Xtreme Chaos Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 they kept all the BxR and BxB in halo and it made it more popular, you think you would go with the popular vote and bring it back.. otherwise this community might get even smaller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Method2 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) /signed To reiterate what I've said elsewhere: In an unofficial rebooted game with a small, devoted population -- especially within the context of PvP -- originalism (re: what Cryptic wanted to / should have done / what meets the definition of a "bug") is far less important than "does this make the game more enjoyable for those who care deeply enough about it to be fighting for it?" No one at Cryptic is going to give us a gold star for patching up decades-old mechanics, especially when there was already some development work done on Homecoming to make a PvP-specific power (Nullifier). Trying to apply a subjective label like "bug" is less relevant than considering the arguments for / against it from a well informed and devoted playerbase. Not to mention that there's no game completely free of arguable exploits like animation and attack canceling, frictionless bunnyhopping, and the list goes on. Nullifier root canceling also lowers the barrier to entry by allowing newer players to easily make the same use of it that veteran players do, instead of spending hours trying to practice ways to recreate the same mechanic without weapon redraw (i.e. jump canceling), which is just a waste of everyone's practice time. Not to mention, this impacts support classes the most and will have ripple effects on balancing changes later on. Suppose mez is changed in a way that allows Clear Mind / Clarity / Thaw to provide protection, such that teams no longer feel the need to soft-ban long duration mezzes. Emps already have over 2 seconds of rooting on most buffs and heals. Clarity is 1.5 seconds, and Thaw is over 2, all of which will serve to limit set diversity and discourage players from trying out an already underplayed role (support). Edited January 7, 2021 by Silent Method2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot2 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Silent Method2 said: /signed To reiterate what I've said elsewhere: In an unofficial rebooted game with a small, devoted population -- especially within the context of PvP -- originalism (re: what Cryptic wanted to / should have done / what meets the definition of a "bug") is far less important than "does this make the game more enjoyable for those who care deeply enough about it to be fighting for it?" No one at Cryptic is going to give us a gold star for patching up decades-old mechanics, especially when there was already some development work done on Homecoming to make a PvP-specific power (Nullifier). Trying to apply a subjective label like "bug" is less relevant than considering the arguments for / against it from a well informed and devoted playerbase. Not to mention that there's no game completely free of arguable exploits like animation and attack canceling, frictionless bunnyhopping, and the list goes on. Nullifier root canceling also lowers the barrier to entry by allowing newer players to easily make the same use of it that veteran players do, instead of spending hours trying to practice ways to recreate the same mechanic without weapon redraw (i.e. jump canceling), which is just a waste of everyone's practice time. Not to mention, this impacts support classes the most and will have ripple effects on balancing changes later on. Suppose mez is changed in a way that allows Clear Mind / Clarity / Thaw to provide protection, such that teams no longer feel the need to soft-ban long duration mezzes. Emps already have over 2 seconds of rooting on most buffs and heals. Clarity is 1.5 seconds, and Thaw is over 2, all of which will serve to limit set diversity and discourage players from trying out an already underplayed role (support). Thank you for your kind and considerate words @Silent Method, but unfortunately I will be forced to CHANGE your vote. On behalf of ‘The Renegades’ we vote AGAINST animation canceling. I believe we all can agree as a group, this is an unnecessary & easily abused tool. New players have no idea how to utilize it, as I have no idea how to use it, nor any interest in using it. You then decide to support the petition with basis that it helps support players. well as one of the FEW support MAINS, I will also speak on behalf of ALL support players, we also vote AGAINST animation canceling- of any kind. Thank you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macskull Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 /signed (to OP, not to whatever hot heals is trying to do) 1 "If you can read this, I've failed as a developer." -- Caretaker Proc information and chance calculator spreadsheet (last updated 15APR24) Player numbers graph (updated every 15 minutes) Graph readme @macskull/@Not Mac | Twitch | Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light- Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reib Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) Incursion Forever. Edited January 7, 2021 by reib 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Artic Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Hot2 said: Hello Developers, While there are many players who ABUSED animation canceling, not all of us AGREE. Some of us, who have always chosen to play the game the way it was intended, LOVE the changes. Animations are APART of the GAME. Please KEEP THE CHANGES! End animation canceling once and for all! thank you. /no sign /no sign thank you for ur wise words Hot The changes are good, the devs actually did the right thing P.S.: Im not suprised how many of the specific people in responses want it back lmfao Edited January 7, 2021 by Teh_Artic www.YouTube.com/TehArticPro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Artic Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, reib said: /signed Delete this reib 