Snarky

I am flattered you remembered. I am hoping I can string a few memorable phrases into a book I am writing and get a late life career in pulp fiction going!

You are wasting your time. As I understand it, it was a simple math statement error coded into the game. What you are missing is that whoever looked at it had the ability, authority, and oh so importantly the desire, to "fix it" Might as well try to float the Titannic. Got a few million ping pong balls?

Make a change to the Brute ATOs based on any of the hundreds of suggestions do you actually want me to go down a top ten list of the way to help Brutes? you do realize any suggestions to improve Brutes will be mocked by forum trolls, or (worse yet) actually provoke real fear reactions from Tank and Scrapper aficionados. Lastly, all of these suggestions will be ignored on the surface my reaction may seem negative underneath what looks like knee jerk negativity is an actual analysis of the state of Brutes. They have never been buffed. They will never be buffed. Tanks will be buffed. With AoEs. With T1/T2 fluidity in build choice. With something else in a few months. All ATs gets ATOs. It is no random chance Brutes ATOs suck and Tanks ATOs are very good and Scrappers ATOs are great. If you think that was random chance I truly feel sorry for you

If you do not want to discuss things do not do it. If you do not want other people to discuss things you are advocating censorship, or self censorship. That is the most polite way I can say that. I literally had to use willpower to say it that nice.

oh yeah. been there. then there are the "project toons" where i do the same sets over again as a tradition. used to take a SS/will or SS/invul brute through all redside content once a year.

Saying Fold Space benefits Brutes is like saying Inherent Fitness benefits Brutes. Or the ability to have access to Bases benefits Brutes. Changes to the Axe only affects Tanks and Scrappers as well, so points for picking something to talk about that did not benefit everyone who logged into the game.

The only change the current Dev team are willing to make to Brutes would be to adversely affect them. Bringing Brute ATO procs up to be as useful as other AT procs works against the goal. Now, if you have an interesting idea to buff Scrappers or Tanks they might give you a listen.

Thank the Cosmic Origins of Comic Book powers you guys got that nerfed. Who knows what could have happened if you let it go on...

