Anything Skippable in the New Regen?

[SomeGuy]

1 hour ago, Yomo Kimyata said:

Absolutely, but it is pretty easy to get to 50-100% slow debuff protection through enhancements and set bonuses.  No real need to make that an inherent part of the power set, imo.

 

 

100% agree on this. It's still jacked up you have to very deliberately build for this. Actually, considering how badly the set needs it, it;s REALLY jacked up you have to build for it as extensively as you can.

 

 

You can get another 15% with the Cim Day Job. 

 

Edited Monday at 10:25 PM by SomeGuy

[Renatos1023]

Wow, I did not expect this topic to pop off like it did. Thank you all for your replies. It was more a thought exercise on what the community thought was skippable.

 

I don't think I'll drop anything from Regen at this point, but if I could cap HP without Second Wind, that might be the one to go. I think everything else adds enough, especially in a multiplicative manner, that I wouldn't want to drop anything. Regen really has no skippable powers at this point.

[SomeGuy]

6 minutes ago, Renatos1023 said:

Wow, I did not expect this topic to pop off like it did. Thank you all for your replies. It was more a thought exercise on what the community thought was skippable.

 

I don't think I'll drop anything from Regen at this point, but if I could cap HP without Second Wind, that might be the one to go. I think everything else adds enough, especially in a multiplicative manner, that I wouldn't want to drop anything. Regen really has no skippable powers at this point.

 

 

You can get VERY close to scrapper HP cap with accolades 

 

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You can cycle MoG and Shadow Meld with this build fairly well. And the combination of Ice Patch and it's soft-CC provide pretty decent mitigation. It has 85% recharge debuff protection, which can go up to 100 with the Cim Day Job.

 

Muscle Alpha as always for any damage dealing AT. Well, I do go Agility on Brutes. Makes building them super easy. Destiny is up to you. I like Ageless: Recovery for the very high end/s. Recovery Serums are dirt cheap though. 

 

Hopefully this gives some ideas.

[bAss_ackwards]

I should see if I can get my build to have MoG and Shadowmeld. Between the two though, Shadowmeld has way more uptime, and can help quite a bit to "reset" defense cascading failures you may run into.

[tidge]

I can't speak to the current iteration of Regeneration, but I do have some thoughts on skippable powers. I definitely agree that HC-era primary/secondary sets have fewer "obvious skippable" powers than on Live... I like when this is because each power is actively good, I'm less impressed when some powers have gaps that must be filled by other powers.

 

My thoughts on 'skippable' will springboard from this post...

 

15 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

My question is what is so filling power selections that skipping powers is preferable, particularly skipping powers in the secondary set? Because it seems to me optimized attack rotations generally mean skipped offensive powers, which gets you one or more power slots open on top of the 6 you already had open even if you took every Primary and Secondary power.

 

On melee characters: I often delay (and sometimes skip) Armor powers in order to be able to pick ASAP level 14 pool powers that require two previous picks from the same pool. This is almost always a flavor choice, and it can run up against my personal desire to have something like an attack chain for very low-level content (without relying on S.T.A.R.T. attacks). I generally don't do this with Scrappers, but I have a couple of thematic Scrappers that rely on power pools. FWIW, I dislike taking Epic/Patron attacks to round out attack chains because of the level requirements. For my characters that pretty much only play at level 50 this doesn't bother me, but for lower-level play I find losing key attacks to be a large annoyance.

 

I agree with the sentiment expressed by @Troo that while leveling, certain power sets have almost no skippable powers. As noted by many others in this thread, set bonuses on a full-kit build can often do what certain power picks otherwise provide.

 

Obviously for playing only with a level 50 build a delayed power pick really won't matter.

 

[Erratic1]

8 minutes ago, tidge said:

On melee characters: I often delay (and sometimes skip) Armor powers in order to be able to pick ASAP level 14 pool powers that require two previous picks from the same pool.

 

Yes, I used to do the same (now, I still take the powers, but also factor in the added endurance burden of having Tough and/or Weave too early). But delaying Armor powers is not the same as not taking. (Add too, used to be T9 were generally less desirable due to crashes.)

[skoryy]

Some men just want to watch the forums burn, even the builds, I guess.

 

Only one on my Savage/Regen build is Instant Healing since I'm going the Reactive Regen route.  But then I also took everything in Savage as well.  Sure, no epic pools, but what does a werewolf need with Gloom?

[Triumphant]

1 hour ago, skoryy said:

Some men just want to watch the forums burn, even the builds, I guess.

 

Only one on my Savage/Regen build is Instant Healing since I'm going the Reactive Regen route.  But then I also took everything in Savage as well.  Sure, no epic pools, but what does a werewolf need with Gloom?

Nothing.  Gloom is for vampires and goth girls.  Werewoofs are pure, unbridled rage.  You made the right choice.  😄👍

[Troo]

10 hours ago, bAss_ackwards said:

I should see if I can get my build to have MoG and Shadowmeld. Between the two though, Shadowmeld has way more uptime, and can help quite a bit to "reset" defense cascading failures you may run into.

 

Spring boarding off the above comment:

Claws on a scrapper or stalker ends up being a good match (surprise!) for stringing together Moment of Glory (15s), Rune of Protection (60s), Shadow Meld (15s), Instant Healing (90s), with capped HP, in a sequence where powers recharge and are able to repeat in a fairly long chain. With incarnates Vigor, Melee, & Barrier, it's player error to be defeated. This and variations were available before the changes..

[aethereal]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

 

Spring boarding off the above comment:

Claws on a scrapper or stalker ends up being a good match (surprise!) for stringing together Moment of Glory (15s), Rune of Protection (60s), Shadow Meld (15s), Instant Healing (90s), with capped HP, in a sequence where powers recharge and are able to repeat in a fairly long chain. With incarnates Vigor, Melee, & Barrier, it's player error to be defeated. This and variations were available before the changes..

