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I REALLY wish more people in this community understood this last part. I also 100% agree. Just because another server did it doesnt mean you cant do your own take. I get there can be some legal snafu, but on what grounds would they even sue? They’re also, at that time, operating an illegal server. And the whole “giving them ammunition to have the server taken down” Oh, because it being illegal wasn’t enough? Lmao. At this point, with my jaded hermit hat on, I think its ego based. This will naturally rub a lot of people the wrong way but thats my .02

When the game relaunched I tried getting buddies into it, they took one look, said nope and I never pushed em to try it again. I personally now would never try and get someone to try CoH who never tried it before, but if however someone was already familiar with CoH and played it in the past, I'd try as best as possible to give them an overview of the server, the current dev team and their patch history, and let them decide themselves.

Oh BTW the HC content devs are well aware the majority of players want chill and laid back content, and have no plans to, as far as im aware, make the game noticeably more difficult. They are adding HM content because there really wasnt any beforehand and it gives some kind of challenging endgame for those who want it within whats possible for CoH, but thats not going to be the entire game. Alls to say, rest assured CoH will remain casual, which again, I too enjoy.

Its not even hard games, a lot of people in this community don’t know about ANY games and legit just throw out Dark souls if any other mechanic or anything is brought up. Oh and WoW. But to address the other quotes, I said specifically I enjoy soulslikes yes. But what I also added was crash bandicoot as an example of a non soulslike game. Another I’m enjoying is Hollow Knight, another non soulslike. Crypt Custodian was another. To be perfectly clear: There are a litany of other games that are more difficult than Souls. Some soulslikes are, but ignoring them, there are platformers harder, turn based games that are harder(E33 is a perfect example), and there are lots easier but still more difficult than CoH. Like Hades, Balatro, [Redacted]… My main point was my gripe with people only using souls games like dark souls as a form of difficulty. Also just because I mentioned I liked soulslikes doesnt defeat any point. 😂

I always have to ask, do you all know there are difficult games that ARENT dark souls or do you all legit think those are the only difficult games? Thats my only gripe with these post. There are so many other challenging games, and souls games actually rank pretty mildly among them really. There are soulslikes and platformers harder than the entire souls series. I get examples n all but idk I just wish more were used, like the tried n true Crash Bandicoot 🤣 Admittedly, this stems from my own frustrations that every time I say BASIC MECHANICS should be added to certain fights in the game im met with the "Go play Dark Souls". It gets to be annoying and when those people would hit me with that my instinct says they don't play anything but CoH, because literally everyone else in modern gaming understands that there are plenty of games harder than the souls lineup. Hell, I'm playing one now that is and played a few months ago that were. They're very common actually. All that said I still appreciate how chill CoH is for the most part.

Whenever I did log in, it was usually for about 30 minutes give or take? Or maybe 45 if im people watching. It was too sporadic to say how often though, as sometimes it would be twice in a week, or recently 3+ months since my last log in. That was my stance a few months ago as of the new year at least for live servers. Now, I hop on the beta whenever a new page is put to Closed beta and test whatever new set or big thing is added, then don’t play for 6+ months other than to on a lark out of sheer boredom do a radio maybe, and log off.

Im gonna disagree slightly here. There is mastery in the form of IO usage sure, but there is no incentive or reward for it. So to me, there effectively is no mastery in the game. Whether you clear in 5 minutes or 30, you still get the same reward. There is also usually a CD period in the most valuable content(i.e iTrials and HM) where this mastery should shine the most. Also there is no depth to skill expression in this game on two fronts. Whether it's wacky builds in a team or minmaxed builds, in a team of 8, your individual skill expression is moot. Solo, I can say sure there's some there, but thats as simple as do you use insp or not as even with seriously wacky builds face tanking is the same as minmaxers with insp usage as they'll probably be hovering around the same level of defenses, that is to say, little to none. CoH is basically Stardew Valley that some people want everyone to take seriously(some argue for big boy difficulty which will never be a thing in this game as even the hardest content is miles behind modern games let alone modern MMO standards).

