Focused Feedback: Controller - Archetype Inherent Changes

[The Curator]

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 Controllers

• Containment now allows Controllers to command their Tier 9 pets.
• Containment now also triggers on critters that are Terrified.
• Containment now also triggers on critters that have been asleep in the last 3 seconds.
• Containment damage now has an additional "Containment" float message across all sets.
• The following controller pets now have a 33.33% chance to proc containment damage:
  •  Darkness Control > Shades
  •  Darkness Control > Umbra Beast
  •  Earth Control > Volcanic Gases
  •  Earth Control > Animated Stone
  •  Electric Control > Gremlins
  •  Fire Control > Bonfire
  •  Fire Control > Fire Imps
  •  Gravity Control > Singularity
  •  Ice Control > Ice Slick
  •  Ice Control > Jack Frost
  •  Illusion Control > Phantasm
  •  Plant Control > Carrion Creepers (Entangle attack only)
  •  Plant Control > Fly Trap
  •  Pyrotechnic Control > Catherine Wheel
  •  Symphony Control > Reverberant

 

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Design Notes:

These changes should make many control sets a lot more viable for controllers, especially Electric and Arsenal control.

 

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[KaizenSoze]

You have pet controls now!

 

Shout out to @Ridiculous Girl

/macro_image "PetCommand_Stance_Aggressive" ATTK  petcom_all attack aggressive
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Goto" GOTO petcom_all goto
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Stay" STAY petcom_all stay passive
same with the Stay command it will stay in play until you are 500ft away
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Dismiss" DISMISS petcom_all dismiss
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Bodyguard" BG petcom_all follow defensive

[skoryy]

Initial test running +2/x8 with my fully loaded Elec/Time.  Yes, yesss, yesssssss!

 

"My God, its full of Containment and Overpower!"

[Shin Magmus]

     Pet Controls will be huge for sets like Gravity Control.  The previous workaround was keybinds and macros to select Singularity, and TP it to your location (these had to be doubletapped to work).  Now we can just send him into the center of a group.  Additionally, the ability to simply put pets on Passive and stop them from going crazy will be a huge boon.  Lastly, Terrorize Containment is long overdue, and this will lead to an era of Mind and Illusion Controller dominance with AoE dmg sets that I feel like nobody is currently predicting.

[skoryy]

Okay, actual serious feedback time now I've tried a little and thought on it.

 

Not sure if bug or WAI: I was running a sewer and had my Phantasm set to BG petcom_all follow defensive.  This resulted in him getting stuck behind walls and not reacting if I was attacked.  If I set him an attack order, however, he popped right out and started blasting.

 

+2/x8 isn't a problem as long as I can manage aggro, and even +4/x8 seems doable if I'm even more careful. My current builds are proc'd to high heaven, so I'm curious if there'd be an improvement or not if I switched back to more straight damage.  I'll have to put together an alternate build to find out.  EDIT: All the new Containment pop-ups had me giddy until I realized that there's only more chances for it to spawn, not that it has a greater chance to spawn and does more damage.

Edited Tuesday at 04:16 PM by skoryy

[legendaryjman]

Do Dominators get to control their pets too or is it only a Controller thing?

[StarkWhite]

Controller only, 

[dukedukes]

I see the command "STAY petcom_all stay passive" works for stopping the pet but the button (Heel) in the pet UI does not. The macro is all I needed but thought this was worth mentioning. Amazing change! A bit sad Dominators won't have this for dealing with TP'ing Singularity around, stopping sings movement makes it so much easier to work with.

[ZamuelNow]

Fought the GM in Kallisti and Tri Cannon behaved itself.  Really liking this.  If I accidentally aggro a zone spawn, it can because I forgot to put it on Passive and not because it attacks everything.

[Ridiculous Girl]

3 hours ago, skoryy said:

Not sure if bug or WAI: I was running a sewer and had my Phantasm set to BG petcom_all follow defensive.  This resulted in him getting stuck behind walls and not reacting if I was attacked.  If I set him an attack order, however, he popped right out and started blasting.

phantasm phantasms... 😁

[Ridiculous Girl]

5 hours ago, KaizenSoze said:

/macro_image "PetCommand_Stance_Aggressive" ATTK  petcom_all attack aggressive
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Goto" GOTO petcom_all goto
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Stay" STAY petcom_all stay passive
same with the Stay command it will stay in play until you are 500ft away
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Dismiss" DISMISS petcom_all dismiss
/macro_image "PetCommand_Action_Bodyguard" BG petcom_all follow defensive

just to clarify... with goto and stay, the pet will stay in place until the player is 500ft away, then it will teleport to the player. apparently this is how it always worked, but it was never really noticible before... 

