raven9864 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I don't know how Gold Side is utilized on other servers, but (at least to my observations) its a ghost town on Everlasting. There's a lot of great story potential in it, and its kind of a shame to see so much effort put into what is basically a starter zone that no one starts in. I know the First and Night Wards kind of continue things, but honestly the content in them has very little feel of the Praetorian experience. I've asked about Letting Praetorians expand into the co-op zones like RWZ (and co-op zones ONLY) and got trolled hard for it in various channels in the game. So, I'm putting it to Devs. Access to Ouroboros would at the very least make sense. Why can Heroes and Rogues use it but not Praetorians. I mean it IS time travel. It would give people who (for whatever reasons they call their own) that want a way to keep a Loyalist or Resistance tag a way to get to 50 that doesn't involve AE farming in Pocket D, and keep a praetorian designation. I don't think it is going to break any story lore, and might help get a neglected point of play experience more utilized. Please don't troll me. Its a serious question and the answer asks very little to be put into action. (time travel, remember?) PS-this would also facilitate getting Praetorian characters to open up Incarnate slots which they already built in, but with no real way to get to get to that point except AE farming in PD. Thank you for your time.
starro Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I am still fatigued at years of too much Praetoria back on Live while Prime earth was neglected. Development on Praetoria for zone concepts, new art assets and game flow were really good but never seen by the people who only played heroes. However… yeah if there is a passionate developer with something new - stick it on Primal Earth too! Pineapple 🍍 Pizza 🍕 is my thumbs up.
raven9864 Posted 20 hours ago Author Posted 20 hours ago 14 minutes ago, starro said: I am still fatigued at years of too much Praetoria back on Live while Prime earth was neglected. Development on Praetoria for zone concepts, new art assets and game flow were really good but never seen by the people who only played heroes. However… yeah if there is a passionate developer with something new - stick it on Primal Earth too! I'm not asking for new content. I'm just asking for access to co-op zones. It would take minimal effort to do that on story end of things. Maybe im not phrasing myself right. Everytime I ask about gold side being allowed access to co-op zones ONLY, I get answers about new conteent and an overhaul of Gold side not being feasible. I have never asked any of that. Starro-how do you feel about Praetorians being allowed to co-op zones ONLY?
raven9864 Posted 20 hours ago Author Posted 20 hours ago Let's look at it this way Cole is an Incarnate. Its silly to think he doesn't at least know of Ouroboros. With his kingdom destroyed, why would he not seek to restore it by any means neccessary. Including time travel? It's not a stretch.
raven9864 Posted 20 hours ago Author Posted 20 hours ago Just now, raven9864 said: Let's look at it this way Cole is an Incarnate. Its silly to think he doesn't at least know of Ouroboros. With his kingdom destroyed, why would he not seek to restore it by any means neccessary. Including time travel? It's not a stretch. But that still isn't what I'm asking. Co-op access. That's the talking point.
Lunar Ronin Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago Co-op zones would include Striga Isle, Cimerora, RWZ, and Dark Astoria, which would make no sense for Praetorians to have access to as they have not yet crossed over to Primal Earth. Ouroboros was originally limited to Primal Earth only because it was for time travel for Primal Earth. However, SCoRE/Resurgence opened that Pandora's Box by allowing Ouroboros Flashback to Praetorian story arcs, so I could see allowing Praetorians access to Ouroboros, but Ouroboros only. Also, people definitely play gold side. However, they play gold side solo, because teaming gold side is a royal pain in the rear. The original six Praetorian zones were specifically designed for solo play. It's not really meant for teaming. When I play gold side (and I do, frequently), even on Indomitable, I see quite a few other people running by me, or training... but we're all just ships passing each other in the night. None team. That's just the way gold side is, and that's the way it will always be. Regarding Incarnate slots and abilities, Praetorians can do Incarnate trials. The only limitation there is the other players. I know that Incarnate trials are overwhelmingly formed in Ouroboros on the Excelsior and Everlasting shards, but that is not the case for the other shards. They're formed in Pocket D and/or Echo Plaza, both of which Praetorians have access to and can join just fine. Blame the players. 1 hour ago, starro said: I am still fatigued at years of too much Praetoria back on Live while Prime earth was neglected. Development on Praetoria for zone concepts, new art assets and game flow were really good but never seen by the people who only played heroes. However… yeah if there is a passionate developer with something new - stick it on Primal Earth too! To be fair, that is entirely on the players who are so limited in view that they focus entirely on heroes and ignore two thirds of the game. There's tons of other content out there, they just completely ignore it. Then get bored and wonder why the game is so easy. 2 1
