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Oh, if only that were a reasonable expectation...:-)

I'm thinking someone who is adamantly anti-farm/multibox/whatever-isn't-traditional doesn't see these things as merely using a hypermodern opening, but rather they see such things as analogous to adding pieces to the board prior to play, leading to a much easier checkmate (to the point, I suppose, that playing the entire game is moot). Like a player is breaking the rules to achieve victory or something. The notion seems to be that Coh's "board and pieces" are (or should be) fixed, so that, whether playing trad or 960, it's always the same basic composition. In this context, their argument would be, you're introducing elements that don't belong in the game. Get those extra Queens outta here! Thing is, though, since all that everyone does is doable within the confines of the game (its "rules and board"), and players themselves are simply using what's there, the argument doesn't apply. Further, whatever it is that constitutes checkmate is variable, as well. The engine does what it's designed to do. Players decide what challenges they want to face, at whatever level of difficulty (or ease) they want. The only thing everyone gets is the same passel of rewards, some of which some players never even bother to pursue (while other rewards, some players pursue with laser-like precision). What they're asking, as Ukase and others have pretty much stated, is to enforce one victory condition, independent of the freedom the game allows. My only response to this is careful what you wish for.

Have to agree with this. And it makes sense you should be able to solo (most) everything. Now, I'd prefer to run more things on teams, preferably at a moderate pace, with teams of friends. I even miss the travel from one point to the next. Mish pops up, and everyone heads out, using their various modes of transport (feels cool to see the flyers take off, the speedsters launch down the roadways, and the ground pounders running and leaping along their way). I like seeing the map reveal itself as I/we explore more and more parts of the city. But, as has already been noted, it's entertainment, and that's what entertains me. Not everybody else. I don't get the allure of just farming, or playing the market, or basically just gathering Inf. Then again, I don't have to. There's room enough for people who do get it to do that. So, to each their own. Which means I don't really see a debate here, since no one is going to change anyone's mind on what's subjectively fun for them. I kind of wish this entire thread would just go away, but I guess this type of discussion is also someone's version of fun. Just hoping we don't see some sort of weird turn that makes it to where I (and others like me) can't use AE to script SFMA arcs anymore.

Sure thing. You're still welcome for the invite to full access the base and all, though, if you want. Have a great run!

Jab? Looks like a strong right cross now.:-)

I am indeed in charge of the chaos that is The Long Riders. 🙂 I also was a part of the 2004 Reenactors, but not in charge. As far as SG stuff goes, it's harrrrrrrrrrrrd to get everyone together. My play time throughout the academic year here tends to be in the morning (Fridays). I try to maintain a semi-regular run on Thursday nights, but it doesn't always happen. That said, we're always looking for folks interested in the grind. We have a fairly well-apportioned base (that could stull use a dress-up from someone who likes that stuff, and is good at it [which means, not really me]). It does have the telepads you'd be wanting, bit of storage, crafting bench - all the basics. All the folks in the SG are great - when you run into them. Last event I attempted to organize was Karsis in The Hollows. We had a couple Riders and a couple other stalwarts from the Torch population. Game effort, but we tried to grind it, didn't finish it. Still have the contact, though, so I'm hoping we get another shot at that sucker. Anyhoo, you can hit me up in game for an invite if you want to give it a run. In the meantime, happy trails and H'YAH, MULE! H'YAH!

Well…I guess Crey is sorta A.I.M.

n wKeep the map, for sure. I am thinking someone with a better memory will find it quicker than I did. I sort of knew where it was but for some reason I just couldn’t find the dang thing. I mean it’s not like it moves. Shoot I didn’t catch that the big boss at the end was optional. I will pay more attention to it when I do my second run through. I suspect that will be this week, possibly Friday. The missing description on your custom critters might’ve just been from one of them. Some of them did have them. As far as theywayghey performed, I do know that if I didn’t manage to knock down or stay on one of them that if I drew the group I had to be very careful but I think that’s kind of the way you would want things to be with customs. Shows some surgery and just enough danger. Of course, this wasn’t an incarnate I ran. Anyway, no issues with the critters in general. I just happened to catch that one of them was the default description for minions. As for putting the title coloring red, that’s totally a stylistic decision. You always want to stick with your vision if you’re certain that it fits what you’re shooting for. As with any advice anyone gives you, unless it’s something to do with the mission having problems mechanically, then they’re all just suggestions and should obviously be treated as such. The big thing is that, when you play your arc, it doesn’t look like it was just hacked through. Because it’s very cleanly done, there’s some attention to detail, there’s a very consistent tone all the way through, and a distinct voice and the way you present your material. If this is a first effort I think you should be proud of what you’ve got so far. keep it up!

