played naturally. The game never encourages you to read. Or rather, it seems nobody ever does because people lack the ability to read and follow simple instructions, no matter the content.

Welcome! As others have said. Excelsior is a top pop server unless you want RP, then you're looking for Everlasting. Also, for builds and up to date correct information not marred in opinions or anecdotal evidence, use the discord. There is a LOT(mostly) misinformation when it comes to build advice on the forums, as testing here is off. Heart's are in a good place I assume, just not very accurate and pretty outdated info on meta building.

FAFO

I imagine the people playing this set will have the idiotic audacity to join regular teams and feel they shouldn’t be kicked. I say add the set. You all are trying to subscribe to the FAFO method, and I’m happy to oblige.

I would agree with this mostly. The people who keep crying about “muh challung!!1” either quit 4* when the going gets a little rough or haven’t even touched HM 4. While that’s not super challenging content, for CoH it’s the hardest content in the game. So there’s your challenge in relation to CoH at least. So it leads me to believe that no, people don’t want to play challenging content in CoH. The one’s crying want a facsimile of challenge to thump their chest at while overcoming no real adversity or chance of failure. I’ve seen this personally. The second a 4* stalls for any reason for any amount of time, there was always one then multiple on my runs dipping. This was when 4* was new. It’s probably worse now if a 4* run encounters a hiccup. People seem to want “challenge” that doesn’t noticeably impact clear speed or even present a chance of failure here. Which is insulting to the concept of what a challenge actually is, but whatever, it’s their rodeo 🤷🏾‍♂️

The good thing about CoH is that there are no walls to accessibility, and no real difficulty stops that’ll force you to adapt your build. That said, pretty much any build, even some of the worst sets in game, can clear +4x8 casually. And even can do HM 4. If you want to optimize your builds later, get advice from the discord. The best builders in the game are there, and also look into the rule of 5 and proc bombing if or whenever you get comfy with enhancements.

I retract my retraction, this dude is a worse Diantane. I tried talking sense to ‘em, tried getting him to understand that this game will never be uber challenging, but no dice. PSA for those who are reading this: If someone comes to you in CoH asking for what OP ask for, assume they’re blowing smoke up your ass. 100% of the time, they don’t want this mode, not really. They just want to complain about how easy the easiest MMO ever is(by design) while refusing to play actually challenging games. They want to thump their chest mostly about allegedly being good at this relaxed and intentionally easy game by suggesting some outlandish mode that is the unfun version of difficult, basically irritating and overly punishing and imbalanced towards certain ATs while not actually being any harder legitimately than base game.

Great hyperbole. People who DO play challenging games also understand the niche they serve and that they’re not all the same, also that not every game needs to have a super hard mode. Some games really are just chill and laid back. What you’re suggesting is akin to putting a Nine Sols mode into Stardew Valley. It doesn’t make sense, isn’t necessary given what’s available in their version of challenging content, and honestly wouldn’t even be utilized by 99.9% of the playerbase, so, as much as I hate siding with the folks who spam this phrase for everything, it would be a legit waste of resources

That’s what I’m saying. You SAY you want extreme hardcore “challenge” and then if or when that occurs, you pull an Shadow of the Erdtree, complain about it being unfair, then review bomb the content. Except CoH’s review bomb equivalent is…I dunno actually. Yelling at the devs?

I’ve clarified my stance many times as never having been that but ehhh reading comprehension in 2025 isn’t a thing so I’m not surprised he missed it. Arcane, start slow, start with the Junie. B Jones series and work your way up from there. Hell we all have to start somewhere

Im trying to help you here. Okay let me be a bit more clear, take a look at Hard Mode in game. That’s about as hard as you’ll get CoH. The devs, who I talk to in closed beta, even said back when it came out that basically that was peak of what they’d be comfortable with adding in terms of difficulty. So, knowing that, It’s not a matter of what I want, it’s a matter of what is the hard line they’ve drawn in the sand in regards to the matter. (I don’t want your idea of difficulty because as someone who ACTUALLY plays challenging games instead of just talking about wanting challenge, I can see the glaring holes in your suggestion that literally negate all challenge that I don’t think you’ve considered. One I mentioned already.) I’m trying to give you suggestions for actually challenging games you could play to satiate that itch, but hey to each their own

You really should just go play an actually difficult game to satisfy that itch. CoH won’t ever get a mode that meets what you’re trying to get at. When I want a challenging game, I play Black Myth, Lies of P, Wuchang(when it comes out), Nine Sols, etc. hell I’m playing immortal feynx rising currently and the combat’s no cake walk despite looking simple, and the puzzles are definitely a fun brain teaser. Point being you’ll be fulfilled, assuming you ACTUALLY want challenge and aren’t just putting out bravado like most who want this type of thing do, in other actually more challenging games. And then you can take a break and relax in CoH. Think of it like a vacation in gaming. This isn’t me trying to be an ass, it’s just me pointing out you’re trying to fit a square peg in a circle hole. It’s not gonna work