golstat2003 Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Lunar Ronin said: Co-op zones would include Striga Isle, Cimerora, RWZ, and Dark Astoria, which would make no sense for Praetorians to have access to as they have not yet crossed over to Primal Earth. Ouroboros was originally limited to Primal Earth only because it was for time travel for Primal Earth. However, SCoRE/Resurgence opened that Pandora's Box by allowing Ouroboros Flashback to Praetorian story arcs, so I could see allowing Praetorians access to Ouroboros, but Ouroboros only. Also, people definitely play gold side. However, they play gold side solo, because teaming gold side is a royal pain in the rear. The original six Praetorian zones were specifically designed for solo play. It's not really meant for teaming. When I play gold side (and I do, frequently), even on Indomitable, I see quite a few other people running by me, or training... but we're all just ships passing each other in the night. None team. That's just the way gold side is, and that's the way it will always be. Regarding Incarnate slots and abilities, Praetorians can do Incarnate trials. The only limitation there is the other players. I know that Incarnate trials are overwhelmingly formed in Ouroboros on the Excelsior and Everlasting shards, but that is not the case for the other shards. They're formed in Pocket D and/or Echo Plaza, both of which Praetorians have access to and can join just fine. Blame the players. To be fair, that is entirely on the players who are so limited in view that they focus entirely on heroes and ignore two thirds of the game. There's tons of other content out there, they just completely ignore it. Then get bored and wonder why the game is so easy. Or they've already finished Goldside, Redside, Blueside multi times. *raises hand* 1 1
Lunar Ronin Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 4 minutes ago, golstat2003 said: Or they've already finished Goldside, Redside, Blueside multi times. *raises hand* Yes, but I was specifically responding to the part about people who only play heroes. 1 1
lemming Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago Yep, Praetorians can do itrials, etc... as long as they launch from zones they can access. I suspect zones like Ouro may have issues with how funky the alignment system works, but if Praetorians can use Pocket D, then maybe? And yea, I do play Gold, but like Lunar, I play solo there. I had a couple level 50 Praetorians, but now I just swap over at 20 and still do the First Ward, etc... 2
MTeague Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago I have eleven goldsiders and I really enjoy those story arcs. But I plan to solo each character there, for at least the 1-20. I would not be opposed to joining a team for those, but the very first thing I would do is set it to "No Xp" for my character. I want to finish ALL of the story arcs that I think make sense for that character, giving the personality and backstory I created for each one. If that meant my teammate rapidly outlevelled me, then I would wish them well if they wanted to continue without me, but i am NOT outlevelling any story arcs there for anyone else. 2 .
MTeague Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago For what it's worth, there are a number of player-created Story Arcs in AE that expand on Praetorian content. @Darmian in particular has some great ones. No, that's not quite the same as what you're asking, but they're very much worth a playthrough. 2 1 .
skoryy Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 2 hours ago, raven9864 said: I don't know how Gold Side is utilized on other servers, but (at least to my observations) its a ghost town on Everlasting. There's a lot of great story potential in it, and its kind of a shame to see so much effort put into what is basically a starter zone that no one starts in. I know the First and Night Wards kind of continue things, but honestly the content in them has very little feel of the Praetorian experience. I've asked about Letting Praetorians expand into the co-op zones like RWZ (and co-op zones ONLY) and got trolled hard for it in various channels in the game. So, I'm putting it to Devs. Access to Ouroboros would at the very least make sense. Why can Heroes and Rogues use it but not Praetorians. I mean it IS time travel. It would give people who (for whatever reasons they call their own) that want a way to keep a Loyalist or Resistance tag a way to get to 50 that doesn't involve AE farming in Pocket D, and keep a praetorian designation. I don't think it is going to break any story lore, and might help get a neglected point of play experience more utilized. Please don't troll me. Its a serious question and the answer asks very little to be put into action. (time travel, remember?) PS-this would also facilitate getting Praetorian characters to open up Incarnate slots which they already built in, but with no real way to get to get to that point except AE farming in PD. Thank you for your time. Praetorian content ends because Praetoria ends. Yeah, time travel, but why? The future is Praetorians stuck on Primal Earth and the content that can provide. And I can kinda see the lack of interest in Praetoria because of that. "Why am I doing all of this if almost all the land and people are gonna become Hami food and then I go Primal Earth and become just another cape doing cape things?" And you'd need people who want to play goldside and, uh, its not because of the lack of content after Night Ward. But that's for when I'm done through my own goldside replay and 'How To Make Praetoria Suck Less' thread. (Early level 11 spoiler: Nerf ghouls.) 2 Everlasting's Actionette, Guardian Echo Five, Sunflare, and Officer Foxfire! Also Starwave, Nightlight, and many more!
