Glacier Peak Posted January 3 Posted January 3 I dunno. The general audience knows who Superman is though. He's been around for almost 90 years. Every variation of his origin story and exploits have been told in every medium that can be consumed to every generation multiple times over. I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Luminara Posted January 3 Posted January 3 33 minutes ago, Techwright said: I believe there was even a Kryptonian monkey at one point ... The man directing this has never directed anything but comedies. Do NOT give him more ideas. 1 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right.
Techwright Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, Luminara said: ... The man directing this has never directed anything but comedies. Do NOT give him more ideas. So, I shouldn't bring up the super-ventriloquism, then?
Ghost Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) 16 hours ago, Glacier Peak said: I dunno. The general audience knows who Superman is though. He's been around for almost 90 years. Every variation of his origin story and exploits have been told in every medium that can be consumed to every generation multiple times over. They also who Batman is, along with his backstory - yet they still seem to find ways not to turn Batman movies into full blown ensembles. Sorry, but this is a new version of Superman. I want to learn about this version. I want to see the world established. I want Lois to be something more than someone who just shows up whenever it’s convenient. I also want to learn about this Clark. Instead, we will have to learn about the new heroes and villains. Who they are and what their motivations are. IMO it takes away who this version of Clark/Superman is. Does this mean it will suck? Of course not. It could be the greatest superhero movie ever made (although that’s not what the recent test screening is saying). It just won’t be the greatest Superman movie ever made. Edited January 4 by Ghost
Glacier Peak Posted January 4 Posted January 4 37 minutes ago, Ghost said: ways not to turn Batman movies into full blown ensembles I dunno. If you're referring to the most recent Matt Reeves version - Batman, Alfred, Catwoman, the Riddler, the Penguin, Jim Gordon were all in the movie and were all played by major actors. How many does an ensemble make? I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Ghost Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: I dunno. If you're referring to the most recent Matt Reeves version - Batman, Alfred, Catwoman, the Riddler, the Penguin, Jim Gordon were all in the movie and were all played by major actors. How many does an ensemble make? Alfred and Gordon belong in any Batman story. I don’t have an issue with 3 villains in a movie. What I have a problem with is 3 villains plus 5 heroes. Especially when it’s the movie that is supposed to be establishing Superman’s world. A comparison would be to have called the Justice League movie…..Batman Edited January 4 by Ghost
TTRPGWhiz Posted January 4 Posted January 4 6 hours ago, Ghost said: Alfred and Gordon belong in any Batman story. I don’t have an issue with 3 villains in a movie. What I have a problem with is 3 villains plus 5 heroes. Especially when it’s the movie that is supposed to be establishing Superman’s world. A comparison would be to have called the Justice League movie…..Batman Personally, I am 100% over the “here’s this solo superhero, yes other superheroes exist but this movie won’t reference or involve them at all, except at the very end where someone makes a cameo to show you how this world is interconnected”. Just, no. We have 0 idea how much screen time the non-Superman heroes are going to have. I know “wait and see” is anathema to a lot of people, but what if we tried it just one time.
biostem Posted January 7 Posted January 7 On 1/4/2025 at 6:00 PM, TTRPGWhiz said: Personally, I am 100% over the “here’s this solo superhero, yes other superheroes exist but this movie won’t reference or involve them at all, except at the very end where someone makes a cameo to show you how this world is interconnected”. Just, no. In general, I agree. The problem is that, (at least from my perspective), we really haven't gotten to a point where we've moved beyond the "Batman has Gotham, Superman has Metropolis, Flash has Central City, and each stays in their lane, until a truly world-ranging threat appears", phase of any DCEU; They try to put the cart before the horse, and essentially sabotage themselves - Give each character enough, well, "character" to stand on their own, and only once each is well established, should you start doing crossovers. instead, they want to rush toward that promise of a $1 billion blockbuster... 1
mechahamham Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 1/7/2025 at 1:27 AM, biostem said: They try to put the cart before the horse, and essentially sabotage themselves - Give each character enough, well, "character" to stand on their own, and only once each is well established, should you start doing crossovers. instead, they want to rush toward that promise of a $1 billion blockbuster... The problem here is that Gunn is working against not one, but two cinematic continuities, both with some horrendous stinkers clogging the pipes. DC movies have established that these characters exist in their own cities in the last 10 years, for better or worse. (Mostly worse.) He's not really buying himself anything by pretending that the world he's working in is NOT already populated the way first superhero movies tend to. Despite all the turds DC flushed into theaters in the last few years, Gunn somehow made Polkadot Man vs. Starro work, and work *WELL* in the last Suicide Squad movie. He made Rocket Racoon work for not one, but THREE films. We *all* wept for Rocket in Guardians 3. I'm willing to let him cook with whichever characters he thinks he needs to make a non-Snyder Superman movie work.
biostem Posted January 8 Posted January 8 23 minutes ago, mechahamham said: Despite all the turds DC flushed into theaters in the last few years, Gunn somehow made Polkadot Man vs. Starro work, and work *WELL* in the last Suicide Squad movie. He made Rocket Racoon work for not one, but THREE films. We *all* wept for Rocket in Guardians 3. Oh no doubt, and I am loving Creature Commandos. I just don't want expediency to overtake good quality writing and presentations, etc... 1
ZacKing Posted January 8 Posted January 8 So if we're to believe the news out there, test screenings haven't been faring well for this. I'll remain cautiously optimistic, but it certainly isn't sounding too good right now. They still have time for changes though. 1 1
PeregrineFalcon Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, ZacKing said: So if we're to believe the news out there, test screenings haven't been faring well for this. I'll remain cautiously optimistic, but it certainly isn't sounding too good right now. They still have time for changes though. Oh, I'm fairly certain that this film is going to end up in the DEI dumpster fire, right alongside most recent movie releases. 1 Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own.
Techwright Posted January 8 Posted January 8 17 hours ago, mechahamham said: I'm willing to let him cook with whichever characters he thinks he needs to make a non-Snyder Superman movie work. In that case, I'm hoping for Ambush Bug. 😁
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