War Witch

[Greycat]

On 10/26/2022 at 6:04 AM, KingCeddd03 said:

2. Numina is dead so she can not possess magic powers no pretending there

 

And where *in COH* are you getting this definition? You're copying from a wiki that has absolutely nothing to do with COH. "Superpowers wiki" means jack-all here, or anywhere other than itself, frankly. If *YOU* want to have that restriction for *YOUR* characters, fine. Don't try using it as any sort of support for what is or isn't generally or lore-wise allowed here.

[TraumaTrain]

Where, in what story arc/TF/itrial/contact does War Witch come back/get a new body?

 

 

Do you think Numina gets hungry?

 

 

Is the Red Widow (post the Spring event arc) alive, dead, undead, or unalive?

 

 

[lemming]

1 minute ago, TraumaTrain said:

Where, in what story arc/TF/itrial/contact does War Witch come back/get a new body?

 

 

Do you think Numina gets hungry?

 

 

Is the Red Widow (post the Spring event arc) alive, dead, undead, or unalive?

 

 

1) Percy arc iirc in the Nightward

2) Psychologically she may miss eating, similar to phantom limb feelings?

3) I think she has been brought back to life.

[Rudra]

War Witch was resurrected at the end of the Night Ward arcs, in the battle against Lamashtu and Soreress Serene. And Red Widow is alive. The player actually resurrects her, which is the reason for the ritual you are left to figure out how to do on your own.

[TerroirNoir2]

Well, as for a new trio, with Horus being gone and all, plus I imagine his original costume would be a pain to make, I just played through a long AE where the author had included Thunderclap from the very first promo comic!  He then meets Apex and War Witch but doesn't reappear in the later comics.  A bit like Incandescent though, he's in the canon too and could just be "out there fighting the good fight".

 

 

[KingCeddd03]

9 hours ago, TraumaTrain said:

Where, in what story arc/TF/itrial/contact does War Witch come back/get a new body?

 

 

Do you think Numina gets hungry?

 

 

Is the Red Widow (post the Spring event arc) alive, dead, undead, or unalive?

 

 

by doing the story arc in night ward given by the magician it would explain on how she got Sorceress Serenes body 

[KingCeddd03]

12 hours ago, Greycat said:

 

And where *in COH* are you getting this definition? You're copying from a wiki that has absolutely nothing to do with COH. "Superpowers wiki" means jack-all here, or anywhere other than itself, frankly. If *YOU* want to have that restriction for *YOUR* characters, fine. Don't try using it as any sort of support for what is or isn't generally or lore-wise allowed here.

Superpowers wiki is a tool that tells what the power is correctly called and also tells what the powers in question can and should do. even though COX is a hero game I believe that that still applies to COX as well as other superpower-based things

[KingCeddd03]

11 hours ago, TraumaTrain said:

Where, in what story arc/TF/itrial/contact does War Witch come back/get a new body?

 

 

Do you think Numina gets hungry?

 

 

Is the Red Widow (post the Spring event arc) alive, dead, undead, or unalive?

 

 

Red widow has been brought back to life, she's somewhat a threat only by word of mouth

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, KingCeddd03 said:

Superpowers wiki is a tool that tells what the power is correctly called and also tells what the powers in question can and should do. even though COX is a hero game I believe that that still applies to COX as well as other superpower-based things

It is one take on super powers. It is not CoX's take on super powers. It is also fairly ridiculous. For instance: https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Clotting

 

The Blood Clotting power!

Also Called

• Bleed Stop
• Blood Stop

Capabilities

The user has the power to stop themselves or others from bleeding.

 

Or as most people I know call it: First Aid.

 

That site has so many gradations of powers, it boggles. A lot of which are simply the same thing except from a different source. Such as:

Medical Mastery

Medical Torture Mastery

Medical/Lab Device Manipulation

Medical/Lab Weaponry Proficiency

Medicine Creation

Medicine Manipulation

Let's see... Hmm... Medical Mastery? You're a doctor. Medical Torture Mastery? You're an evil doctor. Medical/Lab Device Manipulation? You're a doctor or nurse or tech. Medical/Lab weaponry proficiency? You're a doctor, nurse, or tech improperly using your tools intentionally to cause harm. Medicine Creation? You're a pharmacist. Medicine Manipulation? You're a doctor or pharmacist. (Edit: Most of those powers could just be called Medical Skill, though 2 could instead be called Medical Abuse.)

