Snarky

This is a lot of smoke and mirrors and infospeak from someone with....1 post... It is also desperately trying to obfuscate the fact that it is a giant exploit for enriching those already rich.

I cannot tell if you are being obtuse on purpose or are actually unable to comprehend. people were reselling these packs (after winter sale ended) at right under the fixed price. there was no 'special deal' being passed on to the little guy all through the year.

Yes, when I craft and create and sell something your statement is true. When I take something that is already available to the players and buy it then sell it to the players at a higher price I add nothing to the game. Winter Packs discount were an odd exploit the Devs addressed. But evidently this thread is not done addressing lololololololol

I am not against capitalism. I do have an issue with people who generate funds with an activity that adds nothing of value to the game. I make the bulk of my funds by 1) running content, the more at 50 the faster. 2) crafting recipes, converting and selling. Both these activities ADD to the game. An argument can even be made buying things from the market, changing the product, and relisting. Converting or catalyzing. This is a service in modifying what is there to what people want There is no value added to relisting a product with no change. At best it could be said you are keeping the market moving A more cynical view (*waves a brick) is that you are making money off fellow gamers good will and/or ignorance. The saddest thing is that people who make money off flipping generally do not need the funds. They just enjoy the rush. It would be like people who are scalping concert tickets but have win three lottery jackpots. They have nothing better to do with their time than force people struggling to get by to pay the highest possible price for entertainment. Not because they need the funds. But because they think it is funny

I fully agree. I have been sitting on 2 billion or so for a couple years now. It just slightly grows over time, even as I build out alt after alt. How/Why do people think they need this much? Then the fact they are getting that from fellow players? there are people who will manipulate the market, screw people over just so they can say they have X amount.

Remember getting this on live? Mine came with Good vs Evil purchase. As a Redsider it was almost as good as zone teleport. Fast travel to so many spots. I still miss coming in through the tiki room door. I really wish they would add that back in. Now Banished Pantheon emerge once in a while. Sigh. I thought mine was lost to the depths of time. But someone brought over a few boxes of my old stuff yesterday. And there it was...

Personally I am not opposed to "it" in only one fashion. If you are referring to this method. I am anti people scalping/flipping/overcharging and abusing in the meta. If you are referring to using the market to scalp other players while adding nothing to the game, then I am opposed to "it."

This would be excellent. I honestly do not know. I do know there is tradition (in past years) of people just handing these out in AP and such. They are a little expensive. Until you know how to make money. Once you start earning they are just a blip.

Merry Christmas

thats cool. you should come over and join me. for a bite.

i just crawled out of the crypt and am looking for blood and/or coffee. bonus if i can just drain a highly caffeinated individual. do you get it? DO YOU?

eliminated. although the AH is seeded with effectively infinite salvage at prices posted in the thread above. below that high water mark we trade normally.

I shall pick up some copies of Heinlein books again. I have been inspired to read by these posts lol.

Are you sure? THe good scientists at Crey corporation are helping people become happier right now!

Actually last year I did buy about 300 Winter packs during the last (smaller discount) holiday sale. I still have about 200 winter i/o in my base. The others have gone into my builds or i gave to SG members. I do the same with Villain packs. Look. Let me break this down. My character. Forum name, in game name, and global is Snarky. I am a villain. It is a persona. As a PLAYER I do not need to cut a fellow player so i get more. To make money I run content at 50 (generates drops/cash) or do what I am currently doing and craft convert and sell all the recipe i/os I get. This provides a SERVICE to the COMMUNITY by increasing supply of what people WANT. Demanding the Devs give me a cut price break for two weeks so I can then resell those all year long to broke players at a premium markup (and near the Dev set normal price) is not a service or helpful. It is whining until the Devs help me make money off my fellow players. Do you F-ing get it? Sheesh.

