Super Strength ST DPS

Gobbledygook · March 22, 2022

Until Scrappers and Stalkers get SS, I think the AT with the best chances of pulling off decent ST dps (no, I have not heard about this beyond the thread in the Scrapper forums) would be the Brute.

Unfortunately for me, (and my investment portfolio) I am no good with numbers.

What attacks from SS are mandatory, and what would help the most?

I'd like to avaoid Patron attacks, if possible, but am open to other pool powers, including LBE.

Everybody needs a Kryptonian, right?

Anyone have anyone attack chains lying around?

Erratic1 · March 22, 2022

Foot Stomp, Rage, and Knockout Blow are definite, must haves and a case could be made for Haymaker. I see no compelling reason to ever take Hand Clap. The other attacks are to taste--take/skip them if you want. On the upside, this leaves you room to take other powers (like Cross Punch, which can help your general lack of AoE options).

I have nothing against Super Strength (my SS/Bio being my most perfect creation to date), but have you considered Energy Melee? It is slightly less fixated on single target damage but still quite good at it.

Bopper · March 22, 2022

For ST DPS, you will need Rage, Knockout Blow, Gloom. Then you have to decide if you want Haymaker and/or Cross Punch, and maybe sprinkle in Dark Obliteration proc'd out.

Gobbledygook · March 22, 2022

10 minutes ago, Erratic1 said:

Foot Stomp, Rage, and Knockout Blow are definite, must haves and a case could be made for Haymaker. I see no compelling reason to ever take Hand Clap. The other attacks are to taste--take/skip them if you want. On the upside, this leaves you room to take other powers (like Cross Punch, which can help your general lack of AoE options).

I have nothing against Super Strength (my SS/Bio being my most perfect creation to date), but have you considered Energy Melee? It is slightly less fixated on single target damage but still quite good at it.

have a Em/Rad Scrapper that I love, was just wanting to revisit SS since I haven't played since beforethe Servers were shut down.

Cross Punch was definitely part of the plan. Well, in the idea box. Don't really have a plan, yet.

Hyperstrike · March 22, 2022

So Gob. Maybe something like this?

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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Invulnerability
Secondary Power Set: Super Strength
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(3), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(3), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(5), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(5), GldArm-3defTpProc(7)
Level 1: Jab -- SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg(A), SprGntFis-Dmg/Rchg(7), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), SprGntFis-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprGntFis-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), SprGntFis-Rchg/+Absorb(11)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(15), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(17), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 4: Kick -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A)
Level 6: Dull Pain -- Prv-Absorb%(A)
Level 8: Resist Elements -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(19), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(19), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 10: Taunt -- PrfZng-Dam%(A)
Level 12: Unyielding -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(21), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(23), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 14: Resist Energies -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(25), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27)
Level 16: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(27), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(29), UnbGrd-Max HP%(29)
Level 18: Invincibility -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(31), Rct-ResDam%(31), GssSynFr--Build%(33)
Level 20: Knockout Blow -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(34), SprBlsCol-Rchg/HoldProc(34)
Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(36)
Level 24: Cross Punch -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(37)
Level 26: Tough Hide -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(39)
Level 28: Rage -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(39)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(39)
Level 32: Boxing -- AbsAmz-ToHitDeb%(A)
Level 35: Hurl -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(40), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 38: Foot Stomp -- SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMghoft-Dmg/Rchg(42), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), SprMghoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), SprMghoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), SprMghoft-Rchg/Res%(45)
Level 41: Gloom -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(45), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(46), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(46)
Level 44: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 47: Soul Tentacles -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(48), Artl-Dam/Rech(48), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(50), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(50), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(50)
Level 49: Super Jump -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(13), Mrc-Rcvry+(13)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(15)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 49: Double Jump
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Gobbledygook · March 22, 2022

That's a nice looking Tank, I'll swap it around to Brute and have a look. I honestly haven't decided between /Inv or /Ena yet. I may do both and start one Goldside.

You happen to have a spare SS/Ena build lying around as well?

SeraphimKensai · March 22, 2022

11 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

I see no compelling reason to ever take Hand Clap.

