I had stopped play before the incarnate system when live, but now adding in all of the slots at 50 I'm sure this discussion happened then as well: what was the point of this? It seems to remove any need for control whatsoever, everyone has maxed out defense, regeneration and multiple nukes, pets. In a full 50s team each group of mobs mostly melts under someone's nuke, then a couple half-dead lieutenants have to be finished off. Everyone can patch any holes they have, only damage is needed.