 

and, naturally MM bodyguard mode does not work with controllers, the pet will just follow on defensive. 🙂

[General Idiot]

2 hours ago, dukedukes said:

I see the command "STAY petcom_all stay passive" works for stopping the pet but the button (Heel) in the pet UI does not. The macro is all I needed but thought this was worth mentioning. Amazing change! A bit sad Dominators won't have this for dealing with TP'ing Singularity around, stopping sings movement makes it so much easier to work with.

I could be wrong but I'm reasonably sure the heel button on the UI intentionally does follow passive, not stay passive.

[dukedukes]

3 minutes ago, General Idiot said:

I could be wrong but I'm reasonably sure the heel button on the UI intentionally does follow passive, not stay passive.

You're likely right, thanks. I haven't played MM so I'm likely not understanding the intention. Attack/follow/stay was my expectation but your explanation makes sense.

[ScarySai]

Doms should be able to control their pets as well.

[Riverdusk]

10 hours ago, skoryy said:

 

 

Not sure if bug or WAI: I was running a sewer and had my Phantasm set to BG petcom_all follow defensive.  This resulted in him getting stuck behind walls and not reacting if I was attacked.  If I set him an attack order, however, he popped right out and started blasting.

 

 

 

Were you moving through the sewers while flying/hovering?  I've noticed in the past if I use hover to move through the sewer doorways it causes phantasm to fly just high enough off the ground following me that he gets stuck in those open sewer doorways all the time.  Very annoying as hovering as an illusion controller is kind of a common choice.

[skoryy]

3 minutes ago, Riverdusk said:

 

Were you moving through the sewers while flying/hovering?  I've noticed in the past if I use hover to move through the sewer doorways it causes phantasm to fly just high enough off the ground following me that he gets stuck in those open sewer doorways all the time.  Very annoying as hovering as an illusion controller is kind of a common choice.

 

Yep, that'd be it.  I was hovering.

[Ridiculous Girl]

11 hours ago, dukedukes said:

You're likely right, thanks. I haven't played MM so I'm likely not understanding the intention. Attack/follow/stay was my expectation but your explanation makes sense.

i believe that "heel" come from the dog training commands, where they are literally supposed to follow at your heel.

[Faultline]

10 hours ago, ScarySai said:

Doms should be able to control their pets as well.

 

Controller started as heroes, and their pets are dogs - they see you as part of the pack, and will gladly help you. They just learned to follow new commands, just to please you!

 

Dominator started as villains, and their pets are cats - they will do whatever the heck they want, if that inconveniences you, deal with it, that's why you have a cat.

 

No points for guessing if I'm a cat or a dog person.

[ScarySai]

My dark control dog is a cat now, I guess.

[skoryy]

7 hours ago, Faultline said:

 

Controller started as heroes, and their pets are dogs - they see you as part of the pack, and will gladly help you. They just learned to follow new commands, just to please you!

 

Dominator started as villains, and their pets are cats - they will do whatever the heck they want, if that inconveniences you, deal with it, that's why you have a cat.

 

No points for guessing if I'm a cat or a dog person.

 

This is why I play controllers, my cats have enough control over my life as it is. 😄

[Shin Magmus]

15 minutes ago, ScarySai said:

My dark control dog is a cat now, I guess.

That's right.  Faultline has spoken.

[DemonSeed]

18 hours ago, ScarySai said:

Doms should be able to control their pets as well.

Let Trollers do something better for once 😫. 

[Lazarillo]

8 minutes ago, DemonSeed said:

Let Trollers do something better for once 😫. 

I mean, Controllers get to, like, already keep their pets out on live. 

Not that I don't think the change makes a certain amount of sense, and suits Controllers more, and whatnot, but I gotta wonder why it feels like Dominator pets even exist sometimes.

[Proteus50]

48 minutes ago, Lazarillo said:

I mean, Controllers get to, like, already keep their pets out on live. 

Not that I don't think the change makes a certain amount of sense, and suits Controllers more, and whatnot, but I gotta wonder why it feels like Dominator pets even exist sometimes.

 

I have a few Doms with no pets.. dont need em.. dont want em.. Some of us dont like dogs OR cats.. LOL

[BZRKR]

1 hour ago, ScarySai said:

My dark control dog is a cat now, I guess.

You know, I'd be happy if Dominators (only) got a Giant Black Cat power customization option. Maybe based on the ones in Night Ward?