ThaOGDreamWeaver Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Final trailer for The Boys' college-era spinoff is out, and while there are a few plot similarities - like a competition to wind up as the top-ranked hero and all the glory that brings - Sky High it ain't... So, two obviously hypercompetitive superjocks with their own issues and agendas, some second tiers who are probably the heroes/leads/Final Girls, something called The Woods that shall not be discussed, a whole new range of fun powers (shrinking, blood magick, and... puppetry...?), and a bloody disgusting murder mystery. Cast: Golden Boy is Terminal List's Patrick Schwarzenegger (yes, one of Ahnold's kids), CAOSabrina's Roz (Jaz Sinclair) and Ambrose (Chance Perdomo) reuniting as very different students, guest shots from A-Train and other Boys regulars, and the ever-wonderful Clancy Brown as a suitably avuncular and probably mildly evil chancellor. Jensen Ackles is also rumoured to show up, though listed only as "Ben", not Soldier Boy, and that ref is not on IMDB. Drops on Prime September 29. Do we think it's gonna make the grade? WAKE UP YA MISCREANTS AND... HEY, GET YOUR OWN DAMN SIGNATURE. Look out for me being generally cool, stylish and funny (delete as applicable) on Excelsior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherTed Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 ...so, basically "Lower Decks" for "The Boys" universe? As much as I liked the first two seasons of TB, I'd pass on this even if I still had Prime. Young adult superhero angst just isn't my bag - though, perhaps ironically, the puppets were the only thing that caught my interest. It also seems a bit early to do spinoffs but, to be fair, 1) I became used to waiting years, even decades, for a spinoff long before this new-ish mode of television-making, and 2) not having Season 3 of TB, I have no idea if it would permit a 4th. Maybe the OG show has already tapped all its potential. That said, I'm sure it will do well, ratings-wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaOGDreamWeaver Posted September 8 Author Share Posted September 8 I don't think The Boys has run out of steam just yet, though after S3... Spoiler ...which was left with Homelander being obviously guilty of murder, but untouchable in the public eye, Butcher in terminal decline from abusing Superadine - sorry, V24, Starlight vilified and exiled from the Seven, and Maeve left for dead but depowered... ...S4 might be a good place to put draw a veil over things, tie up loose ends and 'ave a well-earned brew. And to be honest, I'm not sure anything they could do is going to top the "Herogasm" episode. As for GV, it looks more 20% teen angst, 80% teen survival horror. Or as some of us called it, "high school". 😛 WAKE UP YA MISCREANTS AND... HEY, GET YOUR OWN DAMN SIGNATURE. Look out for me being generally cool, stylish and funny (delete as applicable) on Excelsior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7COMMANDER Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 Honestly I don't see The Boys going past Season 5... or at least, I don't think it should go past Season 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Without_Pause Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/9/2023 at 7:51 PM, N7COMMANDER said: Honestly I don't see The Boys going past Season 5... or at least, I don't think it should go past Season 5 I never read the graphic novel, but based on Charlie from Emergency Awesome he even said a 5th season would be the max. Despite the popularity of the show, at some point you have to stay within range of the source material or risk the quality tanking. I think that's why they are doing a spin-off. Top 10 Most Fun 50s. 1. Without Mercy: Claws/ea Scrapper. 2. Outsmart: Fort 3. Sneakers: Stj/ea Stalker. 4. Waterpark: Water/temp Blaster. 5. Project Next: Ice/stone Brute. 6. Mighty Matt: Rad/bio Brute. 7. Without Pause: Claws/wp Brute. 8. Emma Strange: Ill/dark. 9. Nothing But Flowers: Plant/storm Controller. 10. Obsidian Smoke: Fire/dark Corr. "Downtime is for mortals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusiphur Malache Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 On 9/12/2023 at 11:53 PM, Without_Pause said: never read the graphic novel, but based on Charlie from Emergency Awesome he even said a 5th season would be the max. Despite the popularity of the show, at some point you have to stay within range of the source material or risk the quality tanking. I think that's why they are doing a spin-off. The Boys is so far from the comic book, I wouldn't recognize it except that most of the characters have the same names. I do agree that 5 seasons might be the most we get, I'll be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvaderStych Posted Saturday at 12:54 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:54 AM Ok. Preface: I really, really wanted/tried to like The Boys. In spite of its enjoyable moments and the imitable Karl Urban I just, mostly, couldn't. I did watch through all 3 seasons and was left wondering why I did. I suppose my problem was that it left like one of those frustrating narratives that just seemed to find ways to perpetuate itself for the sake of continuing to exist. Once they got to Herogasm, I was hoping for an ending that I knew wasn't coming. Shame too, as they had all the pieces in place to bring the story to a close. That said ... On 9/8/2023 at 3:23 AM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said: Drops on Prime September 29. Do we think it's gonna make the grade? Yes. After the first three episodes, I'm in. I