Here is the Ice/Temporal/Cold that I settled on. For me it is better. Still not quite perma hasten, but better. Again, great ranged defense on a fully ranged toon. This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6 https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Mutation Blaster Primary Power Set: Ice Blast Secondary Power Set: Temporal Manipulation Power Pool: Flight Power Pool: Concealment Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Ice Bolt (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 1: Time Wall (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow (7) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow (9) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance (9) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow (11) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow (11) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge Level 2: Ice Blast (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (17) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 4: Time Stop (A) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold (17) Superior Entomb - Hold/Recharge (19) Superior Entomb - Endurance/Recharge (19) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold/Endurance (21) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold/Endurance/Recharge (21) Superior Entomb - Recharge/Chance for +Absorb Level 6: Aim (A) Recharge Reduction IO (23) Recharge Reduction IO Level 8: Freeze Ray (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (23) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (25) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (25) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (27) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (27) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 10: Chronos (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance (31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance (31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance (31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up Level 12: Ice Storm (A) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage (33) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance (33) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (33) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (34) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime (34) Superior Frozen Blast - Recharge/Chance for Immobilize Level 14: Fly (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points) Level 16: Stealth (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage (34) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime (36) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (36) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (36) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime (37) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge Level 20: Temporal Healing (A) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance (48) Numina's Convalesence - Endurance/Recharge (48) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge (50) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge (50) Numina's Convalesence - Heal (50) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery Level 22: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (37) Recharge Reduction IO Level 24: Maneuvers (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray (A) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage (37) Superior Defiant Barrage - Damage/RechargeTime (39) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime (39) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (39) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime (40) Superior Defiant Barrage - RechargeTime/+Status Level 28: Assault (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 30: Tactics (A) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception Level 32: Blizzard (A) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage (40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Damage/Recharge (40) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (42) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (42) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge (42) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Recharge/Chance for Fire Damage Level 35: Snow Storm (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow (43) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow (43) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance (43) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow (45) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow (45) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge Level 38: Flash Freeze (A) Call of the Sandman - Chance of Heal Self Level 41: Time Shift (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow (45) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow (46) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance (46) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow (46) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow (48) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge Level 44: Time Lord (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 47: Frozen Armor (A) Kismet - Accuracy +6% Level 49: Hoarfrost (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% Level 1: Defiance Level 1: Brawl | Copy & Paste this data into Mids Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1630;684;1368;HEX;| |78DA6594DB4E13511486D7B45381B680B516CA492850E5D4023E810A126B5A2C07B| |D6D2A9DB4938C6D438B912731510B6A3C808AA778BCF37861A26FE0852FE0E1054C| |5DCCEA6FF6A493CCEC6FCFDA7BFDFFDE7BD6A4AECCFBBF7D4D9E20AD7DCECA562A9| |953FCAC1AEBADA98D6AB66A968AB47FB5F01D6E4432CBD962DEC8C5136B860C8E22| |B0B2512E97D6ABF155E312B7592B93CA16CDF28625797CE952C98A2F5866BE500DD| |89C285E362BE645D332AB9B5EFBCD4AD930729D36268D6CCE58AF14CC72E074D95C| |8BCF95AC1C27DC17DA0CB39D21BE13E4B8EA1EA21AB7B33AB9680BB02DA0D34DC02| |D8103745BE0E438B79A23CD9ED618F258A0959E009E0A78E919E0B9C05947164EA3| |C18D1F6EFC70D301371D7073106EE6D88D5B75E3A6777A63C87B8143F401F051E03| |07D027C1648F25C8FE246F3D0A4087401528D93FDAFD402C35D301C86E1300CF7C2| |702F0CCFB3E136D5701BDD71D9917EBA0BB8277084EE037600BB028B3CD7A7A6F1D| |10B59CA10BD04BC02BC1688D01BC05B011FAFA85D591477BE8B403B473A1501EAA4| |107707743AC7DD802A1DA01DA4DD1518A1078087804702A3B427B0C01B1154D3046| |9493E8D695A06AC08CCD22AE03CE082C030FB0C2969B4100E6C1410E021DDEA52BA| |ED191C4973B747F5D043049B9AC0517201DC005DE018791A1F160BF4A9BBD8C75B6| |147821C1950A507A8C6FB1BD46989BB83AAF4205D7337D25E07DC1018A71A600BB0| |2D90E766584D338C6A9C40354EA01A27508D53A8C629546381D344559F51FA22913| |37C4C63AAC01804A6201083400C0231084C4320C169265581493A2E2B30B989AB91| |38FD25FB43FBE1279A51B775C63E468E4474E73FA8DEAF3BFF6D7CF7CA09249B233| |189A475E71F883B75BEE8A797DF6B8EF72332E35773644C22BF9B231159DE9FE6C8| |55A930FE6F386AAFFE0F5ABCC70A| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Here is my Ice Ice, it is not perma hasten but it has great ranged