Thunderbolts* (MCU)

[TTRPGWhiz]

1 hour ago, Ghost said:

That’s worrisome.

Once “it’s wasn’t too bad” becomes the acceptable norm, we are screwed as moviegoers.

I mean, at a certain point in life you stop being amazed by movies. It’s some real goalpost moving to look at a C+ review and

think, “man, I remember when a B+ was the average…”

[TTRPGWhiz]

On 4/30/2025 at 1:50 PM, GM Crumpet said:

I'm waiting on the Critical Drinker review

This explains so much about how these forums work.

 

ETA: lol, never disappoints. Critical Drinker’s review is out, it takes him exactly 63 seconds to make a disparaging remark about “modern feminism”. These takes are all so boring.

Edited yesterday at 10:33 AM by TTRPGWhiz

[Hedgefund]

Grifters gonna grift.

 

I enjoyed T-bolts.  I kept expecting Sentry to make an inspiring speech about repelling an alien invasion.  No paternity test needed to see he's Bill Pullman's son.  B+ from me on the MCU scale.

Edited yesterday at 11:29 AM by Hedgefund

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

I mean, at a certain point in life you stop being amazed by movies. It’s some real goalpost moving to look at a C+ review and

think, “man, I remember when a B+ was the average…”

I think there’s a big difference between being amazed, and thinking a movie is good.

 

After watching a movie, if I think back on it and go “enjoyable, but nothing great - to me, that’s average.  That’s a C.

If the best compliment I can come up with after watching a movie is “well, it wasn’t bad” - too me, that’s below average.

 

If I suddenly changed “it wasn’t bad” to average, I’ve just lowered my expectations.  
With the cost to go see a movie going up, why should the quality of a movie be able to go down?

 

Could you imagine what would happen if movie reviews set the price of a movie?

[TTRPGWhiz]

25 minutes ago, Ghost said:

I think there’s a big difference between being amazed, and thinking a movie is good.

 

After watching a movie, if I think back on it and go “enjoyable, but nothing great - to me, that’s average.  That’s a C.

If the best compliment I can come up with after watching a movie is “well, it wasn’t bad” - too me, that’s below average.

 

If I suddenly changed “it wasn’t bad” to average, I’ve just lowered my expectations.  
With the cost to go see a movie going up, why should the quality of a movie be able to go down?

 

Could you imagine what would happen if movie reviews set the price of a movie?

I guess that’s just a different sort of metrics. To me if I enjoy something, that equates to being better than average. Call that B- and up. Not bad also suggests not good; aka, “average”. Call that “C- to C+”. Below that you get to your “bads” (Ds) and “terribles” (Fs).

 

I don’t think I’ve ever in my life assigned a letter grade to a movie, but it helps to organize thoughts, I suppose.

 

I don’t want to imagine the world where critic reviews have any more influence than they already seem to. Especially if we expand “critic” to include random YouTubers.

[battlewraith]

If, instead of waiting for Critical Drinker's review of this film, people sat through his Rogue Elements: A Ryan Drake Story before seeing Thunderbolts*, their appreciation of the Marvel film would probably go up half a step, if not a full ranking. 

[BrandX]

While my theatre wasn't packed (4:20pm showing tho) with around 10 people total, I can say I heard the others saying they liked it EXCEPT the first two people who didn't stay around for the very last end scene (lots of people do this even when enjoying a movie for some off reason, so I can't speculate on if this was good or bad to them).

[Troo]

Spoiled some folks are. S P O I L E D

 

 

go sit through these..

“The Incredible Hulk Returns,” (1988)

“Trial of the Incredible Hulk,” (1989)

“Death of the Incredible Hulk” (1991)

 

[Ghost]

2 hours ago, Troo said:

Spoiled some folks are. S P O I L E D

 

 

go sit through these..

“The Incredible Hulk Returns,” (1988)

“Trial of the Incredible Hulk,” (1989)

“Death of the Incredible Hulk” (1991)

 

 

To say “be happy with anything better than the absolute worst” is a sh1t argument.

 

 

[Troo]

1 minute ago, Ghost said:

 

To say “be happy with anything better than the absolute worst” is a sh1t argument.

 

 

 

still troo though.

[Ghost]

9 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

still troo though.

It absolutely is not.  In any way, shape or form.

 

Telling someone they have to accept crap because it used to be so much worse, is an asinine argument to try and make.

 

When it comes time for a raise at your job, would you accept being told “you used to make minimum wage, so be happy with these 2 extra pennies” ??

Would you smile and say, “gee, thanks boss.  You’re the greatest!”

 

For the record, I haven’t seen Thunderbolts yet, and have no opinion on whether it will be good or not.

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:17 PM by Ghost

[Troo]

2 minutes ago, Ghost said:

It absolutely is not.  In any way, shape or form.

 

is so.

 

 

 

"crap" is an opinion.

"asinine" is a little harsh.

Arguing in absolutes is a sure path to failure.

Anything over minimum wage is no longer minimum wage. Sad, but that is a fact.

It's just entertainment. A creative interpretation. A respite from the day to day.

Have you seen the new movie? Did you know the Hulk TV show got an Emmy in 1978? How many people do you think work on these movies, are they all trying to do a 'bad' job?

 

Love you @Ghost, try and have some fun today.

