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Better than on a scrapper but not as well as a tanker. Seriously. Base resistance/defense are the same between a Brute/Scrap (but Brute can hit 90% resistance whereas a scrapper can only hit 75%), but the HP pools really make the difference with WP between the two sets. Brute has a higher base AND max than a scrapper. And with a hp/s set this is HUGE. I haven't messed with tankers since the changes, but their base resistance/defense is higher than both classes. So is their HP. And their HP has a higher max than both.

I updated some of my times and got around to recording some I hadn't yet. Still not motivated to re-learn TW again, but farting around with it I was still getting in the mid 1 minute range. Pylon Times and Personal Rankings (All my own builds/characters. No lore/hybrid/temps used. These are the average of 10+ runs.) Scrapper EM/BIO/MB 1:23 (post nerf) Scrapper DB/BIO/MB 1:25 (post nerf) 1:21 (pre-nerf) Scrapper WM/BIO/MB 1:31 (post nerf) Scrapper CLAWS/BIO/MB 1:32 (post nerf) 1:26 (pre-nerf) Scrapper TW/BIO/MA 1:35 (post nerf) 0:52 (pre-nerf) Scrapper DM/BIO/MB 1:59 (post nerf) 1:54 (pre-nerf) DM/BIO/MB is frustrating to get times for. Destiny and Hasten both want to refresh around the time the pylon is about to drop. If I was Soul Drain scumming I KNOW that time would be a LOT lower. Napkin math says around 1:35. Kind of tempted to do a few runs and see. I did do a KAT/ELA/MA a few years ago. I am really positive as KAT/BIO/MB it would get some smoking speed. Scrapper Kat/Ele/MA 2:27 (SD-GD-SotW) I've gotten a lot better at maximizing DPS rotations between now and the prior times. If I was as efficient then, as I am now, the difference in times would be larger.

This build easily does both the MB chain and the standard "best" DB chain. It also doesn't take three attacks (cause you don't use them with this build). And Power Slice is a set mule, but also good if you ever need to exemp that low. Between Sweeping Strike and Typhoon's Edge being on an incredibly fast recharge, you'll be fine on AOE. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1397;698;1396;HEX;| |78DA4D93496FD35010C79F6387D0366DDA84EE4B9AA4255BE3A6DCD854510248B41| |185485C23933C1253B7899C5602B1A9DF80557C062E48F00D38B35D38B2C381AD14| |890B129430F17F9AC692F51BCF9B37FF99377ED98B19EF8313EBB342E93A6A19B55| |A3E57B08D6A55DAEEAC51320BA2F178E81DDAF6E7B3D29252CFAC19567ECE328AB2| |166E2E65E479B95293FA9C59C99FB24BC68A59C81FB1972BB6F02E562A96BE208DA| |AB9526A773E7255298B9D8E79DC2C955769C1B71D559476AD6C56078F55CD829E5B| |35AC25CA9EABAC59F9AC515B95F6A5012A2942EF658FE0A7EE16773521663411BD0| |1266E326F8153B7C1E93BE0AB4602C5D9AB8A3019514D84C698417022045EF17028| |E9280917ED6F13AE38330A6A31B02FE972F2F73D260634F1867454D6517B15674DE| |B06BBB6C83D4A35CDABCEF755D271434773BF806FD773E613D0FB14EC7A065EF334| |46A438B579247ADB5D641A60FB396601F4DE478D6FA9B636D4567F4D76076CA5E32| |4FA8EDFE35E48A3136BA2937B784FF13E3E13DF066AE9FECCFC02FABF827BBE31BF| |8361CAD7C35A3D49E19C9B9FD94F6B01E415819870E215F2F5C2A7F62E12C29A183| |8CD3C038672E007AAAB9F6BED6F1874BEEBB47F906B1DDC8F390D1D621E00C70E82| |E387D1F3F82C6AFD48F98691CF3D2CE01BF9839891BFE0D816F31F98AE832AE98E7| |22FA3FBB057235F907B0FF2598EF3FFF089B4C2AC1566AD086B45582BC25A13AC35| |C15A8DA39FE41E27D3E865EF3433C5D4C1E80CF6445FE27C7BA8A618745D31AE29B| |E097DFD17F8DB2B44927B4972CC75DAA7B3A6BE8C9CD3169F41199C319917984BA0| |9FF6A6794EE910661FD49A77B23EA235EFB62A78E6533CF3299E798A67BEB0132B4| |40A3D2D6ACD3B2B943A3D62A39D3CACA870D48F561FFF6D9B3B3E4509A1FBD45974| |FCB3359E6FC77C823A8152FD61E346B1FDAEC57ED462FF076FC1CD6B| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Soul Drain is actually pretty decent AOE too. Get in the mob, let a tick of AoO go off, pop soul drain then Shield Charge. I've got a DM/BIO/FB scrapper I LOVE and it doesn't do bad AOE. I imagine a DM/SD/FB scrapper would do really well too.