Stealth doesn't have to mean speed. In fact, it really shouldn't, as far as mishes go. That said, I think you're right in terms of, were such a thing put into the scripting engine, someone somewhere would come up with a way to turn it into shit (and then defend their actions as "part of the game").

Of course, going back to Vigilante means the populace has some issues with you: Hey! I had VERY compelling reasons for all that. Here...take my pamphlet...Vigilante-ism for dummies.

I'm thinking you're right about puzzles. Not that I'd ever even try to design one. Not in my wheelhouse. But rewards come from bashing, so, unless there's another way to reward not bashing, stealthing's only going to be the province of solo play and zippy TF's. You know, since you CAN drop in an over leveled/powered bad guy (I think), stealthing, then running like hell to get out might be interesting. That jibes with your Do not get seen objective.

Yeah...guerilla filmmaking, right?

Wouldn't it be nice to reward stealth?

Getting a start on dem tips. Never know who's gonna show up. In this case Blast Furnace. Thanks, bronnaise. Well, THU eve isn't the awesomest game time for everbody. I mean I have Fridays off, of course.:-) Anyway, the slow path is a rough path, and often a lonesome path. Which can lead you to go a bit, um...semi-crackers? As in: I'm sorry, drone-bro. For some reason you guys can't join SG's. Ain't my fault. Yeah...I'm interacting with a drone. I blame saddle rash. Evidently I was prescient, because, after all the Vig mishes, my morality mish has me freeing Furnace, and fighting my former "buddy" (with their +1):

Riders! I’ll be scouring the city for evil doers this evening. Probably be on around 1830 EST (USA). Tonight? Tips in the Row. It’s all gray area there ain’t it? That means Vig mishes! Hope you can join. H’YAH!

Short run through hero tips tonight with my good buddy Omega Fury! Er...Acrobattle is the little guy..ahem... A bit of Rikti non-lovin'. While he works, I break dance.:-)

Okay, Mish 2 took for-EV-er, bc I couldn't easily see the cave entrance. So I cleared the outside map, then rambled around. Customs were easy...when I stunned them with grenades and such. Got raked a few times, but no deaths. I liked how I got the next clue (G don't talk, yo). Customs were well made. Interesting costumes. It doesn't feel Nemesis-like, but the tone of the arc is pretty light, so...nice change of pace. M3 Formatting: One carriage return is sufficient. And I've got to face ******* (no spoilers)? Shiiiiiit...okay, we'll see if squishy is up to it. If not, it's a reload and finish another night. What the...? Why is M**** here? WHA? Both things are absolutely true, as in None and If you say so, bro.:-) (nice touch) This tells me you want to run L50-54, so if you can skew up that way with all mishes, I would. Variety of foes is interesting, bc the drop chutes space them out. Good spawns. So, anyway, I have a big brawl with the boss. Used Insps to make it interesting, then got canked. Bit out of my league, so will need a rerun with a 50+ I feel. So, reloading... Thus far: *Uses some classic maps. *Light tone. Could be a refreshing change of pace, or a put off, depending on player tastes. Always a gamble with tone, but you have to dance with whut brung ya, so...go with your natural style. *VERY clean. Didn't find a typo. *Some great jokes. *Was a challenge for my itty bitty blaster. I play pretty safe and, I think, smart (unless I'm running with friends, then I screw up and cause them all sorts of pain).:-) I don't know if this is a first effort or not, but it's very well done if it is. Obviously needs a minor polish. I'm going to drag an incarnate through it the 2nd time to actually finish it. Good bones! Well done. Crane

Shadowy form of Rick Sterling, a L27 blaster with no fancy IOs. Why? If he can handle it, the average toon will. He really believes in that statement, above, btw...:-) And we're off Captain Castillo! Nice choice. I mean, I hate the mf'er, but the last thing you want is "meh..." TEXT NOTE: I'd go with sky blue on your Arc title. Resembles in-game mish text. Not a big deal, though. Your arc. I like Castillo's text. Stays pretty true to his arrogance. I'm not sure he'd say bestest, however, without catching himself (Why, yes, 'bestest' IS the correct superlative...(ahem)). Nitpick, though. No typos! Put your mish title in colored text, preferably one that matches the color of the title. Title looks bolded and large, which is the perfect way to distinguish it. I like the euphemisms: Send them my regards, i.e., kick the living shit out of them.:-) Heh..funny joke on entry (dam puns) Nice touch here: Damn right I will...:-) By the way this was just AFTER she put me on my squishy blaster back. Nice dialogue clues to "G's" actual nature. Enjoyed the HAL ref.:-) Wrapped up pretty easily, thanks to my Taser (stun is so nice). Very clean and straightforward. Quick first mishes are nice. Gets me to dive right in. M2 Okay, so you gave directions in the Nav before I even entered. I'm assuming the map I'm on will tell me why. Tbh, I'd rather get the info once in mish, but let's see how this plays out. Oh...THAT map.. Okay I get it. But..I'd use Mission Entry Popup to give the player directions. Latest intel shows that G is located at... You're not currently using it for anything else. It will unclutter your Nav Mish Verbiage, and still push me where you want me to go. Give your customs some sort of write-up. Even if it's a supposition Ex: Well, this Nemesis experiment may explain the local beef shortage Okay I see the "DINO-SAW-ER!" has a write up. Humorous...? But also...weird...We'll see how this fits in, plot-wise. (continued)

