Adding in the inverse of Temporal Warrior to character creation.

[Mystoc]

 

There could be a better name that is decided on but for now let's call it "Temporal Socialite"

 

The idea is simple you have access to all the tools needed to create your ideal character including prestige costumes like "mini me"

 

here is a mockup of how I would see it working

 

Text version

 

Spoiler

•Start the game as any of the 15 Archetypes.

•Chose to play as a HERO or VILLIAN.

•All characters are permanently affected by “Only Affecting Self”  this includes your pets.

•All characters have access to all Temporary Powers, Accolade Powers and Prestige Costumes.

•All characters have capped health and endurance recovery.

•All characters cannot receive rewards from combat in anyway.

•All characters will start at level 50 with Incarnate Slots unlocked and all incarnate powers free to acquire.

 

I think this feature would mainly be perfect for costume contests! I know giving access to prestige powers that are bought with Prismatic Aether will be the most controversial part of this request so I will explain why I feel this is fair below.

 

 

Spoiler

• When homecoming first launched everyone could access capes and auras at level 1, the idea was to not limit creativity and give all character creation options including previously exclusive auction house costume pieces as well.
• But what Prestige Tier 3 and 4 costumes essentially are unique auras or character body modifications that are not present in the original character creation, which goes against the original idea of not limiting creativity.
• For example, if you are making a character theme where you are meant to be small like a leprechaun or some other character that is known for being small, "Mini Me' enhances you character aesthetic greatly, and it's locked behind a long grind and is character specific unlock only not account wide.
• I understand players need endgame content and something to works towards that makes them feel unique which is why I think limiting it to RP only Characters is a fair comprise.

 

 

Putting the Prestige Costume issues aside, being able to have a 50 with a full powerset that is tailored to your look, name and Origin just for RP purposes like costume Contests would be amazing!

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Mystoc

[Rudra]

14 minutes ago, Mystoc said:

•All characters are permanently affected by “Only Affecting Self”  this includes your pets.

So the character will automatically be level 50 and be completely unable to do anything in the game? Just for costume contests?!

 

Sorry, but your proposal makes no sense to me.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Mystoc said:

When homecoming first launched everyone could access capes and auras at level 1

This change was actually done back on Live.

 

14 minutes ago, Mystoc said:

For example, if you are making a character theme where you are meant to be small like a leprechaun or some other character that is known for being small, "Mini Me' enhances you character aesthetic greatly, and it's locked behind a long grind and is character specific unlock only not account wide.

The problem with the prismatics, to the best of my knowledge, is that unlike regular costume options, they stop functioning when your character is defeated. So that small leprechaun, fairy, or other stops being that small. Also, the over-sized head is off-putting to a lot of players. (Edit: Which wouldn't really matter in this case except for the over-sized head since the character would not able to do anything in the game except participate in costume contests per the OP.)

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Rudra
Edited to correct "bot" to "but".

[Mystoc]

11 minutes ago, Rudra said:

So the character will automatically be level 50 and be completely unable to do anything in the game? Just for costume contests?!

 

Sorry, but your proposal makes no sense to me.

 

yeah, not everyone does costume contests, so I get it, just not like everyone does PvP.

 

you can't change your origins or powerset after you make a character for good reason but if you want a character with a name origin and powerset that matches the vision you have for your character along with their costume you must do exactly that many characters use toggles as part of their look so being only level 1 is not going to cut it. the idea is simple have sandbox mode for your characters look and powers but in exchange you cannot fight at all or earn rewards you are there to look awesome and chat with others and that is all.

 

11 minutes ago, Rudra said:

This change was actually done back on Live.

yes and its a change the homecoming devs choose to keep so in the end my meaning is the same.

11 minutes ago, Rudra said:

 

The problem with the prismatics, to the best of my knowledge, is that unlike regular costume options, they stop functioning when your character is defeated. So that small leprechaun, fairy, or other stops being that small. Also, the over-sized head is off-putting to a lot of players.

you won't be defeated though in a costume contest though so I don't see the issue here.

Edited December 31, 2024 by Mystoc

[Rudra]

2 minutes ago, Mystoc said:

yeah, not everyone does costume contests, so I get it, just not like everyone does PvP.

 

you can't change your origins or powerset after you make a character for good reason but if you want a character with a name origin and powerset that matches the vision you have for your character along with their costume you must do exactly that many characters use toggles as part of their look so being only level 1 is not going to cut it. the idea is simple have sandbox mode for your characters look and powers but in exchange you cannot fight at all or earn rewards you are there to look awesome and chat with others and that is all.

