Ice/Ice build help

StoneKarma · October 10, 2022

I'm trying to get my recharge up to perma-hasten. Any help is appreciated. Only other thing I can see is replace the procs in Chilblain with more of the Ice Mistral's set for 6.25%. Is that worth it? This is the best I've managed so far:

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Level 50 Mutation Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Ice Manipulation
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Blast

(A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
(3) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(5) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(5) Decimation - Chance of Build Up
(7) Ice Mistral's Torment - Chance for Cold Damage

Level 1: Chilblain

(A) Ice Mistral's Torment - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(7) Ice Mistral's Torment - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(9) Ice Mistral's Torment - Chance for Cold Damage
(9) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)
(11) Trap of the Hunter - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
(11) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage(Smashing)

Level 2: Frost Breath

(A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(15) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
(15) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
(17) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(17) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
(19) Ice Mistral's Torment - Chance for Cold Damage

Level 4: Super Jump

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 6: Aim

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 8: Freeze Ray

(A) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage
(19) Superior Defiant Barrage - Damage/RechargeTime
(21) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
(21) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(23) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
(23) Superior Defiant Barrage - RechargeTime/+Status

Level 10: Frigid Protection

(A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
(25) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
(25) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
(27) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
(27) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
(29) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

Level 12: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(29) Recharge Reduction IO
(31) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 14: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(31) Shield Wall - Defense
(33) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
(33) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 16: Build Up

(A) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception

Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast

(A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
(33) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(34) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(34) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(34) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
(36) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 20: Acrobatics

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 22: Spring Attack

(A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
(36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(36) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
(37) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
(37) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
(37) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 24: Kick

(A) Empty

Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray

(A) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage
(39) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Damage/Recharge
(39) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(39) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Recharge/Chance for Fire Damage

Level 28: Tough

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(40) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
(42) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 30: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 32: Blizzard

(A) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
(42) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(43) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
(43) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
(43) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown
(45) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 35: Ice Sword

(A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
(45) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(45) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
(46) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
(46) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
(46) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)

Level 38: Snow Storm

(A) Slow IO

Level 41: Frozen Armor

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 44: Freezing Touch

(A) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold
(48) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge
(50) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge
(50) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge
(50) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 47: Hoarfrost

(A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 49: Hibernate

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 1: Defiance

Level 1: Brawl

Edited October 10, 2022 by StoneKarma

StoneKarma · October 10, 2022

The idea is to focus on ST Damage, Mob Damage and recharge for more damage. I will likely be on teams mostly, and probably seldom/never solo with it, so I don't feel like big Def or Res is worth it. I'd rather focus on damage. Thanks for the help!

Doomguide2005 · October 10, 2022

I can't use Mids but there's a way to check how many of a given bonus you have (iirc it will show in red font). If it indicates more than 5 (Rule of 5) of that bonus consider trying to swap around to another set with a differently named and value of that bonus.

Nemu · October 11, 2022

Why acrobatics and spring attack when you can slot a kb protection IO and get frozen aura? Then you can pick up another defense power like hover or anything from the stealth pool and drop another LOTG in there. There are few things that will toss you around when you have a KB protection IO, and Acrobatics is a huge end drain that only allows you to shrug off one minor hold. It doesn't do anything against stuns/sleep. You'll also be on teams, and I'd expect your teammates to can cover those holes if they can do so. If they don't even though they have the powers that can help you, like clear mind/enforce morale, etc... then ask them to. (something along the lines of "if you can buff me with power xyz, then I'll be able to go all out and help us clear faster)

Are you ever going to use the melee attacks? Asking because a lot of people that are timid of a blasters squishiness avoid melee. So trying to figure out if the melee stuff is just for set bonuses to get to perma hasten. If that's the case you can drop the 6th proc slot from ice sword.

Decimation build up proc doesn't go in ice blast, it'll hardly proc, pick something with a longer recharge. If you are going to proc monster something bitter freeze ray is a good candidate, and go all in on procs in that power.

Similarly you are wasting procs in chillblain. Rule of thumb: if it recharges in under 8 seconds don't waste too many procs in it when you have better options with longer recharge times to slot those procs in. Low tier, low recharge powers are best used as mules for set bonuses.

Swap out the dam/recharge in frost breath for a posi blast dam/range. It'll increase your proc chances, read the above for more information on how procs work.

