Switched lv 25 Heal IO for lv 35 Numina's +Regen + Rec: Mistake?

[Vulpoid]

I am wondering if I made a slotting error.
I unslotted a basic level 25 Heal IO that gave me 32% heal bonus for a fancy level 35 Numina's Convalescence + Regen 20% +Recovery 10% proc.
This was in 3 slotted health on a level 44 Fortunata. Was I mathematically better off before?

Thanks for any advice!

[SuperPlyx]

I am like 99% sure the Numina is the better choice. But I have been wrong before. @Bopper would know he has run the numbers for his cheat sheet:

 

[Bopper]

a level 25 IO in health adds 12.88% regen. Numina adds 20% regen plus the recovery

Edited June 15, 2020 by Bopper

[Vulpoid]

55 minutes ago, Bopper said:

a level 25 IO in health adds 12.88% regen.

Thank you so much!!!
I saw .32 somewhere and must have taken it out of context.
I guess that is the base of 40% x .32 = a +12.8%
Thank you very much for your help, I knew it must be better!

Edited June 15, 2020 by Vulpoid
Math stuff.

[jlee18]

I believe the IO enhances health regen (which on my tanker is 17%) and numina enhances the base regen (which is higher on my tanker at 42%). So, slotting a lvl 50 IO, i get 17% * 42% (lvl 50 IO enhance 42%, not the same 42% as my tanker base) = 7% increase in regen. When I unslot the lvl 50 IO and slot the numina plus 20% regen, i get 42% * 20% = 8% increase in regen. So, yes, Numina plus 20% is better and you get an additional 10% in recovery.

[Bopper]

16 hours ago, Vulpoid said:

Thank you so much!!!
I saw .32 somewhere and must have taken it out of context.
I guess that is the base of 40% x .32 = a +12.8%
Thank you very much for your help, I knew it must be better!

You did it correctly. Thats exactly how you calculate the added regen of your slotting. Base regen is 40% so you multiply the added strength from the enhancement (in this case 32%?) to come up with +12.88% regeneration added.

 

For what its worth, even a Level 50 IO in health (42.4% enhancement) would not outperform the 20% regen from Numina.

40% x 42.4% = 16.96%

 

It actually would require enhancement boosters to surpass numina. If you use a +5 level 50 IO (53% enhancement) you'd get:

40% x 53% = 21.2%

[Heraclea]

You slot Health for endurance recovery.  You slot Stamina for health. 

 

Brilliant plan there.  It's like all those incarnate trials where the game tells you to do this or that, and then awards badges for not doin' 'em. 

[drbuzzard2]

Ok, so it is mentioned that the Power Transfer proc only works once if slotted in two places. Does this also apply for the performance shifter +end proc? I've got it slotted multiple times on a number of alts, and I think it does something, but of course I could be fooling myself.

[Heraclea]

1 minute ago, drbuzzard2 said:

Ok, so it is mentioned that the Power Transfer proc only works once if slotted in two places. Does this also apply for the performance shifter +end proc? I've got it slotted multiple times on a number of alts, and I think it does something, but of course I could be fooling myself.

My understanding is that Performance Shifter works best when slotted in any passive power.  On a Brute you can have one in Stamina, one in Superior Conditioning, and one in Physical Perfection, and all three work.  They can also be slotted in click powers, but then they would only have a chance to fire when those powers are activated.

[drbuzzard2]

10 minutes ago, Heraclea said:

My understanding is that Performance Shifter works best when slotted in any passive power.  On a Brute you can have one in Stamina, one in Superior Conditioning, and one in Physical Perfection, and all three work.  They can also be slotted in click powers, but then they would only have a chance to fire when those powers are activated.

Yes, I have them in passives. I was just curious if they have that exclusionary effect mentioned for the Power Transfer heal (so they don't all proc).

[Bopper]

20 minutes ago, drbuzzard2 said:

Yes, I have them in passives. I was just curious if they have that exclusionary effect mentioned for the Power Transfer heal (so they don't all proc).

Only Power Transfer is mech'd this way. 

[drbuzzard2]

Ok, thanks. I don't need to go 'fix' things then.

[blayzemaster]

23 hours ago, jlee18 said:

I believe the IO enhances health regen (which on my tanker is 17%) and numina enhances the base regen (which is higher on my tanker at 42%). So, slotting a lvl 50 IO, i get 17% * 42% (lvl 50 IO enhance 42%, not the same 42% as my tanker base) = 7% increase in regen. When I unslot the lvl 50 IO and slot the numina plus 20% regen, i get 42% * 20% = 8% increase in regen. So, yes, Numina plus 20% is better and you get an additional 10% in recovery.

I thought the Numina was a FLAT 20%.

[jlee18]

3 hours ago, blayzemaster said:

I thought the Numina was a FLAT 20%.

I'm not sure how the FLAT would work. But, when I copied my char to the beta server. And using the magic of popmenu to create the needed IOs. I was able to see the effects on the combat attributes screen.

 

I unslotted all IOs that gave a regen bonus, then I unslotted all IOs in health. My combat attributes for Regeneration was this:

 

 

Then, I slotted the lvl 50 IO. I saw that my health went from 17% to 24%, which is a 42% increase on the 17%.

 

 

Lastly, I unslotted the lvl 50 IO and slotted the numina IO. I saw a new line called numina come up with an additional 8%. Looking at the base of 8.28 hp/sec and multiplying that by 20%, gives me 1.66 hp/sec. So, it looks like it's 20% of the base regen.

 

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by jlee18
removed duplicate image