 

[BrandX]

At the comic shop today, free comic day, so it was pretty packed and line out the door and quite a few people had seen Thunderbolts and all thought it was good.  So, I'd say it's worth it going to see.  Only online have I heard people say anything negative about the film.

 

 

[Ghost]

10 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

is so.

 

 

 

"crap" is an opinion.

"asinine" is a little harsh.

Arguing in absolutes is a sure path to failure.

Anything over minimum wage is no longer minimum wage. Sad, but that is a fact.

It's just entertainment. A creative interpretation. A respite from the day to day.

Have you seen the new movie? Did you know the Hulk TV show got an Emmy in 1978? How many people do you think work on these movies, are they all trying to do a 'bad' job?

 

Love you @Ghost, try and have some fun today.

 

You are telling people to accept mediocrity based on the notion that things could always be worse.

On the other end of the spectrum, I could say that if it doesn’t match their best work, it sucks.

 

Most of the time, I don’t think people involved with the process set out to make a bad movie - and I don’t know if this one is bad - I’m arguing against your notion that people should “shut up and like it, because look at what came before” - I’m not arguing that this is a good/bad movie because I don’t know.

I refuse to accept any type of mediocrity.
If they want me to continue spending my hard earned money on what they release, they better entertain me.

Edited yesterday at 06:39 PM by Ghost

[battlewraith]

Spectacle is relative. What someone considers to be crap is going to be relative to what they are used to seeing. I think that's the point and it's true. This particularly relates to fight sequences, special effects, car chases, etc. Something can be really good for being an innovative (or even simply unorthodox) take on the standard formula. The first John Wick film was great. The subsequent films were nowhere near as memorable as the first. Any formula for success is going to wear out it's welcome eventually. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:43 PM by battlewraith

[Troo]

8 minutes ago, Ghost said:

I’m arguing against your notion that people should “shut up and like it, because look at what came before” - I’m not arguing that this is a good/bad movie because I don’t know.

 

Whoa now. Attributing comments to someone who never said them in an effort to devalue their position is probably called something..

 

I said some folks are spoiled. That's all. No need to read anything more into it. I never said folks can't opinions nor that they have to like something they don't.

 

The amount of effort and engineering going into these movies eclipses what was done back then and has in my opinion spoiled some folks.

 

 

 

 

[Krimson]

It's up to Disney to make the movie appealing to the market. They shouldn't need viewers to vouch for them. However, since Disney is a US Company and I'm Canadian, I won't be watching this any year soon. That's probably for the best. Disney is throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. It should be an interesting summer without their theme parks to rely on for income. They might HAVE to produce better movies since they can't rely on foot traffic anymore.

[BrandX]

9 minutes ago, Krimson said:

It's up to Disney to make the movie appealing to the market. They shouldn't need viewers to vouch for them. However, since Disney is a US Company and I'm Canadian, I won't be watching this any year soon. That's probably for the best. Disney is throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. It should be an interesting summer without their theme parks to rely on for income. They might HAVE to produce better movies since they can't rely on foot traffic anymore.

 

Homecoming is a US company too.

[Krimson]

4 minutes ago, BrandX said:

 

Homecoming is a US company too.

And the servers are in Canada, just in case that's an issue. I'm not leaving my country to play the game.

[GM Crumpet]

4 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

Homecoming is a US company too.

Technically we are international. We are just registered in the US. Canadian and German servers.

[BrandX]

3 hours ago, Krimson said:

And the servers are in Canada, just in case that's an issue. I'm not leaving my country to play the game.

 

You're the one who said US company was an issue.  

[biostem]

8 hours ago, BrandX said:

At the comic shop today, free comic day, so it was pretty packed and line out the door and quite a few people had seen Thunderbolts and all thought it was good.  So, I'd say it's worth it going to see.  Only online have I heard people say anything negative about the film.

This is going to sound weird, (and possibly elitist), but how I interpret this is wholly dependent upon what sort of "comic shop" we are talking about, here;  If said shop primarily sells toys and CCGs, then I wouldn't put much stock in those patrons liking Thunderbolts.  If, OTOH, it's one with tons of back issues and carries many smaller/lesser-known titles, then I'd put more weight to such a declaration...

[BrandX]

1 hour ago, biostem said:

This is going to sound weird, (and possibly elitist), but how I interpret this is wholly dependent upon what sort of "comic shop" we are talking about, here;  If said shop primarily sells toys and CCGs, then I wouldn't put much stock in those patrons liking Thunderbolts.  If, OTOH, it's one with tons of back issues and carries many smaller/lesser-known titles, then I'd put more weight to such a declaration...

 

It carries many back issues.  Looks to have many smaller/lesser-known titles.  The manga books themselves is VERY SMALL.  But they also sell games, ccgs, some models, I wouldn't say to many toys.  A good comic book shop.  Also has pull lists (sadly mine seems to go up and down on the size of said list as comics get cancelled).

 

So. I'd say a good comic shop.

[ZacKing]

On 5/3/2025 at 6:11 AM, TTRPGWhiz said:

Critical Drinker’s review is out, it takes him exactly 63 seconds to make a disparaging remark about “modern feminism”. These takes are all so boring.

 

Why did you watch it then?  You know this is his thing.