 

Yeah, that site's a joke and a half.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Rudra
Edited to remove extra "a".

[Greycat]

14 hours ago, KingCeddd03 said:

Superpowers wiki is a tool that tells what the power is correctly called and also tells what the powers in question can and should do. even though COX is a hero game I believe that that still applies to COX as well as other superpower-based things

 

You can *believe* that all you want. Reality, however, solidly disagrees with you.

 

The powers are "correctly called" whatever they are called in game. Not what some completely unrelated webpage has to call it or say about anything else. The powers in game do whatever they're designed to in game, not what some schlub vomited out on a completely unrelated wiki somewhere else.

 

 

[Grouchybeast]

24 minutes ago, Greycat said:

The powers are "correctly called" whatever they are called in game. Not what some completely unrelated webpage has to call it or say about anything else. The powers in game do whatever they're designed to in game, not what some schlub vomited out on a completely unrelated wiki somewhere else.

 

Although speaking of which: Superior Mystic Ghost Physiology.  Ghosts that can possess magic and other superpowers.

 

(That site is fun, because a lot of it is obviously generated from templates, leading to some interesting oddities like talking about ghosts having their DNA mutated.)

[KingCeddd03]

10 hours ago, Grouchybeast said:

 

Although speaking of which: Superior Mystic Ghost Physiology.  Ghosts that can possess magic and other superpowers.

 

(That site is fun, because a lot of it is obviously generated from templates, leading to some interesting oddities like talking about ghosts having their DNA mutated.)

was it ever specified that numina was a superior mystic if i do recall she was testing her powers when she astral projected 

[Grouchybeast]

18 minutes ago, KingCeddd03 said:

was it ever specified that numina was a superior mystic if i do recall she was testing her powers when she astral projected 

 

The page doesn't say that it requires her to be a superior mystic. It says that it's someone who is a combination of Superior Ghost Physiology and Mystic Human Physiology. Superior Ghost Physiology is defined as a ghost that can use superpowers, which is clearly the case with Numina.  She's a Controller with Mind Control and Empathy.  Mystic Human Physiology is defined as a human with the innate power to wield magic.  Numina was born with the ability to use magic, so she definitely counts as that.  (Also, she wasn't 'testing her powers'.  She was a fully fledged member of the Midnighter Squad who had been sent on a mission to the Earth's core to stop the Red Threat destroying the world.)

 

So, yes, according to the definitions given on that site, Numina is a magic-using ghost.

[KingCeddd03]

oh ok

[KingCeddd03]

On 11/6/2022 at 1:08 PM, Greycat said:

 

And where *in COH* are you getting this definition? You're copying from a wiki that has absolutely nothing to do with COH. "Superpowers wiki" means jack-all here, or anywhere other than itself, frankly. If *YOU* want to have that restriction for *YOUR* characters, fine. Don't try using it as any sort of support for what is or isn't generally or lore-wise allowed here.

look if the person is using superpowers, it has everything to do with the wiki however it does not define the character the wiki is a The encyclopedia for superpowers that anyone can edit!

so yes it has everything to do with anyone that uses power 

[Glacier Peak]

What is this thread even about?

[KingCeddd03]

45 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

What is this thread even about?

was about war witch

[Luminara]

3 hours ago, Glacier Peak said:

What is this thread even about?

 

It's about two pages long.