don't think it will be as popular as the "original" and I do expect the Internet NeckBeard Society to find reasons to Nerd Rage about it, but as a narrative work it is just ... better ... by a considerable margin. For starters I don't aggressively hate every single character as I did with TB. I know I was supposed to hate most of them, but ffs that was just exhausting. And even the characters I was supposed to not hate I still mostly did. On 9/8/2023 at 4:13 AM, TheOtherTed said: ...so, basically "Lower Decks" for "The Boys" universe? Uh, yeah ... No. Definitely not. Closer to say it is what The New Mutants (movie) should have been, but wasn't. Or maybe what Runaways could have been had it not been hamstrung by being a Freeform production. Definitely delving deeper into the darker side of Vaught, which considering the places that TB went is saying something. I have high expectations for the remainder of the season; hopefully they are not misplaced. On 9/8/2023 at 3:23 AM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said: Cast: Golden Boy is Terminal List's Patrick Schwarzenegger (yes, one of Ahnold's kids), CAOSabrina's Roz (Jaz Sinclair) and Ambrose (Chance Perdomo) reuniting as very different students, guest shots from A-Train and other Boys regulars, and the ever-wonderful Clancy Brown as a suitably avuncular and probably mildly evil chancellor. Jensen Ackles is also rumoured to show up, though listed only as "Ben", not Soldier Boy, and that ref is not on IMDB. Seeing the Kurgan was fun, and PS does have a great screen presence, but if you're going into the series for them you're going to be disappointed. Swiftly, I might add. On 9/8/2023 at 5:43 AM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said: As for GV, it looks more 20% teen angst, 80% teen survival horror. Ratios are right, but they're doing a good job of keeping it firmly College-Age and not what I'd consider "Teen" drama. This ain't your little sister's favorite CW show, that's for sure. 🤣 "I woke up despite my head; To see the trail I blazed last night with the words I said; Still she laid there in the charred and smoking wake of fears I fed ... Then she got up to look around; Muttered words I’d never heard a human sound; Then from her hair grew forty serpents, from her eyes a fiery shroud... From her mouth came forty voices, and I heard them cry aloud: The Sun Won't Cast No Shadow Anymore! The Willows Never Weep and the Wind Will Never Moan!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted Saturday at 02:23 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:23 AM 1 hour ago, InvaderStych said: The New Mutants (movie) Slight tangent: Am I the only person on the internet who actually liked The New Mutants movie? And yeah, Gen V doesn't look interesting to me. I'm really not interested in yet another high school teen angst show. I'm almost 40 years past that demographic. "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire posts, the posts become warning points. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion." Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted Saturday at 02:39 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:39 AM 14 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said: Am I the only person on the internet who actually liked The New Mutants movie? TBH, I liked all the secondary characters more than the main one. Were there extensive reshoots with that one, because I feel like they could have played up the horror elements a bit more, especially involving Magik's backstory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvaderStych Posted Saturday at 02:59 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:59 AM (edited) 43 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said: Slight tangent: Am I the only person on the internet who actually liked The New Mutants movie? I ended up rather neutral, fwiw. Didn't hate it, but was left wondering what it could have been had they not leaned so hard on the whole "one you feed" thing. 27 minutes ago, biostem said: Were there extensive reshoots with that one, because I feel like they could have played up the horror elements a bit more, especially involving Magik's backstory... Yes. I want to say they dialed way back on the horror elements, but I am probably incorrect. 43 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said: I'm really not interested in yet another high school teen angst show. fwiw - I'd call it more body-horror than teen angst. (which is sort of a sub-genre of teen angst sometimes I suppose) There are some angsty elements, but they don't dominate the narrative ... ... at least so far. Edited Saturday at 03:07 AM by InvaderStych had other thoughts 1 "I woke up despite my head; To see the trail I blazed last night with the words I said; Still she laid there in the charred and smoking wake of fears I fed ... Then she got up to look around; Muttered words I’d never heard a human sound; Then from her hair grew forty serpents, from her eyes a fiery shroud... From her mouth came forty voices, and I heard them cry aloud: The Sun Won't Cast No Shadow Anymore! The Willows Never Weep and the Wind Will Never Moan!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted Saturday at 06:28 AM Share Posted Saturday at 06:28 AM Yeah, I would have liked it more had it been more of an actual horror movie. With the New Mutants actually working to overcome their fears and coming together as a super team, and then hunting the monster down and ripping it apart. The after credits scene should have been them being welcomed into the X-Mansion. 