Please make MM upgrade powers passive

[Riverdusk]

1 minute ago, Rudra said:

If you are summoning a whole fresh set of pets, by the time your character finishes animating the last power, even if the last pet is not yet targetable, you can select any other pet, apply the upgrades, and all pets still get them. If you are summoning replacements, then target any existing pet, including Dark Servant if you went /dark, or any combat NPC being escorted, and apply the upgrades to them, and it applies to all your pets. Pet summon completion time is easily bypassed.

 

Fair enough, I forget that trick a lot of times in the heat of combat.

[Rudra]

1 minute ago, Riverdusk said:

 

Fair enough, I forget that trick a lot of times in the heat of combat.

Also, as a heads up in case anyone is unaware, if you are having problems targeting one of your pets for anything? Whether an upgrade or a heal or any other reason? Simply click them in the pet window and it selects them.

[gameboy1234]

13 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Unfortunately, the Homecoming developers have already said that they will not make the upgrades passive. I think that summoning and resumming and upgrading is part of the intended gameplay loop.

 

I suppose I could go find the post if you really need me to.

 

It was part of the game play loop when the recharge time of the upgrade powers was much longer, and only one pet could be upgraded at a time.  Right now, the upgrade recharge is so short that it's just busy work.  There's no "game play" there, it's just tedium.  I'm not advocating for returning the powers to their old behavior, but I do think that there's no game play or good design in the current scheme any more.  It needs at rethink, or at least some tweaks.  Making the upgrade powers automatic based the pets' current level would be good too, and would work with the level scaling in the mentor/sidekick system.

 

[gameboy1234]

14 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Also, as a heads up in case anyone is unaware, if you are having problems targeting one of your pets for anything? Whether an upgrade or a heal or any other reason? Simply click them in the pet window and it selects them.

 

You can also clear your target with Esc, and then mash the upgrade power twice.  They work just like any other targeted power.  The first mash with a clear target selects the closest available valid target, the second mash fires off the power.

 

My cursor can often get lost in the screen confusion, I find this more reliable than trying to click when things are really happening fast.

 

[Rudra]

3 minutes ago, gameboy1234 said:

 

It was part of the game play loop when the recharge time of the upgrade powers was much longer, and only one pet could be upgraded at a time.  Right now, the upgrade recharge is so short that it's just busy work.  There's no "game play" there, it's just tedium. 

I may be wrong, but I believe the reduced recharge times and the AoE upgrade effects were implemented on Live. So that would make you wrong about the game play loop as described not being relevant. And it isn't tedium since it does affect all pets and the MMs secondaries can keep the pets alive so as to not need to be re-summoned and re-upgraded that often.

[kwsapphire]

8 hours ago, Col. Kernel said:

There are keybinds for targetting teammates.  How do I make a keybind to target a specific one of my T1 or T2 henchmen?  I'm not making custom keybinds to tag my T1s and T2s by name for every MM I have.

 

 

That's exactly what I do though, make custom targeting macros for each pet on every MM. 🙂 The first six buttons in Tray 2 are pet select macros. Tray 1, for my pacifists. I'm not saying you should do this. It's the only way to select specific pets (without clicking in the pet window), though, I'm afraid. 

Edited 12 hours ago by kwsapphire

[kwsapphire]

3 hours ago, Rudra said:

And neither does the MM have to do anything at all a lot of the time. I've set my MMs to Walk through entire maps and not hit a single key other than for moving the character and completely cleared the maps. Can a Blaster do that? We have trade offs for the ATs. Each excels and is hampered in different ways.

 

Honestly? Sounds like you're a terrible Mastermind. My Pacifist/Soloists are more active than that. I'll make a note not to team with you, if you can't be bothered to even use your secondaries. 

[kwsapphire]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

Also, as a heads up in case anyone is unaware, if you are having problems targeting one of your pets for anything? Whether an upgrade or a heal or any other reason? Simply click them in the pet window and it selects them.

 

Not if they haven't finished being summoned. You can click on the pet window all you want, you can't select them until they're "here." (Edit) And FWIW, it's totally possible for the Upgrade power to miss a pet that hasn't finished summoning. I just tested it again to be sure, and am happy to record and post to YouTube if anyone has doubts.

Edited 12 hours ago by kwsapphire

[battlewraith]

5 minutes ago, kwsapphire said:

 

Honestly? Sounds like you're a terrible Mastermind. My Pacifist/Soloists are more active than that. I'll make a note not to team with you, if you can't be bothered to even use your secondaries. 