My bad, it was a poorly done joke. I don’t want to be like the usual gatekeepers here on this forum so my apologies there. But the rest of my response kind of gives the “why” even if it’s a voluntary mode that this won’t necessarily yield the results you’re looking for. I myself have made mechanics driven suggestions only to come to realize this game does not have a very uhm…mechanically inclined playerbase, to try and put it nicely? You gotta know your audience. This audience likes easy street, which I do not hold against them! A lot don’t even like the bare minimum mechanics in HM as is. This is a way rougher version of that. *PoE2 is path of exile 2. A wanna be soulslike seasonal ARPG

So YOU’re the new Diantane(or however his name was spelled). This should be fun. Addressing the suggestion, you’re trying to turn CoH into PoE2. I assume that’s where you’re getting these ideas from. It won’t work and is bad from the onset. It, as others have said, unfairly punishes leveling squish ATs thus forcing team comps that are basically like HM; 7 corrs and a tank. This would make the game boring af just like bland ass HM. Also it goes against the core of CoH, which I admit is a bad core thanks to it incentivizing dunning Kruger effect(look in game and on these forums to see what that is) , but it’s still the core; a laid back turn your brain off power fantasy training wheels MMO that eases you into playing other more advanced MMOs by giving you the basics of what MMOs are. Or at least that’s one interpretation of it.

I’m going to be honest, unless you’re a community leader of content, I feel there’s no need to announce your departure. Best thing to do is walk away, and if or when you come back, it’ll be like nothing changed at all.

There has never been, and never will be any instance in CoH history where a heavy KB user has been helpful to the team over say a solid troller or debuffer. Death is the best CC, followed by solid KD and or stuns and debuffing them until the already wet noodle is nothing more than a flea. KB does nothing useful in practice

EDIT: I’ll be damned if I get another demerit. I stand by what I said but I’m in CB and I can’t have that being compromised because someone got butt hurt and reported me. Honestly, the moderation is getting seriously out of hand in the wrong direction to the point where I’m thinking this whole thing needs to shut down like in 2012 for the good of the game itself, ironically.

You can’t tell these people that CoH’s gameplay loop is D-tier at best effectively, by the 4th 50 onward(I look past it because of the end result being a new neat powerset) and expect a positive response to your comment. I still disagree with your suggestion. Ignoring the imo subpar leveling experience, it can take roughly 5 painful hours to farm to 50. It sucks, horribly, but it is still 5 hours vs a week organically. Not that bad in comparison. I haven’t made an alt in roughly 6+ months, but when I wanted to test a new powerset this was what I did. Saved hours in the longrun

that’s a fair interpretation of the message. My pessimistic view of this certain situation makes me doubt that’s the case, only because in the past I HAVE seen how this community reacted to other servers’ costumes and additions, usually from the viewpoint of HC staunch defenders. Lots of them will trash the other server because of personal beefs or laugh at their additions and point out their jank, yet we sit here still with age old bugs and some glaring new ones with some page drops. Hell one of the pages had a litany of noticeable bugs slip into live release recently! It’s not an always type of thing, but it’s one of those “semi glass house throwing stones” type of deals. It’s a 20 yr old MMO. Some costumes may not even be possible on these antiquated models WITHOUT some jank 🙂

Well articulated response. Glacial will do one of two things now as is customary to the CoH forums: 1.) Not read. Self explanatory yet they’ll give a snarky or wildly misinformed response. 2.) Continue to die on the hill that is kissing HC’s butts and thinking they do no wrong. You see, kids? This is the danger of only playing one game, and specifically one version/one server of said game. You become blind to literally everything around you and become sycophantic in nature to that one game. But being serious, it is very rude to call every other dev out there “jank” HC has plenty of jank to it, a lot if you really go looking. They are NO better, and in a few cases they are exponentially worse, than other servers. *Before I get another demerit, this is not a slight towards Glacial or the forums, this is just my take on the nature of online forums and getting attached to one game, what it does to criticism and what not.

Delete Energy Blast* No way to troll if the set doesn’t exist 😎

Surprisingly, low levels does a serviceable job in teaching you what common sense and a 1st grade reading level could with CoH. Im not joking. It doesn’t teach you the important things like the rule of 5(you may not know about this, it’s a relatively not talked about topic) jousting, the literal bare minimum amount of MMO tactics like positioning(for the few instances it pops up). So in reality, you COULD PL to 50 and play better than someone who leveled organically if you have any gaming experience and some common sense and reading ability. I have 25 50s organically and 25 from pre shutdown, plus 78 50s from farming. The low levels need to keep being revamped. Some of the newer stuff is really good! So keeping that momentum would be great and expanding to the 30’s would be ideal.

This is more or less what I was going for. I love soulslikes, and most of my 2024 was spent beating a few that were very memorable with boss designs and fights. I’m not asking CoH to be that as I fully understand that’s not the scope of the game. What I’m asking for is, if you’re going to make a boss or let’s say challenge mode, why not make it have mechanical depth instead of stat boost? Farthest mechanics I could go with, given the nature and skillset of this playerbase, is Omega K’Ong. Surface wise it’s not that involved. It’s literally move between 4 corners and dps some adds while keeping an eye on another AV/keeping it taunted. Not terrible on the surface compared to other games, but for CoH’s playerbase, a lot would tell you it’s very challenging. Some would even say the most challenging content yet. That’s as far as I would take it on the EXTREME end. Lot of other modifications would be vastly less involved.