1 1 "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire posts, the posts become warning points. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion." Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaOGDreamWeaver Posted Saturday at 09:50 AM Author Share Posted Saturday at 09:50 AM (edited) 8 hours ago, InvaderStych said: Ratios are right, but they're doing a good job of keeping it firmly College-Age and not what I'd consider "Teen" drama. Look, they're under 40, I consider them basically teens and immature. Grrr. Youths! *shakes walking stick and accidentally fries passing cyclist with a lightning bolt* ...oops. Sorry. My bad. 6 hours ago, InvaderStych said: Am I the only person on the internet who actually liked The New Mutants movie? I tried watching it, but - despite Maisie being cool as usual - didn't grab me either by the feels for the characters, or by the throat with fear, and gave up after about half an hour. Felt like it wasn't quite sure either in plot or direction what it wanted to be. If it feels like a bit of a mess, the production history is making me cringe in pain and want to send chocolates to the cast and crew in solidarity. Because sweet Freya in Asgard, this doesn't sound like a fun gig. And given Fox had started to lose interest in the franchise after Apocalypse, it had no serious budget, promo or management backing to play with. Per Wikipedia: Fox wanted the book made into a YA Stranger Things-y flick, but then flipped it into a horror movie when IT (2017) came out. Executives wanting to redo movies based on the zeitgeist is a Bad Thing, BTW, and is why management need to give them shock collars if they send more than five notes a day. There then followed two years in Post-Prod hell - a much rarer and more terrifying punishment than Development Hell, with reshoots, plot changes and even whole new characters being mooted and then dropped. After the acquisition, Disney put back some of the horror and stripped out some of the X-references, and it tested... okay, but no reshoots or additional scenes were filmed, even the usual fix-up pickups. Partly for budget, but mainly because the cast had aged three years since the main shoot. Also, a lot of the final cut had to be done by a lone editor as the director (Josh Boone) was already off making The Stand. As if that wasn't enough, the release date was March 2020, right at the start of COVID, so it went DTV, with a contractually-required cinematic limited release in October. And then the got at it - eventually, as Disney refused to provide screeners. And then came the neckbeards... Let's hope - given Amazon were prepared to give The Boys the fairly terrifying level of creative freedom they were allowed - Gen V fares better. From your enthused noises, it certainly seems to be - will be tuning in later this weekend... Edited Saturday at 09:50 AM by ThaOGDreamWeaver WAKE UP YA MISCREANTS AND... HEY, GET YOUR OWN DAMN SIGNATURE. Look out for me being generally cool, stylish and funny (delete as applicable) on Excelsior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeregrineFalcon Posted Saturday at 11:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:27 PM 13 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said: And then came the neckbeards... Wait. So if a guy skips shaving one day, and has same hair on his neck, then somehow his opinion is invalid and it's ok to make fun of him? 1 "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire posts, the posts become warning points. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion." Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvaderStych Posted Sunday at 12:49 AM Share Posted Sunday at 12:49 AM 1 hour ago, PeregrineFalcon said: So if a guy skips shaving one day, and has same hair on his neck, then somehow his opinion is invalid and it's ok to make fun of him? I certainly hope it's not meant to be taken literally! I skip shaving all the time! Even though my beard won't go past about 3/8" before curling in upon itself and assaulting the face from which it grows, some of it does grow on my neck! 🤣 "I woke up despite my head; To see the trail I blazed last night with the words I said; Still she laid there in the charred and smoking wake of fears I fed ... Then she got up to look around; Muttered words I’d never heard a human sound; Then from her hair grew forty serpents, from her eyes a fiery shroud... From her mouth came forty voices, and I heard them cry aloud: The Sun Won't Cast No Shadow Anymore! The Willows Never Weep and the Wind Will Never Moan!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Vee Posted Sunday at 09:38 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:38 PM 22 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said: Wait. So if a guy skips shaving one day, and has same hair on his neck, then somehow his opinion is invalid and it's ok to make fun of him? Yes, absolutely. And I don't shave every day either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Vee Posted Sunday at 10:32 PM Share Posted Sunday at 10:32 PM Ok I've seen all three eps now and liked them. Spoiler Wish Clancy Brown were around a bit longer, but he seems to like showing up briefly to class up joints lately. Not sure I'd have wanted either Runaways or New Mutants to be like this. But then I liked Runaways better than any MCU tv show so far, and was pleasantly surprised by New Mutants, which I was expecting to be more along the lines of what Morbius and the Venoms were. Also how great is the name London Thor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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