Rudra Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, kelika2 said: 1 hour ago, Bopper said: Second, Ice Patch summoned from Frozen Aura contradicts each other. Frozen Aura does a sleep effect. The knock from the ice patch will instantly wake up any foe you cause to sleep. So do damage auras and constant aoes from 7 or more players and we still get along nicely. Good point. However, that team that is disrupting the Ice Melee's Frozen Aura's sleep? Is also killing everything on the map right alongside the Ice Melee character. Now, a solo player on the other hand? Doesn't have the extra attacks from teammates to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatstroke Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Hell to the naw... to the naw naw naw... leave my Ice Patch alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 45 minutes ago, golstat2003 said: Making a suggestion and giving no reasoning as to why There is already an example of someone getting a why and still not being happy. Its in this thread actually Hurts future whys because why even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, megaericzero said: You can certainly use it that way. It's a bit weird though because this is a forum so it ... kind of is a place to hang out? Because when people get TOO comfortable with a certain place they become stagnant. mark some names in this thread and watch them in others suggestion threads. many of them are saying jranger without saying jranger because they cant say jranger because of the great jranger purge we had a few years ago. was literally 25%~ of this subforum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golstat2003 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Heatstroke said: Hell to the naw... to the naw naw naw... leave my Ice Patch alone And this is why the why is needed. You are requesting a power many others already use and like be changed and a set many folks use and liked be changed. The reasoning for the suggestion is for the DEVS not for other readers. The devs won’t go around changing powers willy milly without adequate justification. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaericzero Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 hours ago, kelika2 said: mark some names in this thread and watch them in others suggestion threads. many of them are saying jranger without saying jranger because they cant say jranger because of the great jranger purge we had a few years ago. was literally 25%~ of this subforum. Yes, I'm familiar with the usuals. I lurk the Suggestions & Ideas forum often but only post in bursts. I never see anyone disagree/jranger with a suggestion without good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 hours ago, golstat2003 said: And this is why the why is needed. yeah but who is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, megaericzero said: I never see anyone disagree/jranger with a suggestion without good reason. Now this is just a lie. If that was true then why were the posts nuked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.I.D.A. Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 5:25 PM, kelika2 said: Because even after you found out A Why from someone else you were still overwhelmingly negative. Because it's a shitty idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 11, 2023 Author Share Posted October 11, 2023 3 hours ago, A.I.D.A. said: Because it's a shitty idea. Some people refuse to be happy, my idea didnt make him like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.I.D.A. Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 You're allowed to post whatever drivel sort of suggestion you want here. Conversely, everyone else on this forum is allowed to post what they think about your suggestion. It really isn't hard, you just have some really bad ideas and a habit of doubling down on them when the idea is called out, and pretending people are personally attacking you when in reality, you just had a shitty idea. This forum is called "Suggestions & Feedback." If you just want to leave a suggestion and not receive any feedback on it, try looking for the "Suggestions Without Feedback" forum-- oh wait, there isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honoroit Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 ice patch is nice, it makes things fall down.. but itd be neat if it shattered like frasil in dragon's dogma... i get the op, when they seem to want something offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Powersets are more than just attack powers, and that's a good thing. A power not dealing damage does not mean that it's useless, nor does giving a power a damage component suddenly make it useful. I would much rather have variety in the powerset options than a strict uniformity that strips them of any character... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomo Kimyata Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 7:26 PM, kelika2 said: Because to me, this forum is like putting a suggestion into a hat and hope one day something gets changed. Other people however made it into a hangout. You thinking I have to sway you in any way shape or form is baffling to me. Just let me suggest bro. Hey bro. Every one of your suggestions is "Make something do more damage". AND you want all the secondary benefits to stay in place, because all you see is I WANT MORE DAMAGE, so the tradeoff between better survival and more damage doesn't mean anything. I understand that, and I get why you want more, just like a child wants more lollies. More is better to you and you cannot even grasp why there is a tradeoff between damage and survivability. I have no hope that you will say, huh, maybe there should be tradeoffs. I know you feel like you are the first person to discover ice melee or staff fighting or mind control and you rage at the unfairness that they don't do pure damage. But you aren't the first person. I have no idea if you are running Homecoming, but I hope that when you post really mindless self serving posts in Suggestions that are "MORE FOR ME!" that my simple "no" will help serve as a stop for the devs to hear that maybe someone doesn't want MORE FOR YOU. My suggestion to you is to make suggestions that you think will be good for everyone, not just you. Cheers. 