Psyonico Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago I don't necessarily agree with Praetorians having access to all co-op zones, but I wouldn't have a problem with them being able to access Ouroboros. I do have a question about that though. I admit I'm not super well versed in Praetorian lore, but are there any story arcs in Praetorian that would make sense to grant the "Entrusted with the Secret" badge? 2 What this team needs is more Defenders
Rudra Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 3 hours ago, raven9864 said: I've asked about Letting Praetorians expand into the co-op zones like RWZ (and co-op zones ONLY) and got trolled hard for it in various channels in the game. So, I'm putting it to Devs. Access to Ouroboros would at the very least make sense. Why can Heroes and Rogues use it but not Praetorians. I mean it IS time travel. It doesn't fit the lore. Ouroboros is/was founded to save Primal Earth from Battalion, I mean, The Coming Storm. Yes, you can do all Praetoria content via Ouroboros, but that is mission and badge access. (And as far as I know, Praetorians can make use of the Crystals of Fire and Ice to do the same thing.) The Rikti War Zone does not affect Praetoria. Praetorians don't even know it exists except for maybe the Praetors. And until Praetorian characters go Hero or Villain as part of going to Primal Earth to either try to prevent the impending war between Primal and Praetorian Earths or to seize what power they can before said war, Praetorian characters possess limited awareness of Primal Earth and no reason to go to Primal Earth and help fight against the Rikti. Especially since their own world is still on the brink of annihilation at the ends of Hamidon and the Devouring Earth. Same thing with Dark Astoria and Mot. Same thing with Kallisti Wharf. Especially since Kallisti Wharf lacks any major threat to draw even the Praetors' attention. So while I understand your desire, your request does not fit the game's established lore.
Rudra Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, raven9864 said: Let's look at it this way Cole is an Incarnate. Its silly to think he doesn't at least know of Ouroboros. With his kingdom destroyed, why would he not seek to restore it by any means neccessary. Including time travel? It's not a stretch. Incarnates can exist in the game without Ouroboros and the Coming Storm. Ouroboros can technically exist without there being Incarnates. However, Ouroboros exists to prevent the Coming Storm or at least give Primal Earth a fighting chance against it, and the Coming Storm is coming to Primal Earth because of the Well of the Furies, so there is a tie-in. What isn't stated though, is if there is a Praetorian dimension version of Battalion running around devouring worlds or not. With the differences we've seen between Praetoria and Primal Earth, their Battalion may be benign, trapped, dead, or who knows what else. (The exploration of which could be great new content if done right.) Tyrant's kingdom isn't destroyed. (Until he destroys it as part of his war against Primal Earth and his subsequent downfall.) In Praetoria, Tyrant literally watched entire cities be destroyed by Hamidon and the Devouring Earth before finally stepping in to save some people. He doesn't care about his own world at large. He cares about his image and status. And not making the Praetorian Hamidon angry. (Otherwise he would have attempted to find a way to time travel and prevent his world from nuking their Hamidon and making it more powerful.)
Rudra Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 17 minutes ago, Psyonico said: I don't necessarily agree with Praetorians having access to all co-op zones, but I wouldn't have a problem with them being able to access Ouroboros. I do have a question about that though. I admit I'm not super well versed in Praetorian lore, but are there any story arcs in Praetorian that would make sense to grant the "Entrusted with the Secret" badge? No. There are no story arcs in Praetoria where they interact with time travellers or are themselves thrown through time.
