No Point of Suggestion (at this rate)

[Ghost]

 

 

I said it before.  Make the suggestion and move on.  
Quit looking for praise from the masses.  Quit trying to defend your suggestion. 

There are people out there who simply do not like change.  They are not comfortable with it.  They don’t choose to be that way, it’s just how they are wired.

Have some understanding instead of belittling them.

Explain your suggestion fully, and start working on your next idea.

 

FFS there are just as many people complaining about ideas, as there are people complaining about those complaining.  
If you feel someone is constantly negative, put them on ignore.

 

Otherwise, you’re in here doing EXACTLY what you are complaining about - being negative (about people instead of suggestions), driving people away, and causing people to be too scared to speak up when they don’t actually like something or may have an improvement.

 

This is a forum.  It’s not a bubble.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Ghost

[starro]

I agree with Ghost - post your suggestion and you move on.   Don't take things personal and take the high road.

I like the Suggestion Forum and make it a daily read but there's a lot of word salad that needs refinement or solutions looking for a problem.

Even an excellent and awesome well thought out suggestion can be hamstrung by old tech or very limited volunteer dev time. 

A terrible idea should be picked apart until it is improved or concluded.  God knows I have posted some real turds all the way back to LIVE forums.  

Should people stop?  No!  Keep them coming!

 

[battlewraith]

58 minutes ago, Ghost said:

There are people out there who simply do not like change.  They are not comfortable with it.  They don’t choose to be that way, it’s just how they are wired.

Have some understanding instead of belittling them.

Explain your suggestion fully, and start working on your next idea.

 

There are people out there who do like change. They like novelty. They like to spitball weird ideas. They don't choose to be that way, it's just how they're wired.

Have some understanding instead of branding them whiners, complainers, trolls, people beating a dead horse etc. 

 

The "do not like change people" act like fate tapped them on the shoulder to be a forum garbage cleanup crew. That turns others off. That's why we have these discussions.

 

37 minutes ago, starro said:

A terrible idea should be picked apart until it is improved or concluded.

 Nope. If you think an idea is terrible, leave it alone. As has been pointed out ad nauseam, the less response a post gets the faster it disappears. 

The people that demand suggestions be treated like engineering reports and pick everything apart don't really add anything, they just kill whatever fun other people may have had spitballing an idea. And drawing attention away from other ideas in the process.

 

I agree with the move on sentiment, but it's misapplied. If you see an idea you think is bad, move on. 

Weigh in on the suggestions that you actually like and actually want to help flesh out. 

[Oklahoman]

It's a forum, not a suggestions box. It's the only way to have a chance of getting a suggestion into the game. It's really easy to say just overlook everyone's responses, put certain people on ignore, etc. But if you care about the idea you are putting forward, you almost certainly care about how it is received by the community. Of course there are going to be people who disagree, and that's fine - if they can respectfully disagree. It turns out if you disagree with a suggestion, you don't even have to say anything about it at all - the likelihood of it getting into the game is small, and on the off chance it does you can unload your disgust in focused feedback. But restraint is not a quality of many commenters here, in my experience, and almost exclusively in this forum specifically.

 

What has been happening in this forum for a long time discourages people from sharing ideas. If we want to set up [email protected] and just have everyone send their ideas there, great. Send it and move on. But if we insist on maintaining the status quo, putting every idea up for public debate and ridicule, this is the result - people are going to say it's not worth it. And I love hearing ideas. I hope we decide to do something different.

 

4 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

I agree with the move on sentiment, but it's misapplied. If you see an idea you think is bad, move on. 

Weigh in on the suggestions that you actually like and actually want to help flesh out. 

 

Yeah, that! 👏

[Rudra]

48 minutes ago, Oklahoman said:

It's a forum, not a suggestions box. It's the only way to have a chance of getting a suggestion into the game. It's really easy to say just overlook everyone's responses, put certain people on ignore, etc. But if you care about the idea you are putting forward, you almost certainly care about how it is received by the community. Of course there are going to be people who disagree, and that's fine - if they can respectfully disagree. It turns out if you disagree with a suggestion, you don't even have to say anything about it at all - the likelihood of it getting into the game is small, and on the off chance it does you can unload your disgust in focused feedback. But restraint is not a quality of many commenters here, in my experience, and almost exclusively in this forum specifically.

 

What has been happening in this forum for a long time discourages people from sharing ideas. If we want to set up [email protected] and just have everyone send their ideas there, great. Send it and move on. But if we insist on maintaining the status quo, putting every idea up for public debate and ridicule, this is the result - people are going to say it's not worth it. And I love hearing ideas. I hope we decide to do something different.

 

 

Yeah, that! 👏

 

 

[Ghost]

52 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

 

I agree with the move on sentiment, but it's misapplied. If you see an idea you think is bad, move on. 

Weigh in on the suggestions that you actually like and actually want to help flesh out. 

 

Don’t say an idea is bad, move on.

That honestly sounds like you only want affirmation.

 

 

What discourages people is that they want to be praised. 
“such a wonderful idea!!”

Which is why they can’t move on after posting a suggestion. 
It’s also why some have felt the need to argue and reply to every post about their suggestion.

Them getting discouraged is self induced.

 

If they posted their suggestion, and then moved on to something else, what would they have to be discouraged about?

 

[Ghost]

54 minutes ago, Oklahoman said:

It's a forum, not a suggestions box. It's the only way to have a chance of getting a suggestion into the game. It's really easy to say just overlook everyone's responses, put certain people on ignore, etc. But if you care about the idea you are putting forward, you almost certainly care about how it is received by the community. Of course there are going to be people who disagree, and that's fine - if they can respectfully disagree. 

This is not true at all.

Ive seen people post a suggestion and ask what others think.  
Others have responded with a simple “I don’t like it”, and suddenly the OP turns into “Im being attacked!”

Hell, how many threads have there been with people wanting the confused and/or thumbs down emoji removed because of “hurt feelings”?

 

Some people are overly sensitive and perceive anything other than adulation for their idea, as being attacked.

It comes down to people only wanting to hear praise.  Well, that’s not how life or the internet works.