1 3 Who run Bartertown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, honoroit said: but itd be neat if it shattered like frasil in dragon's dogma I'm not against there being some secondary effect, like shattering the ice patch, but I would only want it to occur when I specifically want it to - I wouldn't want it to become a targetable pseudo-pet like oil slick arrow, where someone else could "activate" it and undo the soft control I was going for. Perhaps casting ice patch replaces the power icon with a "shatter" power, which does as you described, so only the caster can opt to do so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honoroit Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 46 minutes ago, biostem said: I'm not against there being some secondary effect, like shattering the ice patch, but I would only want it to occur when I specifically want it to - I wouldn't want it to become a targetable pseudo-pet like oil slick arrow, where someone else could "activate" it and undo the soft control I was going for. Perhaps casting ice patch replaces the power icon with a "shatter" power, which does as you described, so only the caster can opt to do so... thats how it works in dragons dogma... well sort of. you hold down the cast, which is a pbaoe, then when you do another ability it snaps off in cone to finish. what you suggest about turning it into a little patch-shatter-to-press would work nicely, i think anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said: tradeoff Go through the patch notes and write down how many changes to main power sets vs tradeoffs there were. Like, did you snap at the devs when Ninjas and Zombies moved up in the world? Did you nut hard when Burn got a secondary burn patch with Fiery Embrace? Did you write long drawn out posts when Sonic Blast's aoe got stronger than a pool power? 2 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said: My suggestion to you is to make suggestions that you think will be good for everyone, not just you. I have been. I never said I wanted Ice Patch to go away, but to get moved to Frozen Aura. Stand down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 hours ago, biostem said: Powersets are more than just attack powers, and that's a good thing. A power not dealing damage does not mean that it's useless, nor does giving a power a damage component suddenly make it useful. I would much rather have variety in the powerset options than a strict uniformity that strips them of any character... While I do strongly believe that power sets need skippable powers (taunts, pbaoe holds with 4 min recharges, caut. blaze, rezzes, etc) you can still look for ways to improve things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelika2 Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said: My suggestion to you is to make suggestions that you think will be good for everyone, not just you. Oh, afterthought: you cant make everyone happy What you suggested is impossible to do because taking in all the variables such as do you solo do you group all the time do you like being a bent fork secondaries build types, ie person1 might go permahasten, person2 might go ranged defense for the same character and changing something would effect both resulting in person3 coming in explaining how they hate to do respecs and person1 and person2 agreeing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudra Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, kelika2 said: 3 hours ago, Yomo Kimyata said: My suggestion to you is to make suggestions that you think will be good for everyone, not just you. Oh, afterthought: you cant make everyone happy What you suggested is impossible to do because taking in all the variables such as do you solo do you group all the time do you like being a bent fork secondaries build types, ie person1 might go permahasten, person2 might go ranged defense for the same character and changing something would effect both resulting in person3 coming in explaining how they hate to do respecs and person1 and person2 agreeing. It's only as impossible as you choose to make it. While it is very much impossible to make everyone happy, you can still account for whether someone solos or teams. To a point you can account for secondaries, by basing your calculations or ideas off of the most likely best case and worst case pairings in your opinion. And how a person builds their characters isn't even part of the equation, because you need to look at the base build, not the optimized builds or the builds in between. So basically? You're just making excuses to keep pitching ideas that step on others to benefit specifically you and your preference for what you think the game should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, kelika2 said: While I do strongly believe that power sets need skippable powers (taunts, pbaoe holds with 4 min recharges, caut. blaze, rezzes, etc) you can still look for ways to improve things. What you call "skippable" others find quite useful. Don't dismiss a power just because you can't think of a way to make it work or it doesn't suit your play style. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nihilii Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, kelika2 said: Go through the patch notes and write down how many changes to main power sets vs tradeoffs there were. Mate, you're completely unhinged. Yomo was explaining to you there's more to the game than plain damage numbers. Bizarre rants replete with vulgarity and whataboutism about buffs to underpowered sets have no relation with that point. Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honoroit Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 while youre back and forth throwing hard nuts at each other's throats, i would like to point out that no one has sent me any influence for my shadow auras at @finnthehuman if ice patch dropped from using frozen aura... sure... whats going in the hole from ice patch? people tend to pitch a powercreep kanipshun. but im all about that forward progress, and momentum! figs - who engages in high brow convos w/ calm demeanor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srmalloy Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 hours ago, kelika2 said: I never said I wanted Ice Patch to go away, but to get moved to Frozen Aura. And to have the slot for the power in the powerset changed to an additional attack All your protestations about how you aren't suggesting that Ice Patch be removed can't hide the fact that you want it folded into another power so you can have another damaging attack replacing it in the powerset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honoroit Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 if ice patch had a shatter the player could trigger, that consumes the patch, for conal or sphere aoe, everyone would be happy! the cc goes away, it becomes a trap of sorts, it does the damages, and hell make it debuff you if you pop the shatter. big success, no collusion, total exhonoration, perfect phone call, right? The city is rotting, and it is indeed cesspools of blood. - Figs, power balance president 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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