However, you can lock out a character name for the sole purpose of costume contests with your proposal. Players participating in costume contests? Go for it. Have fun. Giving players the ability to claim names just for costume contests? I disagree with that. Just make and play your character, and when a costume contest comes up, go participate.

[TheMoneyMaker]

Play the game. Earn your prismatic aethers or influence to buy them, then do costume contests and roleplay with 1st level characters to your heart's content. There's no need to have a functionally non-functional level 50 character just to interact with other players.

[Mystoc]

1 minute ago, Rudra said:

However, you can lock out a character name for the sole purpose of costume contests with your proposal. Players participating in costume contests? Go for it. Have fun. Giving players the ability to claim names just for costume contests? I disagree with that. Just make and play your character, and when a costume contest comes up, go participate.

 

I thought it was a given that you can't reserve names this way temporal warrior doesn't allow this why so would another way get a 50 character with temporal in its name allow it?

 

it's my understanding that 50 temporal warriors are treated as being level 1 the same would be true here of course.

 

 

 

 

[Luminara]

Why should anyone even be allowed to compete in costume contests if they're getting all of the purchasable costume options for free?  Other people pay for the costume options you want for free, aren't they more entitled to the prizes than someone who put 0 inf* into their costumes?

 

Also, why would there need to be a special game mode for players to get an auto-50... to compete in costume contests?  Why do you need to be level 50 to compete in a costume contest?  Is there actual fighting between participants?  Are we now holding costume contest deathmatches or costume contest pudding wrestling shows?

 

This makes about as much sense as tits on a fish.

[Rudra]

At least Temporal Warrior characters are playing the game. They are only doing PvP against other players, but they are still playing the game. You are asking for an instant level 50 character that gets everything for free, just for costume contests and to chat. I still have to say "No". You aren't even playing the game with the OP, at all, so why should the devs devote any time to implementing this? And the price for prismatics has dropped, a lot. They are currently going for 1.3M. That is vastly cheaper than they used to be. So if you really want a level 50 character that you invested no effort in just for costume contests? Join a power leveling farm and buy your prismatics. Then freely sideline your character until the next costume contest all you want.

[Jacke]

It's like Fight Club.  Everyone fights.  Anything else is just wrong.

[Greycat]

16 hours ago, Rudra said:

So the character will automatically be level 50 and be completely unable to do anything in the game? Just for costume contests?!

Sorry, but your proposal makes no sense to me.

 

I don't agree with "for costume contests," but there are times I've wanted "just a person" for various (typically RP related) reasons, and having levels applied would actually help - having walk right away for starters 😉 but also being uninteresting for NPCs to attack in various zones. And they are often recurring (and sometimes "Hey, do you have so and so available..." spur of the moment) characters.

 

It does open up several issues, some with easier solutions, others not so much. The name thing... for this purpose, the name's often fairly important (and for me often not something someone's going to want, most of the time being a *name* since these characters tend to be civilians, but again - that's me) - which could either be handled similar to temporal warriors (they're considered level 1 for the name release policy, so 30 days,) or maybe a forced (C) or something at the beginning for "Civilian."

 

PVP zones... I'm not sure how to handle "but then they can watch and see who's where without being attacked" honestly, because I'd also want them to be able to *access* those zones (and AE, *potentially* missions, though probably not TFs/trials) - again, I've got RP in mind here. Of course, the PVP zones are almost never used for PVP, so this might be moot other than as a technicality.

 

As mentioned... I see several uses for them as far as RP. On the other hand, I also know this'd be more of a corner case / niche use, too. And don't necessarily buy into the prestige costumes (or "for costume contests") argument, for clarity (again.)

Edited January 1 by Greycat

[Rudra]

7 hours ago, Greycat said:

having walk right away for starters

We get Walk at level 2. There is no way anyone can convince me that getting to level 2 is a problem.

 

7 hours ago, Greycat said:

I've wanted "just a person" for various (typically RP related) reasons, and having levels applied would actually help <snip> being uninteresting for NPCs to attack in various zones.

There is no reason for any character to be exempt from having to deal with the zone's enemies for whatever zone the player finds himself/herself/themselves in. And as often as civilians are getting mugged, threatened, and/or killed (usually for body parts) by mobs in the game, there is no reason for the OP to protect the proposed character made in this manner. So the Only Affects Self limitation should only apply to the character being able to do anything, leaving the character wholly susceptible to the mobs in the zones. Want a RP character that is safe in those zones? Make a regular character and level up. Give those mobs reason to not bother you for fear of you stomping them into the ground. So I am also opposed to the idea of a "civilian character" that from the start of creation can willy nilly go anywhere (s)he/they/it wants. So if you just want a "just a person" character for various reasons? Make a character that uses weapons and stop leveling at level 2 so you get Walk.