Why get tough/weave at all when you expect teams to cover up for you? that's 3 powers you sink for only one LOTG 7.5. Instead you can ditch fighting, go stealth for 2 easy +def picks. Having 5 LOTG 7.5s goes a long way to helping you get perma-hasten.

Slots are precious, 2 slot hasten and +5 those level 50 recharge IOs is better than wasting another slot in hasten to try to get to perma-hasten. If you really want perma-hasten you can alter your power picks and take powers that are more conducive to you achieving that goal.

Finally ask yourself WHY do you need perma-hasten?

With perma-hasten Blizzard, which is longest recharge attack recharges in 43 seconds, if you are 13 seconds off perma-hasten it comes back up in 50 seconds. You are using this power every other pack regardless of whether you have perma-hasten or not.

With perma-hasten bitter ice blast recharges in 3.5 seconds. If you are 13 seconds off perma-hasten it recharges in 3.97 seconds

If you consider the cast time for your single target attack chain, whether you are perma hasten or not you won't be able to just cycle Freeze Ray and Bitter ice blast because those two powers have a combined cast time of 2.5 seconds, so you will need to squeeze either bitter freeze ray with a 2.6 second cast or Ice Blast with a 1.85 second cast. Even if you were to use Ice blast in your ST chain that's still 2.5+1.85 = 4.35 seconds total cast time, which is still more time than it takes for bitter ice blast to recharge.

Also, if you team a lot, what are the chances that some teammates will have abilities to boost your recharge?

There are valid reasons to get perma-hasten, like on dominators that shoot for perma-dom, or proc-monster builds that rely on high recharge to compensate for the lack of recharge slotting in their proc powers (but those builds also need a lot of other bonuses/tools to offset lack of ACC slotting, lack of end reduction, etc...)

However, if you are shooting for perma-hasten just for the sake of perma-hasten, you may want to look at what you are giving up.

Here's is a build that proc monsters both holds. It actually takes advantage of all the +Acc bonuses from the sets that give recharge, and the Blaster sustain takes care of endurance management issues. Even if you go the proc monster route you'll normally only be able to proc out maybe 3 attacks max, because you'll need all the other attacks/powers for set bonuses to offset the shortcomings of not slotting those proc powers for ACC/RECH/End Redux.

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
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Level 50 Mutation Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Ice Manipulation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Blast

(A) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Superior Defiant Barrage - Damage/RechargeTime
(3) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
(5) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(5) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
(7) Superior Defiant Barrage - RechargeTime/+Status

Level 1: Chilblain

(A) Empty

Level 2: Frost Breath

(A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(9) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
(11) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
(11) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(13) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)

Level 4: Super Speed

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
(13) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)

Level 6: Aim

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 8: Freeze Ray

(A) Damage Increase IO
(15) Gladiator's Net - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
(15) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)
(17) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
(17) Ghost Widow's Embrace - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
(19) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage

Level 10: Frigid Protection

(A) Synapse's Shock - EndMod
(19) Synapse's Shock - EndMod/Recharge
(21) Synapse's Shock - EndMod/Increased Run Speed
(21) Synapse's Shock - Damage/Rechage
(23) Synapse's Shock - Damage/Accuracy/Endurance
(23) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration

Level 12: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(25) Kismet - Accuracy +6%

Level 14: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(25) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Build Up

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast

(A) Apocalypse - Damage
(27) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
(27) Apocalypse - Recharge/Accuracy
(29) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(29) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
(31) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 20: Ice Patch

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 22: Ice Storm

(A) Ice Mistral's Torment - Damage/Recharge
(31) Ice Mistral's Torment - Damage/Slow
(31) Ice Mistral's Torment - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(33) Ice Mistral's Torment - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(33) Ice Mistral's Torment - Chance for Cold Damage

Level 24: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(33) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
(34) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray

(A) Damage Increase IO
(34) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage(Smashing)
(34) Ice Mistral's Torment - Chance for Cold Damage
(36) Ghost Widow's Embrace - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
(36) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
(36) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 28: Ice Sword

(A) Ice Mistral's Torment - Damage/Recharge
(37) Ice Mistral's Torment - Damage/Slow
(37) Ice Mistral's Torment - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(37) Ice Mistral's Torment - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(48) Ice Mistral's Torment - Chance for Cold Damage

Level 30: Stealth

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(39) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance
(39) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 32: Blizzard

(A) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage
(39) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Damage/Recharge
(40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(42) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Recharge/Chance for Fire Damage