I keep wondering what the level settings were for this scenario lol.

[Rudra]

22 minutes ago, kwsapphire said:

 

Honestly? Sounds like you're a terrible Mastermind. My Pacifist/Soloists are more active than that. I'll make a note not to team with you, if you can't be bothered to even use your secondaries. 

Holy hells. Way to misinterpret what is being said. The point is that I can very much with any of my MMs regardless of primary-secondary combination just turn on Walk on the character and be perfectly safe as my henchmen annihilate everything on the map trying to threaten me. What I am not saying is that I don't use my secondaries, because when I'm on teams or running through +4/x8 on my MMs, I do. Damn, how can you misread my post that badly?!

 

23 minutes ago, kwsapphire said:

 

Not if they haven't finished being summoned. You can click on the pet window all you want, you can't select them until they're "here." (Edit) And FWIW, it's totally possible for the Upgrade power to miss a pet that hasn't finished summoning. I just tested it again to be sure, and am happy to record and post to YouTube if anyone has doubts.

You can select any pet in the pet window and that pet will be selected. If you are trying to upgrade a pet you just summoned and you have other pets? Select one of the other pets and apply the upgrade through them. It's that simple. Or are you intentionally misreading my posts?

[kwsapphire]

13 minutes ago, Rudra said:

I can very much with any of my MMs regardless of primary-secondary combination just turn on Walk on the character and be perfectly safe as my henchmen annihilate everything on the map trying to threaten me.

 

Bald-faced lie. Unless you're only going into missions you've out-leveled so far that everything is gray. Or you have a whole team carrying you. 

 

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You can select any pet in the pet window and that pet will be selected. If you are trying to upgrade a pet you just summoned and you have other pets? Select one of the other pets and apply the upgrade through them. It's that simple. Or are you intentionally misreading my posts?

 

As I said, the Upgrade powers can and will miss pets that haven't finished summoning. So yes, you can select another pet and upgrade it... and the newly not-quite-yet-summoned pet won't be upgraded. But I guess if you're "walking" through missions of gray enemies, it doesn't matter if some of your pets miss the upgrade, huh?

Edited 11 hours ago by kwsapphire

[Rudra]

2 minutes ago, kwsapphire said:

14 minutes ago, Rudra said:

I can very much with any of my MMs regardless of primary-secondary combination just turn on Walk on the character and be perfectly safe as my henchmen annihilate everything on the map trying to threaten me.

 

Bald-faced lie. Unless you're only going into missions you've out-leveled so far that everything is gray. Or you have a whole team carrying you. 

Don't call me a liar. I run my MMs at +0-+2/x3 and just walk through missions. It's not difficult. At all. No team necessary. And you can't get inf' from grey mobs. An MM with sufficiently built pets can take on anything in the game unless you max the difficult and tank it. I ran my MMs through Lambda routinely before I stopped bothering with the iTrials. And never had a problem keeping my character or my pets alive. Can't Walk through them, you have to practice active pet management and keep an eye on everything going on, but it was never a difficult task. Even Marauder's nuke wasn't a problem. You just watch for the trigger, pull your pets out of the radius, and then send them back to beat on him some more after the nuke. There is no other AT in the game except maybe Controllers/Dominators that can just walk through missions without bothering to do anything at all and be perfectly safe.

 

7 minutes ago, kwsapphire said:

As I said, the Upgrade powers can and will miss pets that haven't finished summoning. So yes, you can select another pet and upgrade it... and the newly not-quite-yet-summoned pet won't be upgraded. But I guess if you're "walking" through missions of gray enemies, it doesn't matter if some of your pets miss the upgrade, huh?

I have never in my life playing this game after the pet upgrades went AoE had that problem of my upgrades missing my pets unless the pet somehow ran to the far end of room/map outside of Supremacy range. And if the pet did? I select that pet, set it to passive, upgrade it, and then it's all good.

[arcane]

To be fair to Rudra here, isn’t every mastermind terrible?

[kwsapphire]

15 minutes ago, arcane said:

To be fair to Rudra here, isn’t every mastermind terrible?

 

A lot of people seem to feel that way, and this very thread is a request to make them slightly less terrible, so.. yes? 😄

 

I still love them. I'm a glutton for punishment. 

[Ghost]

35 minutes ago, arcane said:

To be fair to Rudra here, isn’t every mastermind terrible?

And that’s why they are going to be eliminated from the game.

 

Think of all the wonderful “suggestions” it will eliminate from the forums!