Darmian Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, Rudra said: The Rikti War Zone does not affect Praetoria. Except it does. Oh not the fight against the Rikti, but it very much affects Praetorians in one spot and that is Number Six's missions to Last Bastion. Which is somewhere IN Praetoria no Goldsider can go. Kinda annoying. The reason? There's none apart from Number Six as a contact is in the RWZ and that's it. All it needs is a door moved, similar to Vetrano in Night Ward perhaps. Edited 17 hours ago by Darmian 2 AE SFMA Arcs: The Meteors (Arc id 42079) | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part One. (Arc id 26756) X | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part Two. (Arc id 26952) | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part Three. (Arc id 27233) Darker Deeds: Part One (Arc id 28374) | Darker Deeds: Part Two. (Arc id 28536) | Darker Deeds: Part Three. (Arc id 29252) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part One (Arc id 29891) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part Two (Arc id 30210) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part Three (Arc id 30560) | Bridge of Forever ( Arc id 36642) | The Cassini Division (Arc id 37104) X | The House of Gaunt Saints (Arc id 37489) X | The Spark of the Blind (Arc id 40403) | Damnatio Memoriae (Arc id 41140) X | The Eve of War (Arc id 41583) X | Spirals: Part One. (Arc id 55109) | Spirals: Part Two. (Arc id 55358) | Spirals: Part Three. (Arc id 57197) I Sing of Arms and the Man (Arc id 42617) | Three Sisters (Arc id 43013) (Pre War Praetorian Loyalist. Pre War Praetorian Resistance. Pre ITF Cimerora. Post ITF Cimerora. X = Dev Choice/Hall of Fame )
lemming Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, Psyonico said: I admit I'm not super well versed in Praetorian lore, but are there any story arcs in Praetorian that would make sense to grant the "Entrusted with the Secret" badge? No actual Praetorian arcs, but you can get the badge easily enough by doing an Orou mission. Can't enter the gate, but you can make it. And yes, it's lame that Number 6 arc is off limits due to where it is. 2
Rudra Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 56 minutes ago, Darmian said: Except it does. Oh not the fight against the Rikti, but it very much affects Praetorians in one spot and that is Number Six's missions to Last Bastion. Which is somewhere IN Praetoria no Goldsider can go. Kinda annoying. The reason? There's none apart from Number Six as a contact is in the RWZ and that's it. All it needs is a door moved, similar to Vetrano in Night Ward perhaps. Last Bastion from Number Six is after the Magisterium iTrial and the fall of Praetoria. It is (hopefully) the first steps to retaking Praetoria. So from a timeline perspective, gold siders shouldn't have access to Number Six and the Last Bastion arc because everything they are doing is pre-iTrials. 1
Darmian Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 1 minute ago, Rudra said: Last Bastion from Number Six is after the Magisterium iTrial and the fall of Praetoria. It is (hopefully) the first steps to retaking Praetoria. So from a timeline perspective, gold siders shouldn't have access to Number Six and the Last Bastion arc because everything they are doing is pre-iTrials. No, that's not a good enough reason. There's no reason a Goldsider who hadn't left, whether Resistance or Loyalist, would refuse to fight Hamidon. Part of the plot IS that, in that Reese, one of the biggest douches Powers Division ever produced, even HE decided to fight Hamidon there. Ok, he got his ass handed to him but whatever. AE SFMA Arcs: The Meteors (Arc id 42079) | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part One. (Arc id 26756) X | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part Two. (Arc id 26952) | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part Three. (Arc id 27233) Darker Deeds: Part One (Arc id 28374) | Darker Deeds: Part Two. (Arc id 28536) | Darker Deeds: Part Three. (Arc id 29252) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part One (Arc id 29891) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part Two (Arc id 30210) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part Three (Arc id 30560) | Bridge of Forever ( Arc id 36642) | The Cassini Division (Arc id 37104) X | The House of Gaunt Saints (Arc id 37489) X | The Spark of the Blind (Arc id 40403) | Damnatio Memoriae (Arc id 41140) X | The Eve of War (Arc id 41583) X | Spirals: Part One. (Arc id 55109) | Spirals: Part Two. (Arc id 55358) | Spirals: Part Three. (Arc id 57197) I Sing of Arms and the Man (Arc id 42617) | Three Sisters (Arc id 43013) (Pre War Praetorian Loyalist. Pre War Praetorian Resistance. Pre ITF Cimerora. Post ITF Cimerora. X = Dev Choice/Hall of Fame )