Level 35: Freezing Touch

(A) Hecatomb - Damage
(42) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
(42) Hecatomb - Recharge/Accuracy
(43) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
(43) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 38: Flash Freeze

(A) Fortunata Hypnosis - Chance for Placate

Level 41: Frozen Armor

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(43) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
(45) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 44: Hoarfrost

(A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
(45) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
(46) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
(46) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
(46) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
(47) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

Level 47: Frozen Aura

(A) Armageddon - Damage
(47) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
(47) Armageddon - Recharge/Accuracy
(48) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
(48) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage

Level 49: Grant Invisibility

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 1: Brawl

(A) Empty

Level 1: Defiance

Level 1: Sprint

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Edited October 11, 2022 by Nemu

Sanguinesun · October 11, 2022

Questions:

1. How adamant are you to have in that build the Epic Ice mastery pool?

2. How adamant are you to use jumping pool?

3. How adamant are you to use the melee powers in the secondary?

If the answer is that you're flexible to remove all 3 things, then I can suggest a build option with:

1. Potentially a 278% recharge time (this about 120% more than your current build but for st's that about 1s reduction and on aoes 5-8s reduction). If you pair choose agility core you can get a tiny bit more recharge but choosing musculature is more damage for you which personally i think would be better given your goals).

2. Slightly better tohit

3. Better overall damage(especially with musculature) and more single target and aoe damage.

4. More mob control

5. Being more exclusively at range and with better defenses and resistances as a whole(a by product from the other goals)

6. Almost doubling your recovery rate and slighly reducing your endurance drain

7. And a 25% improvement to regeneration.

Otherwise, improvements in recharge become more challenging and not as pronounced as you'd potentially want with a goal of meaningful chances to get more attacks out in the same limited amount of time. Your builds deficits are in going too deep in jumping due to your desire for a small amount of melee that may just not be warranted, especially on teams.

Let me know if that's a consideration.

Snarky · October 11, 2022

Here is my Ice Ice, it is not perma hasten but it has great ranged defense, on a pure ranged toon...

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Level 50 Magic Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Ice Manipulation
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Bolt

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 1: Chilblain

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(9) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(9) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(11) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Ice Blast

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(17) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 4: Frost Breath

(A) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage
(17) Artillery - Damage/Endurance
(19) Artillery - Damage/Recharge
(19) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(21) Artillery - Accuracy/Recharge/Range
(21) Artillery - Endurance/Recharge/Range

Level 6: Aim

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 8: Freeze Ray

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(27) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(29) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(29) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(31) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(31) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 10: Frigid Protection

(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(31) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(33) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self
(33) Power Transfer - EndMod
(33) Theft of Essence - Chance for +Endurance

Level 12: Ice Storm

(A) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(34) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance
(34) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(34) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(36) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
(36) Superior Frozen Blast - Recharge/Chance for Immobilize

Level 14: Fly

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 16: Build Up

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(36) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast

(A) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(37) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime
(37) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(37) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(39) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
(39) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge

Level 20: Ice Patch

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 22: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(39) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 24: Maneuvers

(A) Kismet - Accuracy +6%

Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray

(A) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage
(40) Superior Defiant Barrage - Damage/RechargeTime
(40) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
(40) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(42) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
(42) Superior Defiant Barrage - RechargeTime/+Status

Level 28: Shiver

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(42) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(43) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(43) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(43) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(45) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 30: Assault

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 32: Blizzard

(A) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage
(45) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Damage/Recharge
(46) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(46) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(46) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(48) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Recharge/Chance for Fire Damage

Level 35: Snow Storm

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(48) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(48) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(50) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(50) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(50) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 38: Flash Freeze

(A) Bombardment - Damage/Recharge
(45) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 41: Frozen Armor

(A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 44: Hoarfrost

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 47: Tactics

(A) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception

Level 49: Hibernate

(A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 1: Defiance

Level 1: Brawl

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Snarky · October 11, 2022

Here is the Ice/Temporal/Cold that I settled on. For me it is better. Still not quite perma hasten, but better. Again, great ranged defense on a fully ranged toon.