defense, on a pure ranged toon... This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6 https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Blaster Primary Power Set: Ice Blast Secondary Power Set: Ice Manipulation Power Pool: Flight Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Ice Bolt (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (3) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (5) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 1: Chilblain (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (7) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (9) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (9) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (11) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 2: Ice Blast (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (17) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 4: Frost Breath (A) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage (17) Artillery - Damage/Endurance (19) Artillery - Damage/Recharge (19) Artillery - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (21) Artillery - Accuracy/Recharge/Range (21) Artillery - Endurance/Recharge/Range Level 6: Aim (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge (23) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up Level 8: Freeze Ray (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage (27) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance (29) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge (29) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (31) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (31) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 10: Frigid Protection (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End (31) Performance Shifter - EndMod (33) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self (33) Power Transfer - EndMod (33) Theft of Essence - Chance for +Endurance Level 12: Ice Storm (A) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage (34) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance (34) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (34) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (36) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime (36) Superior Frozen Blast - Recharge/Chance for Immobilize Level 14: Fly (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points) Level 16: Build Up (A) Recharge Reduction IO (36) Recharge Reduction IO Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage (37) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime (37) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (37) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (39) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime (39) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge Level 20: Ice Patch (A) Recharge Reduction IO Level 22: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (39) Recharge Reduction IO Level 24: Maneuvers (A) Kismet - Accuracy +6% Level 26: Bitter Freeze Ray (A) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage (40) Superior Defiant Barrage - Damage/RechargeTime (40) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime (40) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (42) Superior Defiant Barrage - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime (42) Superior Defiant Barrage - RechargeTime/+Status Level 28: Shiver (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow (42) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow (43) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance (43) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow (43) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow (45) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge Level 30: Assault (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 32: Blizzard (A) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage (45) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Damage/Recharge (46) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (46) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance (46) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge (48) Superior Blaster's Wrath - Recharge/Chance for Fire Damage Level 35: Snow Storm (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow (48) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow (48) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance (50) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow (50) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow (50) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge Level 38: Flash Freeze (A) Bombardment - Damage/Recharge (45) Bombardment - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge Level 41: Frozen Armor (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 44: Hoarfrost (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% Level 47: Tactics (A) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception Level 49: Hibernate (A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery Level 1: Defiance Level 1: Brawl | Copy & Paste this data into Mids Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1618;674;1348;HEX;| |78DA7594DB6E12511486D7C00C500E45C05A4AA1056A2B5A0BC52730564DAA60D12| |6DE361398C0180213A089BE8189870B6F4C545A351E5AB59EE2F11DF40DBCF005D4| |5E7967C6C5AC59754F88930CFB9B596BFDFB5F7B33BB7CF964F0EB97D27190424B4| |DB5DB5D3B81BF3DADA394D5BA5E85C1E5C53B6EBF5EBBA0B6EA5A2DBF5CD52833CD| |81D575C368777A56A4ACB67463BDA9F6F4760B029576BB993FDDD4EB8D9EDFE2554| |3D36A610B4B9A5AD33ADD866E84286D90A5B7EA9153865ECD2FB59B35141BE85F89| |A38B34DECBE0B84C05A08F635106176C306C12C8709FE10181071E125CFDAF8C876| |57C2CE363193FCBF859E60C0E922823B14C9065822C33CA32A32CB38F65CEE2E016| |65DCE056EC1499200A0A8387603F78197C0425AC554419051EB9ACC80178CCF0842| |00E4F19B60812B04D50B6377D4FC6CB4D25B8A9243795E4A6A6B8A9296EEA1A0E23| |FF16C79447E0B6CB4EB9459086DFB20DBB0C515C88940CE7B02420542B017847291| |978CFF081E123C10C7C62F84C10C04642422FF8F08DE6BE8E8F61212285611EEC62| |1B567088881E22B045B207619BE119C373823978C1B04370036B63A287184F90457| |763C204D21847E6182298322EA4C038FC016B852A384C88EE260068C2432031B818| |DC0487416650086E62EDA42833093B929DF292E008BC6278CDF086E028BC2588A2C| |F94D8640AB7C58A9CC7615A9C601AEEB8EDE2BB040B708FA1CFB04150804D823A0E| |595126CB3E0BECB3C03E8BECB3C83E8BECB38132B3E2B6CFE23FD37603F419E9989| |213973C07C7C8C3F72058FBB21799B7F606372386EDE7C59A3CF4F17F1693E11296| |2E8A9145B8485632B2E3F430CDA4EC3C94F04ED01A9686230B14A9C8CE13081F4CB| |CE0871FDF4B8EF73354F1733892A3C8AFE148861ADF1D8ED8DF329E288E0FCCFC0B| |56C0BF4B| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Dark Invul is a very Synergistic pairing on Brutes Scrappers, and as Invul Dark on a Tank. Lean into recharge to bring up Soul Drain and Dull pain. Dark Dark is hella fun but harder to build. And run. Forget defense, build for Accuracy recharge and end management. To hit debuff, stealth, fear and stun are your defense. Great resists and best heal in the game

