Incarnate Interface - What is a damaging attack?

[Mir2]

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The Interface Slot Abilities grant a chance of effect to most of your damaging attacks.

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What is a damaging attack? (I'm specifically considering my Ill/Kin Troller when I ask most questions)

 

1. Is Phantasm a damaging attack?
2. Is Phantom Army a damaging attack?
3. Is Spectral Terror with "Glimpse of the Abyss - Chance for Damage" a damaging attack when it procs?
4. Is Fulcrum Shift? (It does no damage, but requires a "to hit"; never sure what other people intend when they write things)

 

Thanks

 

[Greycat]

As it's worded, I'd have to answer:

 

1. No, it's a pet.

2. Is also a pet.

3. No, the proc isn't the power damaging, it's the set doing a chance for damage.

4. No, or at least it shouldn't be. As you mention, it does no damage - never mentions anything about to hit.

 

Those are, of course, how I'm reading it. Though you can always check on the test server, it should show up in the combat logs.

 

For an ill/kin, I'd think you'd mostly have it triggering on Spectral Wounds and the hold, plus whatever pool attacks you might have. Again, going by that wording.

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Greycat

[Psyonico]

I'm actually fairly certain interface does proc on pet attacks.  I'll jump on one of my illusion controllers in a bit and test it out.

[Mir2]

Thanks for the feedback thus far. 
 

i always forget about the test server and combat log. The latter usually displays so much as to be worthless. But alone on a test server should help. 

[Mir2]

  On 11/25/2023 at 6:29 PM, Psyonico said:

I'm actually fairly certain interface does proc on pet attacks.  I'll jump on one of my illusion controllers in a bit and test it out.

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I saw someone mention it working on MM Thug powers, but I’ve always felt MM pets (even Gang War) to be more like attack powers than pets. 

[srmalloy]

IIRC, if you can slot damage enhancements in the power, or it's one of the small number of powers that have unenhanceable damage in the power description, it's a 'damaging power'.

[Luminara]

Yes, yes, no, no.  The conditional refers to powers which natively deal damage with no enhancements slotted.  That includes pets, pseudo-pets and henches.

[Psyonico]

ok, just confirmed, on both Phantom Army and Phantasm, interface will in fact proc.

[Mir2]

  On 11/25/2023 at 7:18 PM, Luminara said:

Yes, yes, no, no.  The conditional refers to powers which natively deal damage with no enhancements slotted.  That includes pets, pseudo-pets and henches.

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  On 11/25/2023 at 7:25 PM, Psyonico said:

ok, just confirmed, on both Phantom Army and Phantasm, interface will in fact proc.

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Thank you both. Makes sense. 

[Snarky]

  On 11/25/2023 at 7:18 PM, Luminara said:

Yes, yes, no, no.  The conditional refers to powers which natively deal damage with no enhancements slotted.  That includes pets, pseudo-pets and henches.

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Thanks for the info.  I would have assumed pets were a no.  Pseudo pets are odd but would almost have to be coded for because of Ice and such.  Otherwise Ice Blasters would be even more F-ed than they were to begin with

[wjrasmussen]

  On 11/25/2023 at 7:03 PM, Mir2 said:

I saw someone mention it working on MM Thug powers, but I’ve always felt MM pets (even Gang War) to be more like attack powers than pets. 

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Are you saying that because you feel that way you should get the benefit as if it were?

[Mir2]

  On 11/25/2023 at 8:42 PM, wjrasmussen said:

Are you saying that because you feel that way you should get the benefit as if it were?

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No.  Just pointing out some possible interaction.   Trying to figure out how things work. Nothing more. 

[Scarlet Shocker]

  On 11/25/2023 at 7:49 PM, Snarky said:

Thanks for the info.  I would have assumed pets were a no.  Pseudo pets are odd but would almost have to be coded for because of Ice and such.  Otherwise Ice Blasters would be even more F-ed than they were to begin with

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I'd have untuited the same, but then again, if you play a pet heavy character and don't get a benefit from that, then it's a bit gimped. So in-depth analysis suggests pets should be part of its conditional trigger as indeed they seem to be. Otherwise you'd reduced by 5 attacks on your primary as an MM

[Snarky]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:02 PM, Scarlet Shocker said:

 

I'd have untuited the same, but then again, if you play a pet heavy character and don't get a benefit from that, then it's a bit gimped. So in-depth analysis suggests pets should be part of its conditional trigger as indeed they seem to be. Otherwise you'd reduced by 5 attacks on your primary as an MM

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People play MMs?   😳

[Scarlet Shocker]

  On 11/27/2023 at 6:25 PM, Snarky said:

People play MMs?   😳

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Allegedly!

[Riverdusk]

I'm actually surprised by how many didn't seem to know pet attacks benefited.  Don't really even need to dig into combat logs as the most common interface choices have pretty obvious graphic effects on enemies when they trigger.   But I guess you have to actually play a pet class (and probably solo at that), to notice and know for sure it is the pet doing it.