 

7 hours ago, Greycat said:

PVP zones... I'm not sure how to handle "but then they can watch and see who's where without being attacked" honestly, because I'd also want them to be able to *access* those zones (and AE, *potentially* missions, though probably not TFs/trials) - again, I've got RP in mind here. Of course, the PVP zones are almost never used for PVP, so this might be moot other than as a technicality.

If the OP is implemented, then these characters should still be susceptible to attack by other players in PvP. They are in the PvP zone after all. If PvE only players have to contend with the threat of being attacked in PvP zones, so do these. After all, why would a non-combatant willingly go into a PvP zone where supers are attacking everything in sight in the first place?

 

Regardless, I am still opposed to the OP. Getting a character to level 50 only takes as long as the approach the player decides to implement and there are ample power leveling farms available. And that gives the player the option if (s)he/they decides they suddenly want to actually play the character for any reason the ability to do so.

[Ghost]

6 minutes ago, Rudra said:

We get Walk at level 2. There is no way anyone can convince me that getting to level 2 is a problem.

 

Getting to level 2 is a huuuge problem for many people!

Luckily for those people……Diantane has created a guide!

[lemming]

Well, getting to level 2 is easy, just go thru the tutorial (or whack a couple mobs in atlas/mercy)

 

Having a non-interacting character that can scout out zones, point out people in PvP would be annoying.

 

The only way I could see this as a possible, is that they would be limited to Pocket-D, Echo Plaza, Winter Forest.  A lot of coding for limited use.

[Mystoc]

On 12/31/2024 at 2:33 PM, Luminara said:

Why should anyone even be allowed to compete in costume contests if they're getting all of the purchasable costume options for free?  Other people pay for the costume options you want for free, aren't they more entitled to the prizes than someone who put 0 inf* into their costumes?

 

so you prefer there be a barrier of entry to costume contests behind a 300+ million inf paywall or long grind? Personally, for me I want to be judged based on my creativity not based on if I had the time to grind out an aura or body modification that would have completed my look.

 

and each time you want to create a new character with new powers you have to do that grind all over again, I dont see why creativity should be locked behind a inf paywall or long grind IF it's just for RP and not combat.

 

the people the bought the costumes with PA can still do other content in the game but RP characters are not for fighting or earning rewards. the only way these types of characters would ever get influence is it was traded to them.

 

On 12/31/2024 at 2:33 PM, Luminara said:

 

Also, why would there need to be a special game mode for players to get an auto-50... to compete in costume contests?  Why do you need to be level 50 to compete in a costume contest?  Is there actual fighting between participants?  Are we now holding costume contest deathmatches or costume contest pudding wrestling shows?

 

This makes about as much sense as tits on a fish.

 

you want to be 50 because many costume contests allow you to use power toggles to enhance your look including epic/patron powers as well, many characters do use these toggles to enhance their look it's like another character aura you get to use.

[Snarky]

Can one of the temporal warriors get all incarnate powers as well?  
 

i am interested as it would make doing costume design/power customization much easier to have the kitted out 50. If i like them i can start leveling one…

[Mystoc]

10 minutes ago, Snarky said:

Can one of the temporal warriors get all incarnate powers as well?  
 

i am interested as it would make doing costume design/power customization much easier to have the kitted out 50. If i like them i can start leveling one…

I believe they get Alphas when for PvP and maybe interface too? but some of the other ones are disabled,

 

but that exact line about incaranates is present in the temporal warrior description in game right you can check when you get the time.

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, Mystoc said:

so you prefer there be a barrier of entry to costume contests behind a 300+ million inf paywall or long grind? Personally, for me I want to be judged based on my creativity not based on if I had the time to grind out an aura or body modification that would have completed my look.

So your whole purpose is to get for free what others worked to get. I agree that the auras should never have been placed behind a purchase wall, but it is. And others participating in those costume contests are making use of those auras, and you feel you should get for free what they worked to get?

 

1 hour ago, Mystoc said:

and each time you want to create a new character with new powers you have to do that grind all over again,

Or you have the previous character transfer the prismatics or inf' needed to get the aura you want for your new character.

 

1 hour ago, Mystoc said:

you want to be 50 because many costume contests allow you to use power toggles to enhance your look including epic/patron powers as well, many characters do use these toggles to enhance their look it's like another character aura you get to use.