Just another benefit to Tanks and by extension a detriment to Brute play. Par for the course. Another couple months there will be another modification that benefits Tanks. The current Devs are building for Blasters. Blasters want one Tank, preferably not a Brute. They want to clean mobs without help. Putting out sugar cubes for Tankers is just polite

I must have been fantastically unclear in my post on this. Or people speed read. I was not comparing WoW to CoH. I was comparing CoH 2 months ago to CoH in the last week Ukase says my perception could be the issue. But it is my perception. on CoH, nothing to do with WoW except that is where I was. This has nothing to do with WoW. Wow, stop it already.

Without mentioning your build goals and intended use of the character ot would be hard to offer a critique I will say the few times I tried I found rad/rad completely unsatisfying to build or run. On a Brute, the only melee AT I regularly run. I found the Rad powerset slack and sloppy in combat, without that crisp feeling of powerful moves and obvious combinations. But I run a lot of SS and Dark so in that regard I am spoiled. I seem to remember the armors being toigh to get where I wanted them in MiDs planner. That is a vague memory But definitely include what you want out of this thing. Unless you just wanted me to start telling you, in general, where you went wrong? Wait, you did say with the build, danged I was hoping to share life wisdom.

You could read it that way. Or you could read my OP and realize I thought Brutes rarely topped Scrapper damage. (I never played Scrappers, still don't, and honestly I still wonder if Brutes all did this, or just a few powersets in specific situations with hyper one sided builds....)

And this is exactly the type of stuff (hard to define stuff) that is at the heart of one of my gripes. The game has evolved past Brutes. It just has. To add insult to the injury every once in a while they (you know,…them) will nerf another bit of Brute power or buff another melee class. Or give most ATs great ATOs and Brutes….garbage

Damn you. I was so close on this one too.

Okay, okay. I can read the room. But, how much does it pay?

Great posts aethereal and Erratic1. Spot on to my madness in both I do believe. I truly have no answers. Yes, I did believe Brutes generally did less damage than Scrappers. If not by much, pre nerf. I am sure (and this will never happen....and, erm, I have zero data) that if the Nerf was somehow undone Scrappers would now out damage Brutes. Because ATOs. But I saw someone post that Brutes are CURRENTLY outdamaging Scrappers without Scrap ATOs (They had a formula and everything!!!) Someone else (I vaguely recall I think I respect them....) Said Brutes damage is way closer to Tanks than Scrappers right now. Sigh. I got no F-ing clue. I just know in the modern game Brutes seem screwed. This has as much (and prob more) to do with Melee being in a shit game position due to high end mechanics like damage patches etc. Which, due to Brutes time on target style is worse on them by far. In my (prob not so humble) opinion

They're the ones that killed the OG?

I'm jealous, there is an "On Hold" thread, a "Hold on" thread, and I cannot think of something that fits the pattern to start a topic on...Hold on Hold....On Hold On.... Holdon....Onholdon....hmmmm

I’m on Excelsior. It looks to me way deader

You REALLY missed my point. It is night and day from when I left to when I got back a few fortnights later. It is different here NOW from here two months ago. Something changed HERE

I do not know about what is going on I do know this. I started playing WoW in approx early August. I “soloed” all Horde side on one Paladin. I started hanging out in CoH again the last few days. It is NIGHT and DAY different. It is dead. D E A D. Deadsville man, and that is sad. So, unless I was the glue holding everything together…. Someone changed something under the hood and people left. A LOT of people left. Keep in mind I am dead. And Nuetral. I am writing a book and developing an art practice. Carry on anyway you want to. I have no ownership But you may want to look around the empty theatre and ask who you are staging the performance for…

This is why I am so wary of results and statistics. I have done a bit of mathematics in my time. Statistics is the art of lying and making it look like science, in my opinion. I prefer to have discussions, listen to wildly varying opinions, disagree vehemently with people. Look at the conversation over time. With the benefit of the long view form an opinion of what all the “results” mean. To me, it is obvious things are worse for Brutes than they ever have been. And getting worse In the future