My DM/BIO/MB is somewhere around 1:50. That isn't Soul Drain scumming with a bunch of monkeys or something at the start. Only DMG+ boost for soul drain is the pylon. So, it can be a LOT faster if you soul drain stack. Even then, it's not going to be as fast as the other top-tier DPS, but the set is fun. Lots.

For real. This answer varies person to person. But I'd personally have to say Claws. It has a wild amount of CC and DPS. I used to main a claws/regen and I absolutely know other primaries would have faceplanted a LOT more.

Just don't do x/regen. Have fun.

x/bio scrapper. You're either killing everything (including the AVs/monsters) or you're in the hospital. If this isn't the case for a x/bio scrapper/stalker then they aren't pushing it. I can't attest to the ranged recommendations. But I can for sure attest for x/bio. It's the melee definition of glass cannon. As squishy as regen with more damage.

I've got a lot of times with different AT combos/builds I can send your way. I just know I don't have a new time for post-TW nerf (it's still around 1:30 something) or post-snipe nerf. Those builds had about 10-20s added to their times. Nothing huge. EM/BIO is DEFINITELY the fastest melee pylon killer I have right now though.

I just looked, and it seems rage is the same DMG and TOHIT boost for 60s that build up is for it's duration. So, bumping up base damage for the attacks in SS would still be on the board. And lowering Rage's buff would get rid of a lot of the issue with it massively boosting other pool attacks (looking at SS/FIRE/GL brutes). SS/FIRE/GL brutes used to be THE most damaging recorded melee in the game. I did that myself. I can attest to it. The chain was/is just KO-GL-BURN repeat and roll back the opposite direction. You'd one attack from SS. Numerically, it's a pretty simple fix.

Ill/Cold. Your team will love you, but you don't need a team.

A claws scrapper.

Whoah, assault was adding a lot.

What we're you getting without Assault running? I've always been curious how claws stalker and scrapper compare to each other due to the lack of FU for stalkers.

x/bio scrappers are a glass cannon. They are absolutely remarkable, then in the cast time for abalative carapace, you are dead. This is playing /bio on the bleeding edge though. With other secondaries you get a couple more seconds of wiggle room, but you have to play /bio like /regen and plan to stop your faceplant before you jump in. One way of doing this though? /bio lets you kill the thing before it kills you better than any other secondary. You aren't doing reactionary saves with /bio. You just die. Claws/Bio is an underrated gem. One of my fav AT combinations. Craps out ridiculously good ST DPS (we're talking top 5, easy) and is most likely (not sure how to measure?) the best at AOE. And it exemps RIDICULOUSLY well. It get's follow up, slash, spin, and focus all before 20. And those are really all you need from the primary.

Umm, look at cold domination. -RES, -REG, and defense shields in one set.

Fix Rage across the board so you can also port it to scrappers. Do the math so OVER TIME it's the same DMG/TO-HIT bonus as a buildup that last a minute. Get rid of the -DEF crap and drop the 10s of hanging out doing nothing. Maybe x% less due to activation time only being once a minute compared to 4x times a minute as with build-up. It's a simple solution and doesn't change how Rage works. Only the numbers behind the curtain.

But if I don't ask, how will they know I can protect their door?

I dunno, if I'm not sucking wind even WITH Ageless, I don't see myself pushing the AT hard enough.

Funny, I've got WM/SD and WM/BIO experience. ATO2 Proc goes in clobber. I personally don't even bother taking PA any more (you get looked at as Bio in offensive mode then ur ded). I slot DNA Siphon with the Oblit set for the bonuses. The heal has rarely saved me. The SD version is way more survivable than Bio, but the tradeoff is damage. SD DOES get the awesomesauce Shield Charge (and the shield/mace look is AWESOME). Aid Self is a good self-heal for Shield.

Man, when they changed Clobber and gave it it's crazy DPA, I made a WM/SD that day. It's an underrated set and just FEELS good. And Shatter is sooooooo satisfying. The set just feels CHONKY. Got some time with it more. Now averaging 1:27, or 87s.

So, I made a WM/BIO and did some runs. Got a time in the low 1:20s and been averaging 1:30s. The combo chews end, holy crap.

This...makes a lot of sense. The build having the -res procs...proccing seem to be crucial. TW seems to be VERY dependent on the procs going off to really get those low low times. ElM seems to be really consistent for low times, and it IS faster, fastest ST DPS melee character I have. Now for me personally it's ElM/BIO then these next three doing roughly the same: TW, DB, and Claws. I haven't done WM/BIO but I suspect it would be in that group.

I always park my dudes in Cim for the rchg/res.

Was this a best time or an average? Cause I said "eff it" and made a TW/BIO/MA scrapper and get ranges from 73s to 100s. I've been averaging 85s but I got some really low times that had me go "hmm". The elm/bio time above is my average. And it doesn't have any wide ranges, really.