Power leveling in the game exists. And there are instructions online, including YouTube videos, about how to crank a brand new character to level 50 in just a few hours. I'm sure you will get to participate in all the costume contests you want even on a brand new character at level 50 even if you take the time to power level there.

 

Your proposal adds nothing to the game. It doesn't fix anything. It doesn't add more interesting things to do in the game. It does nothing for the game.

[Snarky]

44 minutes ago, Rudra said:

So your whole purpose is to get for free what others worked to get. I agree that the auras should never have been placed behind a purchase wall, but it is. And others participating in those costume contests are making use of those auras, and you feel you should get for free what they worked to get?

 

Or you have the previous character transfer the prismatics or inf' needed to get the aura you want for your new character.

 

Power leveling in the game exists. And there are instructions online, including YouTube videos, about how to crank a brand new character to level 50 in just a few hours. I'm sure you will get to participate in all the costume contests you want even on a brand new character at level 50 even if you take the time to power level there.

 

Your proposal adds nothing to the game. It doesn't fix anything. It doesn't add more interesting things to do in the game. It does nothing for the game.

I am unsure of the exact details.  But if i could “look” at exactly how everything worked on a toon (powers/auras etc) it would help me a lot.  I leveled a dark dark dominator to 50 and only realized then (never noticed before because it did not matter) that “Domination” is a pretty princess rainbow aura.  So much for that time investment….

[Rudra]

17 minutes ago, Snarky said:

I am unsure of the exact details.  But if i could “look” at exactly how everything worked on a toon (powers/auras etc) it would help me a lot.  I leveled a dark dark dominator to 50 and only realized then (never noticed before because it did not matter) that “Domination” is a pretty princess rainbow aura.  So much for that time investment….

Domination wouldn't be available to the character with the OP because you have to build it up in combat. And there is always the test server to make an instant level 50 character and see how everything looks together or in combat. (Edit: How did you get to 50 without ever popping Domination even once though?)

 

Edited January 2 by Rudra

[Luminara]

1 hour ago, Mystoc said:

so you prefer there be a barrier of entry to costume contests behind a 300+ million inf paywall or long grind?

 

Players aren't restricted from entering costume contests unless they have those costume options.  If they are, that's the player running the contest's choice, not a consequence of the game's design, and it should be taken up with that player, not brought to the development team to resolve.

 

1 hour ago, Mystoc said:

Personally, for me I want to be judged based on my creativity not based on if I had the time to grind out an aura or body modification that would have completed my look.

 

and each time you want to create a new character with new powers you have to do that grind all over again, I dont see why creativity should be locked behind a inf paywall or long grind IF it's just for RP and not combat.

 

Brand new characters are made every week for @Laucianna's weekly costume contest.  They're frequently winning those contests without any of the bells and whistles you're claiming are mandatory.

 

You're not being unfairly restricted by a purchasing requirement, you're restricting yourself and blaming the game.

 

1 hour ago, Mystoc said:

you want to be 50 because many costume contests allow you to use power toggles to enhance your look including epic/patron powers as well, many characters do use these toggles to enhance their look it's like another character aura you get to use.

 

And you have yet to explain why you should be handed what those other players worked to acquire.  Even if they power-leveled their characters to 50, they still invested time into them.  You're not asking for parity, you're asking for a way to sidestep having to make the same investment they did and take a prize they might've earned.  You're saying that you shouldn't have to meet the same requirements they met, and throwing out specious justifications for it.

 

This is, in essence, like insisting that you should be allowed to "participate" in a marathon by being chauffeured from the starting line to the finish line.

 

Nope.  Get those legs moving.

[Snarky]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

(Edit: How did you get to 50 without ever popping Domination even once though?)

 

You can farm a 50 in a few hours    

[Rudra]

16 minutes ago, Snarky said:

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

(Edit: How did you get to 50 without ever popping Domination even once though?)

 

You can farm a 50 in a few hours    

Right. Brain dump moment, sorry.

[golstat2003]

Yeah no. The devs have said the things behind prismatic are

intentionally supposed to be rare. And they did not budge on this decision in the various Open betas since. So this suggestion for a way to bypass that is more than likely dead on arrival.

[Jacke]

6 hours ago, Rudra said:

How did you get to 50 without ever popping Domination even once though?

 

As @Snarky knows, the Dead can often draw on great self-control.  😺

[Videra]

On 12/31/2024 at 2:33 PM, Luminara said:

Why do you need to be level 50 to compete in a costume contest?  Is there actual fighting between participants?  Are we now holding costume contest deathmatches or costume contest pudding wrestling shows?

 

. . . I like it. Let's make this a thing.