Okey doke... So, work in progress. I'll try to give some decent feedback. Remember: where I offer an opinion, that's all it is. The wonky mechanical stuff, if any, is always job #1. Job #2 is making it clean textually. The other elements, like plotting, interesting NPCs and all that, well, reactions can vary. What I think is interesting others may disagree with entirely. So, with that in mind. Mish screen: Let's go through what I see when your arc pops up. *I'd label it [SFMA] in your desc., to set it apart from farms. It's not mandatory but, if you check the Dev's Choice screen, you'll see a host of story missions labeled thusly. Which means anyone who plays AE looking specifically for Story-Focused arcs is going to see yours on the list. *Mish title is a bit on the nose. Feel like an allusion works better. For this one, what immediately spring to mind is the old Don Henley dong Building the Perfect Beast. Your title is already a play on that, but I'd take Jump Bot out of it. It's just, like, right on the nose, which makes it less interesting, imo. Mission ranges are a bit variable. 1-54, 30 -54 and 50-54 (likely bc it features Nem and Longbow, who have different ranges). This tells me I really need to run one of my 50s. I'm assuming these variables occurred due to enemy selection. You can do this the way you please, but I feel like a consistent range all the way through is a better choice, if only because it emulates how actual mishes run in the game. I'd just bite the bullet and either stick with 1-54, or range it on the upper end. Consistency is important (again, imo). *Desc: Your description, which I'm assuming is also WIP, explains where the arc fits in. Goo call. However, it doesn't sell the story's essence. It doesn't hook me. When you get around to polishing, consider something like these: Anky gives you contact and place. Just seeing Croatoa clues me in on what I can expect. White Rabbit and title also work synergistically to encapsulate what I am offering. Short. Sweet. Effective. @Ankylosaur has a wide range of mishes, so you can get some hints by checking out his various awarded arcs (and there are lots). Setting given (Praetoria, so if I really dig goldside, I'm in). Contact name provided. A hint at surprises (unexpected allies). Context given: where this fits in with established lore, and number in the series (#3), in case I want to play them all. @Darmian does a ton of stuff that fills in "lore cracks," so his stuff is a great guide for what you're doing. He's also won several awards. This is mine. Not showing as a stellar example, but rather, to show an alternative way to present a series (name/# presented up front, so searching/grouping is easy). Inciting incident is provided (a murder), and "well known suspect" would hopefully spur the player to wonder Well, who could that be? Second sentence is pretty nebulous and basic, though, so that could be done better. I'd call this a rather common and basic intro, which means it's a decent example for minimal expectations. Notice all three refer to you, the player character. Sell my involvement. Make me feel like I'm in it before I've even decided to play it. Your arc ethos is villainous, so let that tone filter in there, if you can hack it. Otherwise, just make me interested in this arc that is meant to fit in with lore I'm familiar with, and takes me beyond what I know. Okay, now that I've gone on and on with that, on to the missions.

Without knowing how the objectives appear on your scripting screen, here’s my suggestion: The first ally will need to be set to betray with a trigger associated with boss health (and I can’t recall if you can do that). The additional Allies should be set to spawn using the “Boss at X% health…” Unless any of them are not switched off as mandatory, they should spawn, and must then be completed. They should be escorts, however, or the ally rescue will signal mission completion. And, bad news, an rescued ally can be left behind without repercussion. An escort, however, cannot. As far as the rest, based on your mish descr, above, it sounds like you want Allies 2/3 to spawn off the defeat of ally 1, which is not something you can do.

Capstone, Bane Spider Ruben. You lead an army and whoop up on Longbow.

Just a reminder for those of you with time to burn (or are in the right time zone; or somehow got a job with 3-day weekends, like I have): I'll be running mishes Friday morning, likely starting round 8 am EST. Long shot, but (perhaps) see you there!

There was a time when, at the beginning of each FF run, I'd announce "this is my (insert ridiculously high number here, like "3,452nd") Frostfire mission." Even today, I'll pretty much drop what I'm doing to join one.

True. And I just ran with an FF team (of 6) yesterday. It's one of the few capstone regular story arcs you can still (fairly easily) get people for.

Back to Trackie and the ward mishes. Never know what you'll find out here: Um...hello...kitty...