 

What does Claws have to do with any of that?

[SomeGuy]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

 

Spring boarding off the above comment:

Claws on a scrapper or stalker ends up being a good match (surprise!) for stringing together Moment of Glory (15s), Rune of Protection (60s), Shadow Meld (15s), Instant Healing (90s), with capped HP, in a sequence where powers recharge and are able to repeat in a fairly long chain. With incarnates Vigor, Melee, & Barrier, it's player error to be defeated. This and variations were available before the changes..

 

 

I''m curious also, why Claws as an example? I would figure any primary would allow that mostly. You referring to the amount of soft-CC claws can provide?

[Troo]

27 minutes ago, SomeGuy said:

I''m curious also, why Claws as an example? I would figure any primary would allow that mostly. You referring to the amount of soft-CC claws can provide?

 

Claws can build a very effective attack chain with less powers than other sets might be able to. 

(I used this tactic for years with Energy Melee until we were forced to take Total Focus)

 

AND it's a wet dream build for certain Marvel fans.

Edited Tuesday at 05:10 PM by Troo

[SomeGuy]

4 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

Claws can build a very effective attack chain with less powers than other sets might be able to. 

(I used this tactic for years with Energy Melee until we were forced to take Total Focus)

 

AND it's a wet dream build for certain Marvel fans.

 

 

OK, fair point. Very fair point. You can do this with Dual Blades also if that is your logic. I've had a lot of wiggle room with sets because of Claws/Dual Blades not needing a lot of the primary powers. 

[bAss_ackwards]

9 hours ago, Troo said:

 

Spring boarding off the above comment:

Claws on a scrapper or stalker ends up being a good match (surprise!) for stringing together Moment of Glory (15s), Rune of Protection (60s), Shadow Meld (15s), Instant Healing (90s), with capped HP, in a sequence where powers recharge and are able to repeat in a fairly long chain. With incarnates Vigor, Melee, & Barrier, it's player error to be defeated. This and variations were available before the changes..

 

Sounds like fun! Might try it out with my Katana/Regen 

[oldskool]

@SomeGuy And with some changes you could both A) cap your HP and B) increase your recharge. I am not suggesting you make any of these changes, but if you would like to tinker in Mids to see what I see... 

Replace the 3x Doctored Wounds with Panacea. That will get you close to HP cap (like 4hp shy), and you'll see you're now over capped on 10% regen. To fix that, 3x Reactive Defenses, where ever you wanna put them - maybe MoG with the /Recharge options, would overcap your HP but remove the other conflicts. 

You could raise your current global recharge up to 181.3% while capping HP. You'd lose some of the resistance buff benefits you had. You would also regenerate around 4 hp/second more - which is negligible. 

Very doable to cap HP though. 

[SomeGuy]

2 hours ago, oldskool said:

@SomeGuy And with some changes you could both A) cap your HP and B) increase your recharge. I am not suggesting you make any of these changes, but if you would like to tinker in Mids to see what I see... 

Replace the 3x Doctored Wounds with Panacea. That will get you close to HP cap (like 4hp shy), and you'll see you're now over capped on 10% regen. To fix that, 3x Reactive Defenses, where ever you wanna put them - maybe MoG with the /Recharge options, would overcap your HP but remove the other conflicts. 

You could raise your current global recharge up to 181.3% while capping HP. You'd lose some of the resistance buff benefits you had. You would also regenerate around 4 hp/second more - which is negligible. 

Very doable to cap HP though. 

 

 

I actually value what DW gives WAY more than panacea. Yea, DW "only" gives 5% recharge for it's 5pc, but it gives SLFC resistance on the way to that. Panacea doesn't do that.

 

DEF > RES > HP >>>> HP/s. Oh, and if it's dead, it can't hit you. I will NEVER chase HP/s. Ever. Unless it's pre-nerf IH levels of broken, I refuse to chase it. Is it nice? Sure. But it definitely isn't reliable, nor strong enough for the types of stuff I do. 

 

Regen as a set goes completely against what I know works well. 

 

If you've played the game for a while you can tell that Will Power was the first real attempt at fixing the set. Then more changes. And once again, just released a new set...Bio Armor happened. 

 

The added debuff protection is a really good start. And there are some smart changes to the powers. It still needs work and attention though. The set seriously needs some baked in Recharge Debuff protection. It's a pretty big slap in the face it currently doesn't have that considering how recharge dependent the set is.

 

[WuTang]

On 8/18/2025 at 10:08 AM, Erratic1 said:

 

You would skip a power providing Regeneration Debuff Resistance?

I did because you can cap regen debuff resist with Reactive Regen

[Erratic1]

26 minutes ago, WuTang said:

I did because you can cap regen debuff resist with Reactive Regen

 

If you take a sufficient number of hits in a period of time, sure. Having another source reduces the number of hits required--say like when you're facing AV whose minions have been cleared, no?

[aethereal]

35 minutes ago, Erratic1 said:

 

If you take a sufficient number of hits in a period of time, sure. Having another source reduces the number of hits required--say like when you're facing AV whose minions have been cleared, no?

 

Which AV debuffs regen?

[tidge]

17 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

I actually value what DW gives WAY more than panacea. Yea, DW "only" gives 5% recharge for it's 5pc, but it gives SLFC resistance on the way to that. Panacea doesn't do that.

 

Panacea isn't a favorite Health set of mine to multi-slot (Preventive Medicine is my go-to for multi-slot Health sets) but it is my second choice on high HP ATs and on melee characters when they have a click power. I find the Panacea set bonuses to improve QoL over small resistance boosts. Panacea can of course be boosted beyond level 50 too.