The thing I like about CoH HC is that I don't have to play it. Now that the raging at that sentence has simmered down 😛 let me seriously elaborate. I don't NEED to play it. In today's day and age of MMO, the goal is to keep subs at all cost. So we end up with chores in a video game, which lmao hell no. These days, as far as gaming is concerned, im almost solely on Xbox talking with friends and playing titles I missed alongside most new releases. Naturally this means months or probably going forward, years of not playing the additions to CoH. Yet, you'd never know because there isnt some limited time event(outside of seasonal stuff which Idrc anyway and/or already have) or Weekly you need to keep track of. This next one is going to appear cheeky of facetious to folks here but it's not. Thanks to the changes to powers, I have been taking advantage of gamepass and really expanding my skills in my favorite hobby; gaming! I have played more soulslikes and metroidvanias and turn based games than I ever played back in 2019-2023, all thanks to my personal disagreement with powers changes. Hell, I'd miss the game of a generation today(E33) if it weren't for the powers changes in these pages. Seriously, these changes have forced me to learn how to handle(even if it may not always appear as such on the forums/discord) things outside of my control in a much better manner, and how to find alternatives. It also keeps me excited for future pages, because it's a gamble of what new set may come and will it be enough to draw me back enough to add CoH into my entertainment schedule.

I have. They're terrible tbh. And I love salads! But yeah those are shit.

No they wouldnt they hate anchovies. Why cant you people understand someone just doesn't like something and wont play it? THEY. DONT. LIKE. ANCHOVIES. No matter how they're used, no matter where they are, they hate em. The simple response if you disagree instead of being stubborn as hell is to *gasp* accept they dont like it, and stop trying to force them to try something they dont like. I mean goddamn... Why is this hard to understand? *Not directed entirely at you Flea, just the overall mentality I see so often. Look, if you all disagree with the feedback thats fine, but please stop suggesting they try something they know for themselves they wont like. I dont like the plant changes. I acknowledge the set isnt complete trash and can clear +4×8 still. I still will be shelving my plant and never touching the set ever again. Trying to get me to play the set is suggesting I waste my time. Same with OP

And I've heard the cheerleaders misread and sycophantically defend this game for years because its the only one they play. Whoopdie doo. Its a never ending roundabout at this point. Even before the first real patches rolled in I felt the relaunch of CoH was a big mistake and the shutdown was the best thing to happen to CoH, and I loved what P. Studios was doing at the time AND what HC was doing. I buried the gut feeling but looking now I see my fears were well founded and now I make another prediction: This game will be noticeably worse than Champions Online by the end of whatever cycle it reaches. It wont shut down and there won't be any DOOOOM to come to it, but it...well the best way to describe it is the Pixies when they took over Fairy World in Fairly odd parents as a kid; a grey, drab sterilized game

Exactly this. In early CoV days it was 7 corrs and a brute. Honestly the meta didnt change almost at all despite these balance attempts because they dont actually target a root cause, just make up some fear mongering bullshit, go after a not even remotely OP set, get the easily fooled community to parrot stupid shit ad infinitum, then wash rinse repeat until the whole game is shit. This happened with champions and I called it would happen here. We'll see if I end up being right but lemme tell you all left here, you won't like what that looks like. You can see it now on Champs forums(which will also be not recieving any more updates as they pivot to only discord updates lmao). I mean, this really sucks though. Thought CoH would be in my rotation of games for as long as I'm alive and now I barely log in and really only test CB things thanks to changes like these. Yeah disgruntled players make posts, but think about how many more leave unannounced and how word of mouth affects the chances of a larger playerbase.

Homogenization is bad for the long term health of a game(eugh, hate sounding like a arm chair dev but alas). If EVERYTHING is the same, why tf would I make any more than 1 50? If im not(and im not) an RPer looks wont carry me enough to make a new toon. Especially if I know it's effectively the same as my first 50. Homogenization of enemies is even worse tbh. I'd get bored, and certain groups would be horrid for early levels and then become nothing burgers for the rest of the game. The natural sense of progression would be all out of order and just miserable

Why is PvP blamed? What the fuck do you people think this game has for a PvP pop? Can yall not understand this game is an insignificant fleck of an atom in the MMO landscape and has no PvP pop to speak of, let alone be loud enough to make demands. Nor would they advocate for Homogenization as that effectively solves PvP in the worst way possible by making it a boring grey blob? If anything, blame the HC powers devs. They have their own design goal and are stubborn as fuck and won't change even if faced with sound evidence to consider outside of small gives here and there. Or blame the players who refuse to learn how the game works and cry about this or that being OP when they just fucking suck. They whine enough and devs homogenize things to make them look less bad, except it fails because they STILL refuse to learn how the game works. Ending with the game being a boring grey glop instead of a varied and fun superhero MMO.