Rudra Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Darmian said: No, that's not a good enough reason. There's no reason a Goldsider who hadn't left, whether Resistance or Loyalist, would refuse to fight Hamidon. Part of the plot IS that, in that Reese, one of the biggest douches Powers Division ever produced, even HE decided to fight Hamidon there. Ok, he got his ass handed to him but whatever. Agreed on the fight Hamidon part. And new gold side content to do that would be welcome. Last Bastion however is after all the iTrials. After the bulk of the surviving Praetorians flee to Primal Earth with no care as to whether they are winding up in Longbow or Arachnos hands. Just jumping past all that straight to trying to take back the fallen Praetoria on a character that has not even gone through the fall of Praetoria makes no sense. 1
El D Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago I'm saying all of this as someone who enjoyed Goldside and its arcs... it was a complete ghost town back on Live too, after the initial Going Rogue boom. It had absolutely no legs outside of Incarnate content and even that made the pivot away from being Praetorian-based when it grew stale with the playerbase. Or at least, it was starting to before shutdown. It's possible an arc about fighting back against Praetorian Hamidon could renew broad player interest, but that's a very specific narrative path versus the much more open-ended story arc continuations Homecoming has been focusing on thus far. Also there is merit to be had in bespoke time travel content, but only if it tells story beats not available in the game's on-going timeline. Like the Cyrus Thompson stuff or the Phalanx fighting the Jade Spider. I have doubts any of that could be found for Preatoria much less curry any strong amount of dev and/or player interest, but I can't say it's impossible. If anything though, I'd expect any future Preatorian-involved content to be firmly based on Primal Earth, involving the surviving Preators, the New Praetorians supergroup, and what's to be done with the captured, de-powered Emperor Cole. Kallisti Wharf certainly leans that way, given the involvement of post-iTrial Praetorian mobs. 3 Global is @El D, Everlasting Player, Recovering Altaholic.
Darmian Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Rudra said: Agreed on the fight Hamidon part. And new gold side content to do that would be welcome. Last Bastion however is after all the iTrials. After the bulk of the surviving Praetorians flee to Primal Earth with no care as to whether they are winding up in Longbow or Arachnos hands. Just jumping past all that straight to trying to take back the fallen Praetoria on a character that has not even gone through the fall of Praetoria makes no sense. And yet my Gold Side only Resistance character has taken part in the iTrials. (Ok, so has my Loyalist! But that was so I could play something rather than the thematic reasons my Resistance character had) AE SFMA Arcs: The Meteors (Arc id 42079) | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part One. (Arc id 26756) X | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part Two. (Arc id 26952) | Dark Deeds in Galaxy City: Part Three. (Arc id 27233) Darker Deeds: Part One (Arc id 28374) | Darker Deeds: Part Two. (Arc id 28536) | Darker Deeds: Part Three. (Arc id 29252) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part One (Arc id 29891) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part Two (Arc id 30210) | Darkest Before Dawn: Part Three (Arc id 30560) | Bridge of Forever ( Arc id 36642) | The Cassini Division (Arc id 37104) X | The House of Gaunt Saints (Arc id 37489) X | The Spark of the Blind (Arc id 40403) | Damnatio Memoriae (Arc id 41140) X | The Eve of War (Arc id 41583) X | Spirals: Part One. (Arc id 55109) | Spirals: Part Two. (Arc id 55358) | Spirals: Part Three. (Arc id 57197) I Sing of Arms and the Man (Arc id 42617) | Three Sisters (Arc id 43013) (Pre War Praetorian Loyalist. Pre War Praetorian Resistance. Pre ITF Cimerora. Post ITF Cimerora. X = Dev Choice/Hall of Fame )
Rudra Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Darmian said: And yet my Gold Side only Resistance character has taken part in the iTrials. (Ok, so has my Loyalist! But that was so I could play something rather than the thematic reasons my Resistance character had) I'm guessing it formed in Pocket D? Look, I'm not going to keep arguing in circles. I'm for the story. The story does not have Praetorian characters see the fall of Praetoria until after they leave Praetoria. Players have workarounds to get to level 50 as pure gold siders, and more power to those that choose to use them. The Praetorian story line, from the perspective of Praetorians, does not reach the fall of Praetoria. Praetorian characters, in the Praetorian character story line, are only just becoming aware of Primal Earth characters and the impending invasion. There is no gold side Incarnate content. There isn't even any gold side start of the Praetorian-Primal Earth conflict content. There is no gold side fall of Praetoria story at this time. I would much rather any expanded Praetoria content get caught up before we start looking at what happens after. (And any added content for gold siders not contradict existing lore in the iTrials and late game arcs.) 1
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