I don't like the Elite Bosses added to trick-or-treating

[tanglin]

1 minute ago, Glacier Peak said:

Since the very first Halloween event there has been a giant monster that required teammates to defeat. Then there were Banner monsters and that GM. This year there was new EBs added. It's par for the course. 

Yes, but this year's content has all of the previous years' giant monsters, banner monsters and GM, with the addition of EBs in ToT, then this year's content is harder, right?

[Glacier Peak]

1 minute ago, tanglin said:

Yes, but this year's content has all of the previous years' giant monsters, banner monsters and GM, with the addition of EBs in ToT, then this year's content is harder, right?

Yes, this year's content has all of the previous years' giant monsters, banner monsters and GM, with the addition of EBs in ToT.

[tanglin]

1 minute ago, Shadeknight said:

I'm sure there's been some people who have had to flee from bosses.

The content difficulty is the same.

You're not getting a "gotcha" moment out of this, tanglin.

 

You may feel that this is a "gotcha" if you feel that agreeing that this year's content is harder than previous years' is somehow ... like being tricked, or something.

[tanglin]

3 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Yes, this year's content has all of the previous years' giant monsters, banner monsters and GM, with the addition of EBs in ToT.

 

And therefore, harder than previous years' right? 

[Glacier Peak]

Just now, tanglin said:

And therefore, harder than previous years' right? 

Subjectively?

[tanglin]

1 minute ago, Glacier Peak said:

Subjectively?

 

How so? Are you saying that, everything else being equal, and EB is not harder than a Boss (previously the hardest mob in ToT)?

[Glacier Peak]

Just now, tanglin said:

How so? Are you saying that, everything else being equal, and EB is not harder than a Boss (previously the hardest mob in ToT)?

Oh okay if that's the case, my team and I had no trouble defeating the EBs that came out of the door or the Pumpkin Eochai GM or the banners and it's final boss. So all things equal in my experience. Then again I've soloed all of them myself (yes, even the banners which required me to use multiple monitor screens and lining up the right moments in each banner circle).

[tanglin]

1 minute ago, Glacier Peak said:

Oh okay if that's the case, my team and I had no trouble defeating the EBs that came out of the door or the Pumpkin Eochai GM or the banners and it's final boss. So all things equal in my experience. Then again I've soloed all of them myself (yes, even the banners which required me to use multiple monitor screens and lining up the right moments in each banner circle).

 

Whether you can handle them or not isn't what we're talking about. It's whether the addition of EBs in ToT make the content harder than last year's, everything else being equal. So, are you saying that the addition of EBs in ToT does not raise the difficulty of the content compared to last year's?

[Glacier Peak]

4 minutes ago, tanglin said:

Whether you can handle them or not isn't what we're talking about. It's whether the addition of EBs in ToT make the content harder than last year's, everything else being equal. So, are you saying that the addition of EBs in ToT does not raise the difficulty of the content compared to last year's?

There have been EBs in the Halloween Zombie Apocalypse spawns too.

[tanglin]

2 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

There have been EBs in the Halloween Zombie Apocalypse spawns too.

 

I'm assuming Halloween Zombie Apocalypse is in this year's and last year's Halloween event, right?

[Glacier Peak]

1 minute ago, tanglin said:

I'm assuming Halloween Zombie Apocalypse is in this year's and last year's Halloween event, right?

Oh yeah since the legacy days. Check it out:

 

https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Halloween_Event_2022

Edited October 14, 2022 by Glacier Peak
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[Ruin Mage]

It's been a part of Halloween for a long time, back from Live.

[tanglin]

1 minute ago, Glacier Peak said:

Oh yeah since the legacy says. Check it out:

 

https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Halloween_Event_2022

 

Yes, so, while EBs have been in Halloween Zombie Apocalypse in this year's and previous years' event, this year has the addition of EBs in ToT, right? And we can agree that an EB is harder than a Boss, right? And since this year's ToT has EBs, while previous years' only have up to a Boss,  this means that this year's content is harder, correct?

[PeregrineFalcon]

3 minutes ago, tanglin said:

And since this year's ToT has EBs, while previous years' only have up to a Boss,  this means that this year's content is harder, correct?

No.

[tanglin]

3 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

No.

 

How so?

[Ruin Mage]

Because by the time you hit 25, you should have some sort of build that will allow soloing an EB. Some have it easier, but I don't know a build (aside from a self-sabotaged one) that cannot take on EBs. EBs are not that tough and never have been.

[tanglin]

Okay, it's bedtime for me, so I'm going to wrap this up. This has been a very strange discussion, to say the least. In symbols, it's like this:

 

Me: "10 + 1 = 11, correct?"

 

Everyone: "Yes."

 

Me: "Therefore, 11 is greater than 10, correct?"

 

Everyone: "No"; "I won't let you trick me into saying that"; "It's subjective"; "11 is just another number like 10".

 

[Ruin Mage]

That isn't how it works when talking about difficulty, but go to bed.

[MistressOhm]

"These all go up to 11... most blokes, they crank everything up to 10, and then, they can't push it any harder.  We have that extra 'one more' in case we need to push it over the cliff, right?"

 

"But why not just make 10, you know, louder?"

 

"... these go to eleven."

 

 

 

 

[ivanhedgehog]

18 hours ago, ScarySai said:

I don't get how people are having trouble with these guys.

 

You're given plenty of time to run away if you're undergeared for them.

 

I for one, love the free XP on most of my guys, especially the masterminds. Poor EBs.

unless you have an aura or burn patch or any aoe going off. then you are dead on some classes.

[ivanhedgehog]

56 minutes ago, Shadeknight said:

Because by the time you hit 25, you should have some sort of build that will allow soloing an EB. Some have it easier, but I don't know a build (aside from a self-sabotaged one) that cannot take on EBs. EBs are not that tough and never have been.

A lot of people dont have built IO set builds at 25. A lot use so's until end game. This is why balance was always vs so's. the devs broke that.

[Snarky]

6 minutes ago, ivanhedgehog said:

A lot of people dont have built IO set builds at 25. A lot use so's until end game. This is why balance was always vs so's. the devs broke that.

Current balance is high end I/O builds.  People can say "you don't have to run it" until they sound like homeless people talking to a wall.  All you see in game are things like "+2 Speed Synapse" and recruiting for the very hardest content.  

 

Nicely though, I do not have to run it.  I only log in for a couple hours a week now to run things with friends.  

Edited October 14, 2022 by Snarky

[Starforge]

6 minutes ago, ivanhedgehog said:

A lot of people dont have built IO set builds at 25. A lot use so's until end game. This is why balance was always vs so's. the devs broke that.

I know I didn't have enhancement sets on my PB dealing with EBs solo in the ingame story arcs that you can do well below level 25, even below level 20. To think you need to be slotted out with set IOs to handle the Halloween ToT EBs solo is ridiculous.

[Ruin Mage]

The general populace is not putting IO sets at 25. I don't recall the last time I saw set bonuses on someone below 50.

If you think you need IOs to take on EBs, you may be playing poorly. Harsh, but that's my take away.

You can also face EBs in the i24 Skulls arc and spread throughout. Can't beat those?

Skill issue.

Edited October 14, 2022 by Shadeknight

[Indystruck]

Sands, Castillo, Night Widow Nocturne, Dr. V, Chernobog, there's plenty of pre level 25 AVs/EBs lurking in the game already.