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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Level 50 Mutation Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Temporal Manipulation
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Bolt

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 1: Time Wall

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(7) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(9) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(9) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(11) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(11) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 2: Ice Blast

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(17) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 4: Time Stop

(A) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold
(17) Superior Entomb - Hold/Recharge
(19) Superior Entomb - Endurance/Recharge
(19) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold/Endurance
(21) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold/Endurance/Recharge
(21) Superior Entomb - Recharge/Chance for +Absorb

Level 6: Aim

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(23) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 8: Freeze Ray

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(23) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(25) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(25) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(27) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(27) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 10: Chronos

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 12: Ice Storm

(A) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage
(33) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance
(33) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(33) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(34) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
(34) Superior Frozen Blast - Recharge/Chance for Immobilize

Level 14: Fly

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 16: Stealth

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast

(A) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(34) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime
(36) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(36) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(36) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
(37) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge

Level 20: Temporal Healing

(A) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance
(48) Numina's Convalesence - Endurance/Recharge
(48) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
(50) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(50) Numina's Convalesence - Heal
(50) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 22: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(37) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 24: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray

(A) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage
(37) Superior Defiant Barrage - Damage/RechargeTime
(39) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
(39) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(39) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
(40) Superior Defiant Barrage - RechargeTime/+Status

Level 28: Assault

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 30: Tactics

(A) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception

Level 32: Blizzard

(A) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage
(40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Damage/Recharge
(40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(42) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(42) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(42) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Recharge/Chance for Fire Damage

Level 35: Snow Storm

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(43) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(43) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(43) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(45) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(45) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 38: Flash Freeze

(A) Call of the Sandman - Chance of Heal Self

Level 41: Time Shift

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(45) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(46) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(46) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(46) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(48) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 44: Time Lord

(A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 47: Frozen Armor

(A) Kismet - Accuracy +6%

Level 49: Hoarfrost

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 1: Defiance

Level 1: Brawl

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NiCad · December 22, 2022

@Sanguinesun, I'd be interested in seeing your ICE/ICE build

StoneKarma · May 14, 2023

Revisiting this topic after getting the Ice/Ice up to 50. @Sanguinesun to answer your questions, I am open to all of these, it sounds interesting. I've been playing it some just IOs, and I can see the potential, but it seems a little bit tricky to get the most out of this set.

All I *really* want to do is damage with minor control and some decent survivability thrown in.

I don't have a real "theme" other than Ice and think I can recolor anything to make it look like ice.

@Snarky thanks for your builds, I have them in mids now and am trying to learn from them, much appreciated.

Edited May 14, 2023 by StoneKarma

StoneKarma · May 14, 2023

Here's the build I am working with along with some of my observations.

Swapped over to Epic Flame Mastery.

Ranged DEF is 42% vs @Chelsea Rorec's Fire/Fire Blaster 45%

I did some testing with Evasive Maneuvers and if you are attacking, the DEF buff is negligible, so I am leaving it turned off.

I wanted to proc at least one power, per @Snarky's build, is Bitter Freeze Ray the right one?

I feel like I made a lot of compromises on DMG to pursue DEF? Is that a mistake? I usually try to fill my role on a team. So for a Blaster, I feel like that role is DMG with a splash of control and stay out of trouble.

Also, I normally chase +RECH and I wasn't able to do that and get DEF.

I am really looking for help and suggestions on how to improve the build.

I do like the potential to HOLD things. With the innate HOLD and some of the procs, it should be decent if the RNG gods are kind.

https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1597&c=670&a=1340&f=HEX&dc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

Blaster - Ice Blast - Ice Manipulation DRAFT.mxd

Edited May 14, 2023 by StoneKarma

Snarky · May 14, 2023

8 hours ago, StoneKarma said:

Here's the build I am working with along with some of my observations.

Swapped over to Epic Flame Mastery.

Ranged DEF is 42% vs @Chelsea Rorec's Fire/Fire Blaster 45%

I did some testing with Evasive Maneuvers and if you are attacking, the DEF buff is negligible, so I am leaving it turned off.

I wanted to proc at least one power, per @Snarky's build, is Bitter Freeze Ray the right one?

I feel like I made a lot of compromises on DMG to pursue DEF? Is that a mistake? I usually try to fill my role on a team. So for a Blaster, I feel like that role is DMG with a splash of control and stay out of trouble.

Also, I normally chase +RECH and I wasn't able to do that and get DEF.

I am really looking for help and suggestions on how to improve the build.

I do like the potential to HOLD things. With the innate HOLD and some of the procs, it should be decent if the RNG gods are kind.

I am NOT a great builder. I am reworking some old ideas. Almost did Ice Ice yesterday but decided to pfutz with Seismic Temporal instead. Damn that meteor is pretty.