[Rudra]

5 hours ago, KingCeddd03 said:

look if the person is using superpowers, it has everything to do with the wiki however it does not define the character the wiki is a The encyclopedia for superpowers that anyone can edit!

so yes it has everything to do with anyone that uses power 

Thank you for putting the emphasis on the site's editing. Here's something for you to consider: wikis that allow anyone to edit are often garbage sites. That was the problem wikipedia had for a while. It allowed anyone to edit it because that was figured to be a good way to get relevant information out to people. Except it became full of misinformation, disinformation, and flat out made up garbage. So who can edit wikipedia now? The site's moderators/editors, and no one else.

 

That super powers wiki is full of attempts to make a single power look like its several powers instead of a single power used in different ways. (Or just the same power given a different name.) It's full of entries where you can see people are adding things for the sake of being able to say they added something to the site. So that site is a very poor reference for what the various super powers are. Especially in the context of CoH which obviously uses a different approach to defining super powers.

 

(You know why a super powers wiki typically fails? Because there are as many different super powers that exist as the person can imagine. And they can even have the same name, but be completely different. And that is before you even get into the failure that the super powers wiki you like to cite is in and of itself.)

 

Hmm. Maybe this thread should be renamed the super powers wiki debate thread since that seems to be the focus of the thread now.

[KingCeddd03]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

Thank you for putting the emphasis on the site's editing. Here's something for you to consider: wikis that allow anyone to edit are often garbage sites. That was the problem wikipedia had for a while. It allowed anyone to edit it because that was figured to be a good way to get relevant information out to people. Except it became full of misinformation, disinformation, and flat out made up garbage. So who can edit wikipedia now? The site's moderators/editors, and no one else.

 

That super powers wiki is full of attempts to make a single power look like its several powers instead of a single power used in different ways. (Or just the same power given a different name.) It's full of entries where you can see people are adding things for the sake of being able to say they added something to the site. So that site is a very poor reference for what the various super powers are. Especially in the context of CoH which obviously uses a different approach to defining super powers.

 

(You know why a super powers wiki typically fails? Because there are as many different super powers that exist as the person can imagine. And they can even have the same name, but be completely different. And that is before you even get into the failure that the super powers wiki you like to cite is in and of itself.)

 

Hmm. Maybe this thread should be renamed the super powers wiki debate thread since that seems to be the focus of the thread now.

so question, where do the ideas of powers and how they are used come from?

[Ruin Mage]

Not from that wiki, that's for sure.

[Rudra]

47 minutes ago, KingCeddd03 said:

so question, where do the ideas of powers and how they are used come from?

From the people who imagine it and then write it up. You think the writers and artists that made comics had some wiki to go to? You think new characters are made using some wiki? They are made from the writers' imaginations. And that is where their powers come from.

[KingCeddd03]

5 hours ago, Rudra said:

From the people who imagine it and then write it up. You think the writers and artists that made comics had some wiki to go to? You think new characters are made using some wiki? They are made from the writers' imaginations. And that is where their powers come from.

thats no different than the wiki

[Ruin Mage]

That Wiki didn't exist back when Ditko, Kirby, Lee, or others started up Marvel & DC. Or Image Comics, etc so forth and on we go.

Some things appeared out of thin air and originality. Others simply used the tried and true common tropes of "What superpower would you want?" that you get asked on websites or as a kid.

That wiki isn't some End All Be All Resource, doofus.

[Rudra]

It is very different from the wiki. The wiki tries to be an expansive list of all thing super, but is instead a lesson in nonsensical hilarity. It wants to be an authority on all things super, but fails at it. Not least of which is because someone somewhere has a different idea of what powers are and do.

 

The people who imagine and write up their powers? They aren't constrained by what someone else writes on a wiki. They are constrained by their ability to create, innovate, and imagine.

 

Edit:

If you want to constrain yourself to what others tell you is a super power, how it looks, what it does, how it can be applied? That's fine. Your choice. If you want to constrain yourself to using that site as your end-all-be-all reference for all things super? That's fine. That's your choice. If you want everyone else to be likewise constrained? Well, now we have a problem.

 

That site has nothing to with City of Heroes/Villains. It has nothing to do with Champions Online. It has nothing to do with DC Universe Online. It has nothing to do with anything super character related other than itself. It's that simple.

Edited November 9, 2022 by Rudra