"My" dream Archtype to play.

[Jitsuko]

This is my opinion, based on my playstyle, so hear me out! Imagine a Reverse Controller, basically a Defender primary with Control secondary. 

[Snarky]

25 minutes ago, Jitsuko said:

This is my opinion, based on my playstyle, so hear me out! Imagine a Reverse Controller, basically a Defender primary with Control secondary. 

you want the Defender Primary and Controller Secondary.  so... 2 buff debuff sets.....  

 

i am confused.  Defender Primary buff sets are pretty good.  you think you need more of that to be truly happy?  (build recharge...)

[Jitsuko]

I'll try to explain it simpler, take the Controller, and switch the primary to secondary, and make the secondary, the primary. As I said, a reversed Controller.

[biostem]

1 hour ago, Jitsuko said:

a Defender primary with Control secondary.

OK, so I think the point of confusion is that you said "Defender Primary", which is buff/debuff/healing/support, but then "Control secondary", which I think some took as "Controller secondary", which would also be buff/debuff/healing/support, hence the misunderstanding.  That being said, what sort of inherent would this proposed AT have, what kind of damage/HP/modifiers do you envision them as having, and what would set them apart from Controllers?

[Mopery]

Call it The Pacifist, maybe the Pacifier?

[MTeague]

I mean, you can sorta-kinda-sorta do that now?  The level experience would be different, but the end would be the same as a 50 controller, basically.

 

What you would you envision differently in terms of an Inherent?

I'm just thinking you're going to be hurting for the ability to defeat foes, especially if you don't have Controller's "Containment" inherent.

[Snarky]

1 hour ago, Jitsuko said:

I'll try to explain it simpler, take the Controller, and switch the primary to secondary, and make the secondary, the primary. As I said, a reversed Controller.

those Control sets were balanced as PRIMARY sets.  You want 2 Primary Sets, and have just occluded the discussion (intentionally or unintentionally)  unless... you want the control sets reworked and detuned to be secondary sets.

 

this leaves out how many Dev man-hours it would take to create the beast...

[Uncle Shags]

So full strength defender primary with .75 strength controller set as secondary. Maybe they could just lower the hold duration and such. 

 

Or... I got it! Defender with Ice Blast and Ice epic. ST holds, aoe slows, aoe sleep, and an ice pet!  With full strength defender support.  

 

There you go! 

[shortguy on indom]

3 hours ago, Jitsuko said:

a reversed Controller.

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[Andreah]

I get it, and it could be cool; A defender with a control secondary instead of a ranged. I don't know how many people would play it, or how hard it would be to put together by devs.

[Scarlet Shocker]

I've often thought about something like this.

 

I think as a solo project it would totally blow. Imagine playing a Rad/Storm or Poison/Thermal or somesuch. That would be awful to solo even with the use of Nemesis Staff, Blackwand et al.

 

It would absolutely wreck bosses but somebody else would need to do the damage. The only way to make those characters viable would be to susbstitute a couple of primary powers for attacks of a similar style.

 

One would also have to ensure that a primaries and secondaries could not be the same. A Storm/Storm would be not only chaos - and aside from the point that Steamy Mist wouldn't stack with Steamy Mist the thought of popping Freezing Rain down twice in short succession would ruin the gameplay for anyone even interested in a challenge.

 

I do love the idea but it would need a massive amount of work to make it viable; hence I doubt it has legs. The development and balancing time to make it work would be a huge diversion even for a professional development team let alone a group of volunteers.

 

Having read the OP's subsequent explanations that's basically a detuned controller - higher (de)buffs/support than a controller and weaker control than a controller - that doesn't add much to the game. It's just a weakened Controller with a quirk. Again, lots of dev time for no real aim.

 

Now if you wanted a new AT that brings something really interesting to the game, how about a tanker set allied with a control set...  Dark Armour/Darkness Affinity anyone? How about Willpower/Plant?  Again, they offer some interesting grooves but would need lots of work to make happen. Something like that would allow a character to get up close and personal, but wouldn't give the control required because it wouldn't have the de/buffs to take on strong foes when solo.

 

Sentinels provide some insight into this - they have had a long and interesting journey but have required a lot of work to come good.

 

The concept is interesting but I think the case needs to be made better.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Scarlet Shocker