I would build high recharge. A serious build goal kept in mind on every power pick. Along with accuracy. BUT.... For Ice (As I have with Seismic) I would look at boosting your Range. You do not have a Snipe so Exp Marks is out. But you do have a few cones. 2 slotting Bombardment and possible spitting Blasters wrath into 2x 3 slots for range increase is a nice strategy. Yes, this makes chasing range bonuses super hard. Here is how my ideas on Seismic worked out:

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.7
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Magic Blaster
Primary Power Set: Seismic Blast
Secondary Power Set: Temporal Manipulation
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Flame Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shatter

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(9) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(9) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 1: Time Wall

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(33) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(33) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(33) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(34) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Rock Shards

(A) Bombardment - Damage
(3) Bombardment - Chance for Fire Damage
(3) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage
(5) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(5) Artillery - Accuracy/Recharge/Range
(17) Artillery - Endurance/Recharge/Range

Level 4: Time Stop

(A) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold
(34) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge
(34) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold
(46) Lockdown - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
(46) Lockdown - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
(50) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold

Level 6: Entomb

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(37) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(37) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(39) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(39) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(39) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 8: Seismic Force

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(40) Recharge Reduction IO
(46) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 10: Chronos

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(40) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 12: Upthrust

(A) Bombardment - Damage
(13) Bombardment - Chance for Fire Damage
(13) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage
(15) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(15) Artillery - Accuracy/Recharge/Range
(50) Artillery - Endurance/Recharge/Range

Level 14: Encase

(A) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage
(17) Superior Defiant Barrage - Damage/RechargeTime
(23) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
(25) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(31) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
(31) Superior Defiant Barrage - RechargeTime/+Status

Level 16: Mystic Flight

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 18: Tombstone

(A) Experienced Marksman - Accuracy/Damage
(19) Experienced Marksman - Damage/Interrupt/Range/Recharge
(19) Sting of the Manticore - Accuracy/Damage
(21) Sting of the Manticore - Accuracy/Interrupt/Range
(21) Sting of the Manticore - Damage/Endurance
(23) Sting of the Manticore - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 20: Temporal Healing

(A) Preemptive Optimization - Accuracy/Recharge
(42) Preemptive Optimization - EndMod/Endurance
(48) Preemptive Optimization - EndMod/Recharge
(48) Preemptive Optimization - EndMod/Accuracy/Endurance
(48) Preemptive Optimization - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(50) Preemptive Optimization - EndMod/Endurance/Recharge

Level 22: Stalagmite

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(42) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(43) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(43) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(43) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(45) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 24: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(25) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 26: Meteor

(A) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Damage/Recharge
(27) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(27) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Recharge/Chance for Fire Damage
(29) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage
(29) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(31) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 28: Time Shift

(A) Accuracy IO

Level 30: Time Lord

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 32: Maneuvers

(A) Kismet - Accuracy +6%

Level 35: Bonfire

(A) Bombardment - Damage
(36) Bombardment - Chance for Fire Damage
(36) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage
(36) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(37) Artillery - Accuracy/Recharge/Range

Level 38: Char

(A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold
(45) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold

Level 41: Stealth

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 44: Fire Shield

(A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 47: Rise of the Phoenix

(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 49: Tactics

Hamidon Origin:Cytoskeleton Exposure

Level 1: Defiance

Level 1: Brawl

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StoneKarma · May 14, 2023

This was entertaining! I wanted to see what would happen if I chased *only* +RECH. I was able to get RECH up to +155% with Hasten turned off and +225% with Hasten on. The Tier 1 Ice Bolt recharges in less than 1 second. Bitter Ice Blast goes from 12 secs. down to 3.2 secs. Just silly.

Funny thing is, S/L DEF is a perfectly ok 33% most of the others are around 20%. Bad, but not horrible. And Resists? Who needs them! (ok, Fire and Cold are 23%, S/L & Toxic 12%. E/N 6% and 0% Psionic. This canon is definitely made of glass.

I didn't do anything to optimize the sets, just wanted to know what the second most ridiculous build would look like. In the words of OJ Simpson, "If I DID do it, it might look like this."

EDIT: I discovered on my own that only 5 Purple sets + ATO sets count. It ignores the others. So now I got RECH to 162.5%/232% (w/ Hasten).

Blaster - Ice Blast - Ice Manipulation RECHARGE ONLY.mbd

Edited May 14, 2023 by StoneKarma

StoneKarma · May 15, 2023

Ok, here is a more useful version, I think. Not *quite* to perma-Hasten. Decent Ranged DEF 40%, most of the others are about 14%.

