JayboH

I'd like different sound fx for Savage much more than different for KM. Savage's sound fx do not match the theme at all with a couple exceptions. I mentioned DPS/DPA earlier and I am glad you agree.

Ice Storm does less damage as a result of having that control though

That's basically what I meant by 'baked in' earlier.

What we've been discussing:

Cryo can also take Ice Mistrals just in case

The variance quoted.

Encourages teaming with control characters

Do they have to be 'baked' in, or can it do this variance on the fly within the client?

I'm curious though - does this game require completely different animations to be made for each variance? Naturally I think of Titan Weapons. I thought I heard animation software was a big problem for the dev crew but this was a few years ago.

So 'underperforming' can never, ever mean the set is "slow" in your opinion. When it takes longer to complete objectives, take down a target, whatever - it is not allowed to be labeled slow at those objectives or slow to take down a target according to Rudra. I'll probably decide to ignore this hyper-specific outlier argument and go with the rest of the playerbase instead when it comes to describing the set since the feeling matches the results.

Oh ok. This means that if the timing of all the applications of damage, all of the animations were swapped to something else, you are saying the set would still be the bottom of the barrel when it comes to melee sets. This also means that the damage numbers need to be bumped, because... otherwise it would complete objectives slower than the other sets even when everything else is identical.... making it a slower set.

I am just responding to Rudra. When the set completes objectives slower than any of the other sets in tests and states it isn't a slower set, it raises an eyebrow. If it applies the same damage at the same time yet locks you to the animation longer than other sets before you can apply another attack, it lowers dps/dpa.

I didn't say that. You already stated that the lockout would continue if applied earlier. Speeding up KM would however.

By doing that, you are saying the application of damage would be balanced? Is the damage itself balanced? It isn't mechanically balanced first of all, we just confirmed that earlier. DPA/DPS is affected by the differences you've been talking about, proving it isn't mechanically balanced. Having it appear at the bottom of the melee list in tests confirms what we've been talking about too.

So how would you balance it

I forgot that AV's and GM's don't exist.

That's my entire point. Mechanically it's slow. No need to defend the set or be contrary to those who feel the set is slow, because it truly is. Balancing it by not having everyone blasting the same target? That's not balancing it at all. That's avoiding the subject and blindly defending a power set choice.

So if everyone attacks the same target at the exact same time, KM will likely end up corpse-blasting due to your explanation of how the set works. Sounds like everyone's description of it being slow is mechanically correct due to the results of such scenarios. What would you do to balance the set?

Logically that doesn't make sense if what you said earlier was true. Strange.

So you corpse blast way more often basically on teams

So... it applies effects slower than other sets?

Pretty sure I've seen KM being the slowest set in tests for taking pylons or maps or whatever, making it one of the worst melee sets if not THE worst.

Haven't read it yet (about to go eat) but I would think KM's main problem has always been slow animation/activation. I remember it was best on Stalkers due to the AT set.

You can proc bomb Acid Mortar and Poison Trap as far as I recall - Acid Mortar can get a put a Ragnorok Acc/Rech in it and then slot 5 procs. It fires 10 times with an AOE splash. I think one of my procs is Achilles but I admit this is on my mastermind. Poison Trap I have 4 with one being the Lockdown one. Seekers can too but I only have the Cloud Senses one in there.

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