Which is really at heart why I started this thread. Even for a cartel of neurotic motivated OCD types snorting 7 miles of cocaine lines this is a heavy lift. Now common salvage is currently behaving more or less normally. As is Uncommon. But 6 months ago (or so, not researching my own posting dates) I brought up that Uncommon was being manipulated. And it obviously was. By either serious marketeers (and or idiots described in above paragraph) OR someone has found a cheat in the AH system. To be honest my forced research (I am crafting and converting somewhere between 400-500 I/Os) has led me to believe the market is just deflated about 80% from a year ago. That and Yomo's wise words has pulled me back from the ledge. (It's okay. No, I do not turn into a bat. I'm invulnerable you idiot)

Scroll up to what I posted about 8 hours ago in this thread. Go ahead. i'll wait. Here. With a brick.

I was more concerned about the uncommon salvage being manipulated about 6 months ago. So much so I went and played WoW for a couple months. Over there at least everyone is up front about hating each other. So frustrating here to have everyone talk about how “normal” things are and everyone is working together. Then no one wants to address when a person or group is obviously manipulating the system to the detriment of the group. Please. Do not talk to me about heroes and community. Do something. At least with the Horde you know you are undead scum everyone hates doomed to die. O cheers and Happy Holidays!

Look. I finally started the tedious process of something I dislike. Not farming. I hate that. But let me tell you Do you ever notice that you get recipes for I/Os randomly? I get them too! Do you ever run TF/SF and get merits? I do. Now i take the merits and go to the ATM machine at the AH. I use the merits to buy Enhancement Converter salvage. Now I craft the recipe. Then i use the converters to turn the I/O into something selling fir 3-4 or 6 million in the auction. I post at about 85% reserve price. I make money Now back to my story. I dislike doing this because even with OCD it is tedious. So I had built up approx 400 recipes. I have made my way through nearly 150 and have generated about 1 billion in profit after salvage purchase, crafting cost, and auction fees. Sigh 250 to go. There are faster ways to make money. Read guides. Farm. Or just run content that generates merits and drops (usually 50 content) and raw sell whatever you get. But do not stand around whining about how people destroying the planet should continue to be able to so your house is warm and you do not have to do anything. Plant a garden and put solar panels up Ride a bike. Why do I bother. Smoke tobacco products, run with scissors, big oil loves you, the government will protect you.

By “discount” the value is very close to the AH price. They do not keep selling them at the sale price. You really missed the entire point of what I said. Bricks will not help you. Go use tobacco products and run with scissors. The government will protect you.

Love Robert A Heinlein. Love. Should have been turned into a vampire. And forced to keep writing.

Still you do not ask why? Damn. You can lead a horse to water. But sometimes you gotta hit them over the head with a brick and hold them under to really get the full effect. So, I will tell you why. Ready? (I still have more bricks…) When the packs went on sale those who knew how to make infamy and had massive influence stashed (we will call these people “the haves”) bought LOTS of them. The Winter Packs. Are you still following. (*picks up brick, holds in hand loosely) When the sale ended these people (the haves) took the hundreds and thousands of packs they bought and relisted them. For slightly below the regular rate the AH charges. Making a guaranteed profit on every pack. All year long. But wait, they also opened them and sold the parts individually. Who bought these? Those people who are new to the server. Those people who do not follow the sales news. Those people who do not know how to make tons of cash in game. (We will call these people the “have nots”). So here is the interesting part. (*throws brick right over your head). Do not let this go over your head! If the Devs put these (winter oacks, or any packs) on sale for a couple weeks the “have nots” get a little discount on stuff they want for a while. The “haves” get a warchest of influence making ammunition to last all year long. (*picks up three bricks) Now, there is only one problem with a few “the haves” raking in vaults of influence. They “the haves” use this to further manipulate and skew the market in their favor. Basically making the “have nots” fund their takeover of the in game cash machine. Care for a brick?

Also the current iteration of MiDs is either buggy as hell or extremely fluid with switching options on/off. This makes precision building extremely difficult and requires (for me) seat of the pants building and successive approximations

Sooooo you need to ask why? Or do not ask why. Remain ignorant. And unhappy. Or ignorant and blissfully posting about where is my stuff? But you really need to ask why?

This is the kind of forward thinking that is rewarded Redside. That is why we call it GRANDVILLE!