PANACEA +hp/end

[Lazarus]

Why does the panacea proc,  "NOT" work in dark armors DARK REGEN.

I tried this on multiple mob groups and not a single proc.

WTH

 

really wanted it to work.

[UltraAlt]

Well, it is a "chance for" 3 times a minute.

 

What is the recharge time on Dark Regen? 

I remember it being kind of long. It would only have a chance to trigger each time that dark regen was used.

 

When it is in health, it is getting triggered far more than 3 times a minute so you are likely to get all 3 "time a minute" every minute. 

[Hedgefund]

I was curious about this so I moved my Pana proc to DR, took a mission with my DA tank and set to +1/8 (it has a level shift), the low difficulty was to make sure to-hit wasn't an issue.

 

I spammed it about 8 times against a team size 8 spawn and easily had the max targets of 10 in range.  I too saw it fire off 0 times. 

 

My real quick "while having my first coffee" math says I should have a 26.79% chance to fire against one enemy.

 

For me to get 0 activations against 80 mobs is  (1-.2679) ^ 80.  Crunch that if you want, but it's obviously a very very small number.  That's > 0, meaning it COULD happen, but nah, I'm willing to say it's not working in Dark Regen.  To the OP's question of "why"?  Dunno.

 

When I reslotted it back into Health I would see activations in the tab I set up for healing, just to head off a potential "but whut about..." for if I was monitoring correctly.

 

For yucks I just did this another 10 times, still no Pana activations.

Edited Wednesday at 12:59 PM by Hedgefund

[JJDrakken]

It's a reason stuff like that is best inside Toggles or Passives.

 

 

[Maelwys]

On 3/5/2025 at 12:54 PM, Hedgefund said:

For yucks I just did this another 10 times, still no Pana activations.

It's very likely trying (and failing) to activate the Proc effect on the critters; not the caster.
Power target flags get rather murky with +HP/+Recovery effects.
 

Edited Thursday at 02:26 PM by Maelwys

[Captain Fabulous]

20 minutes ago, Maelwys said:

It's very likely trying (and failing) to activate the Proc effect on the critters; not the caster.
Power target flags get rather murky with +HP/+Recovery effects.
 

This ^^^

[Lazarus]

17 hours ago, Maelwys said:

It's very likely trying (and failing) to activate the Proc effect on the critters; not the caster.
Power target flags get rather murky with +HP/+Recovery effects.

How so,. Theft of Essence +END works great.

 

I havent tried panacea in any other heals the require an acc check. 

 

Just checked it in DNA SIPHON doesnt work in there either,.. its a shame

Edited Friday at 07:38 AM by Lazarus

[Maelwys]

39 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

How so,. Theft of Essence +END works great.

Theft of essence is an ACCURATE healing set, it's designed to be used in offensive abilities.

https://cod.uberguy.net./html/power.html?power=boosts.attuned_theft_of_essence_f.attuned_theft_of_essence_f

Note the check for SOURCE>ENTTYPE=PLAYER and the fact that it only applies on SELF.

 

Panacea is a REGULAR healing set. It's designed to work in support abilities and passives.

https://cod.uberguy.net./html/power.html?power=boosts.attuned_panacea_f.attuned_panacea_f

Note the check for TARGET.ISFRIEND and the fact it applies on ALL AFFECTED TARGETS.

 

Saying that the way abilities work in CoH is "a bit convoluted" is like saying that the Atlantic Ocean is "a bit damp".

Some targeted offensive abilities will consider the caster a target and will apply a Healing or Endurance buff to them directly. Other targeted offensive abilities will only consider nearby critters a target and will apply a Healing or Endurance effect to the caster as a result of hitting those targets.

You can see this occuring in stuff like the Ice and Fire Blaster sustains - slotting things like the Performance Shifter and Power Transfer Procs into them technically does work, but it only gets a chance to kick in if/when an enemy target is within range.

 

Edited Friday at 08:10 AM by Maelwys