Hand clap has one case use where it shines, stacking the stun with Oppressive Gloom from Dark Armor, and being proc'd with KB/KD and FF: recharge. It provides great mitigation to the whole team stunning mobs and knocking things on their asses.

Personally I'm in the camp though that it should do some modicum of damage as well, in which event would make it almost mandatory as otherwise SS gets no aoe until Footstomp.

Hyperstrike · March 22, 2022

49 minutes ago, Gobbledygook said:

That's a nice looking Tank, I'll swap it around to Brute and have a look. I honestly haven't decided between /Inv or /Ena yet. I may do both and start one Goldside.

You happen to have a spare SS/Ena build lying around as well?

You mean...

LIKE THIS!?!?!?!?!?

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Valk ZIS VAY!: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Energy Aura
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- Hct-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Hct-Acc/Rchg(3), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Hct-Dam%(5)
Level 1: Kinetic Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(7), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(7), Rct-ResDam%(9)
Level 2: Haymaker -- CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx(13), CrsImp-Dmg/Rchg(13), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), CrsImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 4: Dampening Field -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(17), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(19), UnbGrd-Max HP%(19), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(21), GldArm-3defTpProc(21)
Level 6: Power Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(23)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBrtFur-Dmg/Rchg(23), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(25), SprBrtFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25), SprBrtFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(27), SprBrtFur-Rech/Fury%(27)
Level 10: Entropic Aura -- PrfZng-Dam%(A)
Level 12: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 14: Kick -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A)
Level 16: Energy Protection -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(29), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(29), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 18: Rage -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(31), GssSynFr--Build%(31)
Level 20: Energy Cloak -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(33)
Level 22: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(33), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(33), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34)
Level 24: Weave -- ShlWal-Def(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(34)
Level 26: Cross Punch -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(34), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(37)
Level 28: Energy Drain -- ShlWal-Def(A), ShlWal-Def/Rchg(37)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(37)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg(A), SprUnrFur-Dmg/Rchg(39), SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), SprUnrFur-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprUnrFur-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprUnrFur-Rchg/+Regen/+End(40)
Level 35: Gloom -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(40), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(42), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(43)
Level 38: Soul Tentacles -- Rgn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Rgn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Rgn-Acc/Rchg(43), Rgn-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Rgn-Knock%(45)
Level 41: Energize -- Prv-Heal/Rchg(A), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(45), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Hurl -- Apc-Dmg/Rchg(A), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46), Apc-Acc/Rchg(46), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Apc-Dam%(48)
Level 47: Overload -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), Prv-Absorb%(50), PwrTrns-+Heal(50)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- ShlWal-Def(A), ShlWal-Def/EndRdx(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- IntRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(9), Mrc-Rcvry+(11)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(11)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
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Erratic1 · March 22, 2022

1 hour ago, Gobbledygook said:

That's a nice looking Tank, I'll swap it around to Brute and have a look. I honestly haven't decided between /Inv or /Ena yet. I may do both and start one Goldside.

You happen to have a spare SS/Ena build lying around as well?

That entire Tank to Brute translation bit where you have to sink more slots into bringing up Resistance/Defense is where the problem begins and usually hard choices have to be made.

Gobbledigook · March 22, 2022

It is a shame you don't want the patron attacks. Rage works very well with them.

Gobbledygook · March 24, 2022

On 3/22/2022 at 7:01 PM, Gobbledegook said:

It is a shame you don't want the patron attacks. Rage works very well with them.

Well, from the advice I'm getting, it seems Gloom will be mandatory.

Would you recommend a different patron pool?

Erratic1 · March 24, 2022

30 minutes ago, Gobbledygook said:

Well, from the advice I'm getting, it seems Gloom will be mandatory.

While you have to satisfy yourself, in dpa terms it is roughly equivalent to Knockout Blow. If you're focusing on single target damage, it would seem to be a real plus.

Personally, I went with Earth Mastery, but I was working with a different imperative.

Gobbledigook · March 24, 2022

6 hours ago, Gobbledygook said:

Well, from the advice I'm getting, it seems Gloom will be mandatory.

Would you recommend a different patron pool?

Gloom and dark obliteration are good and are what i usually use. Some of the other Epics are ok though if you have a theme like Pyre, Mu etc.

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