1 www.YouTube.com/TehArticPro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sessa Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtalamo Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreme Chaos Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Teh_Artic said: /no sign thank you for ur wise words Hot The changes are good, the devs actually did the right thing P.S.: Im not suprised how many of the specific people in responses want it back lmfao doesn't play the game and also has medical issues due to having a stroke and is known that sometimes says things he doesn't mean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreme Chaos Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 14 hours ago, Hot2 said: Thank you for your kind and considerate words @Silent Method, but unfortunately I will be forced to CHANGE your vote. On behalf of ‘The Renegades’ we vote AGAINST animation canceling. I believe we all can agree as a group, this is an unnecessary & easily abused tool. New players have no idea how to utilize it, as I have no idea how to use it, nor any interest in using it. You then decide to support the petition with basis that it helps support players. well as one of the FEW support MAINS, I will also speak on behalf of ALL support players, we also vote AGAINST animation canceling- of any kind. Thank you. doesn't play the game and is well known around the pvp community for his bad vibes and also giving liquor to minors, keep that in mind when checking the votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackHearted Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 People should think for themselves. I personally enjoy animation cancel'n as it keeps the movement pace fast in pvp. I'd prefer it be changed back. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuronia Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 /signed. As someone who almost exclusively plays Nature Corr, the Nullifier cancelling is a great boon when in gathers to launch the big Nature buffs. It's also somewhat useful if you have time to fire a Snipe, or to drop Phanton Army, or...any other number of situations where you'd just get rooted and fragged. Good example from Silent with CM, where you basically wave an arm benevolently, only to go to the 1606 dustbin shortly thereafter. Please keep the animation cancel of Nullifer as is, in Arena at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoninTru Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 /Signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Artic Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Xtreme Chaos said: doesn't play the game and also has medical issues due to having a stroke and is known that sometimes says things he doesn't mean Who doesnt play the game and has medical issues due to having a stroke and is known that sometimes says things he doesn't mean? Edited January 8, 2021 by Teh_Artic www.YouTube.com/TehArticPro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Artic Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, BlackHearted said: People should think for themselves. I personally enjoy animation cancel'n as it keeps the movement pace fast in pvp. I'd prefer it be changed back. Black come back we miss you, ALL of us Edited January 8, 2021 by Teh_Artic www.YouTube.com/TehArticPro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bama Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Thank you devs for your hard work on fixing this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Jay Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 /signed Put into practice that which cannot be thought Badges: Victory: 1345 Homecoming: 1596Discord: Blue Jay#2187 ♫❤️☯☺ Bluejays are fierce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Community Rep CR Mochi Posted January 8, 2021 Community Rep Share Posted January 8, 2021 Keeping an eye on this and I know several other people on the Homecoming team and gold standard testers discord are as well. It seems the majority of PvPers agree that cancelling animations via Nullifier (not emotes) is beneficial to PvP. I've been reading some good explanations and rationale from you all in the community and so consider me /signed (although others on the Homecoming team may disagree with me on this) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Take One Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I don't pvp but if they can make a change like this apply only to pvp, why not simply ask them to remove rooting from all attacks in pvp, if it's that much better? 1 Check out my stories in the Mission Architect. Just search for "@Take One" or "SFMA". Here are some enticing titles: Praetoria-related: Earth Revolution Red, Earth Revolution Blue Mercenary Action: West Libertalia: Born And Raised, West Libertalia: Global Empire, West Libertalia: Love And Rockets Soldier of Arachnos Arcs: The Tangled Weave, A Taste For Evil, Faultline By Night, The Warburg Connection, Various: Project Dragon, Evolve Or Die, The Murders in the RWZ Morgue, The Last Crystal Out Of Cimerora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bless1 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 /signed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentQ Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) A bit of a lurker on the actual forums, but /signed Edited January 8, 2021 by agentQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Dogger Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Take One said: I don't pvp but if they can make a change like this apply only to pvp, why not simply ask them to remove rooting from all attacks in pvp, if it's that much better? We have asked, but it would take a little more time. That's why the nullifier/crey's pistol was being allowed. It was a stealth change that wasn't allowed to be discussed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remedies Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 /signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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