No dev at any point said otherwise but I guess when Dunning Kruger takes effect and misinformation is perpetuated due to sheer ineptitude over 20 something odd years you start to think like this. Unfortunate. Having eyes and teaming with actually GOOD kheld players disproved this theory even before changeling but moreso after.

If it were more tolerated this thread wouldnt exist

As alwsys, hit the nail on the head. Especially about the artificial diff of CoH. I told this to PH and they looked at me crazy but see playing other games and actually challenging games lets you understand this. If all you know is CoH ofc you're gonna think it's challenging.

I sometimes like to hop in from time to time and do a radio and faceroll mobs. But lately I’ve been finding I sometimes don’t even finish the radios because I just realize how repetitive the gameplay loop is and get sucked out of the game’s immersion. I used to lead HM 4’s and 3’s regularly for months, then the same thing happened. Realized how repetitive it was and the time it took to form good teams for them and just stopped. Then gamepass popped off and I played Lies of P and Another Crab’s Treasure/Sea of Stars, and my entertainment time is pretty much on Xbox. Plus friends would rather play games on Xbox than try out CoH so that really solidified my choice. It’s cool CoH is still here though. I’m probably not going to do any of the new arcs in P2 for awhile and im not making any new 50s, but it’s nice for those who are that the option is there. Still in CB so I’ll be testing P3 maybe(at least the new thing that I cant talk about) and giving my feedback, assuming I have time.

If you’re going to make proc bombs builds and thusly the best DPS in the game/meta builds, yes. Or dominators. Makes life so much easier on doms. And changeling khelds. anything else eh idgaf do what you want

Yeah you dont get to talk shit snark. Sit down immediately. To elaborate, you threw a tantrum because you got moderated wherein you created a whole thread and posts bitching and moaning before coming back, what, 2 months later? Lmao

I fully understand that and thats honestly pretty much what CoH is in a normal context; a healthy tool to deal with life situations, as are games in general. My only issue is when I see stuff like in this thread. I see so many just tearing at a person in the comments, being no better than CoH subreddit, and getting offended over a video game. That is never, and will never to a socially functional adult, be ok.

I think because a lot of people sadly have become overly attached to CoH Thats very sad, but it is the way it is. They, for whatever reason got too attached to the game and made CoH their whole personality, so when a criticism or hey, even a jab, is lobbied, its as if a jab was lobbied at THEM personally. Take a look at how people reacted with the initial shutdown. Yeah it was sad, but eventually if you were normal you moved on with your life and kind of just hoped it'd come back some day in your lifetime if possible, yet some...spiraled, if forum post are to be believed. Then it came back, huzzah! Again, if you were normal, you were happy and enjoyed the game. Maybe gave feedback, sometimes it's passionate. Hey, we've all been there. The abnornal behavior only really appears in situations like this, where because of an over attachment to CoH either out of fear of it disappearing or just sadly having nothing left, they turn feral to opinions and articles. People are dogging Elden Ring Nightreign and dogged First Beserker. You know what I do? Not care and keep playing. Thats what adults do.

I dont think that didnt happen, but I ascribe it not to the game being hard, just...lack of knowledge. And people being too proud to use insp. Yes you cant solo +4×8 on SOs(I don't think?) but you could do some pretty impressive(For SOs and back in the day standards) things with knowledge of how the game works. You started to see this as early as CoV's launch and also in MLTF(back when it was STF) via folks realizing what we know now: Support multiplier makes the game a joke. It's boring, but it's proof that just having knowledge shows this game's true side: a super easy turn your brain off MMO. Even solo, I have a Pyro/Ice/Fire that mows the new group, BWI, the supposedly toughest group in KW(which is supposed to be a bump up in diff from PI) with relative ease. Just using perma dom and insp. No defenses, no tank mage BS, just insp and procs. The only thing I can concede on is IOs did open a level of power for the players, and smart players did what smart players do and gamed it.

It was always this simple. To think CoH was challenging is simply not true. It was simply a lack of knowledge and resources. I know, I was a kid who was leading content in this game.(Started playing at 9, was leading iTrials by 13.) Now today we see it as being "easier" because builds are actually doable now instead of pie in the sky dreams. This game has always been pretty low stakes turn your brain off gameplay. It's an MMO. There never will be and are no challenging MMOs.

Lingering was never not back and still wont be more noticeable with this patch. Bosses will get blitzed regardless of lingering being present, and AVs were unaffected.