S/L Resist are 50%. Not great, but solid.

+RECH for Hasten (166%/96% Hasten on/off).

In the RECH vs DEF/RESist vs ENDurance I am not sure where I'll sit.

Before I go buy all this stuff, any suggestions? I will almost always be on teams. Especially, are there better sets or better ways to slot the sets?

Blaster (Ice Blast - Ice Manipulation).mbd

atletikus · May 15, 2023

Just returning to the game after years away, but here's my remarks:

Bug showing Superior Defiant Barrage first slot of Ice Blast.
Showing no power picked level 24. Pick Aim and choose it sooner.
Remove the +2 hold proc in Freezing Touch. Unreliable proc you DON'T need. Move slot + purple hold damage proc to Bitter Freeze Ray for significant damage oomph!
Move Steadfast Protection: +3 Defense to earlier and better power Fire Shield.
Panacea proc instead of Numina's. More than double endurance gain in comparison.
Bonfire is over-slotted. 2 slots: Force Feedback +Recharge proc + the KB to KD. 4 slots freed for your leisure. Add one slot to Build Up for more recharge. Add one slot to Weave, to shore up your defense. One slot to Fly for +ranged def bonus and transportation speed. One slot free to tickle your fantasy 🙂

Perhaps a tiny bit little less global recharge (set bonus vs FF proc) but better in every other way.

Edited May 15, 2023 by atletikus

Nemu · May 15, 2023

You should really look at the build I posted. It checks all your boxes based on your initial ask. Let's compare and contrast:

Your last build, with a 6th set of +10% global recharge by the way.

The build I posted half a year ago:

Your Freeze Ray:

My Freeze Ray, without any recharge slotting

Your hasten:

My Hasten:

All that recharge gets neutered with just a few -recharge debuffs. Your -recharge debuff resistance:

Mine:

Where's your heart at? Do you really want to do the thing you said you want to do or do you just want to hover blast with range defense covering your survival?

If you noticed that my Freeze ray has lower chance to hit against +4s you are correct, assuming you are on teams all the time there are buffs and debuffs that can make up for that, but if you want to make sure you stay above 95% to hit with those powers you can replace the DAM IO with a Nucleus Hami-O, drop grant invis and pick up tactics. Hasten will drop to 118s (oh Noes!) and you will still do almost 2x the damage on freeze ray compared to your build.

I'll reiterate, building for recharge for the sake of just recharge is wasting the opportunity to find other things that synergizes with that game plan. Nowadays if recharge is my goal I'll find a way to proc monster at least 1 power, if not more, to squeeze more damage in and get the most benefit out of having high recharge.

StoneKarma · May 15, 2023

@Nemu, all this looks good to me. Where is your build posted?

Nemu · May 15, 2023

In this thread 4th post.

StoneKarma · May 15, 2023

<facepalm>. I went right by it. Thanks! And I knew I saw the "how to proc" posted somewhere but couldn't find it.

Crystal87 · September 9, 2023

@Nemu Nemu, is your build still viable??

Nemu · September 11, 2023

On 9/9/2023 at 9:22 AM, Crystal87 said:

@Nemu Nemu, is your build still viable??

Depends on your definition of viable.

i27 Page 5 allowed us to take powers sooner so the build can be revised to reflect taking key powers earlier, but as for slotting nothing changes.

However, I built what I posted with the OP's goals in mind. He wanted a team build with perma-hasten and I built a blaster with perma hasten with a few powers that took advantage of high recharge. The build has very little defense, the premise is that survival is covered by teammates.

Let's define what your goals are, is it:

1 - I want to be able to play aggressively and solo mobs meant for a big team without too much help.

or

2 - I want a team build and I understand that I'll need teammates to buff/heal/cover me, but when they do I can go all out and maximize my damage potential.

Your playstyle and knowledge of the game may also influence what you consider viable:

1 - I know all the tricks to playing blasters from movement, line of sight, using hard/soft controls from my toolkit, target priority and inspirational use and I'm ok with a build that focuses more on damage than survival.

or

2 - I see mobs and I snipe them while standing/hovering out in the open, but I keep dying because everything gangs up on me after my snipe. I'm tired of dying.

Most people I see opt for survival over damage. You can even see the OP gravitating towards range defense in his revisions. If you have the same mindset then this build will leave a lot to be desired.

Edited September 11, 2023 by Nemu

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