Greycat Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just an idea that cropped up via another thread. With requests for higher end hazard/street sweeping zones comes a few problems - revamping mobs for 50+ and/or Incarnates and where you *put* them, since you'd have to revamp zones as well. "Unless..." Both sides have portal tech. We have plenty of maps. Why don't we just take advantage and say these are "other worlds" - we do already, after all, with Tina/Unai's missions - and make some exclusively high end / Incarnate street sweeping maps? Likely with their own contact, granted. Aside from just being a place to street sweep, it can also be a place the devs can play with mobs. Introduce something new just to try them out, swap powers around, etc. Throw in more story ideas that there's not *quite* enough for a full arc or whatnot - Nuclear Nemesis, say (he got a late start.) Nictus Carnies take over the world for a terrifying neverending party. COT side with BP. Two different Hamidons that both discovered how to ...ooze? ... into another dimension at war with each other - and you. I'd say it'd probably be the "easy way out" to try out ideas like that and give high level/incarnate folks new places to street sweep for those that want to do it. (There could, of course, be related missions, too, but this would also be more exploratory - both in game and in NPC mechanics.) 2 Kheldian Lore and Backstory Guide 2.0: HC edition Out to EAT : A look at Epic ATs - what is, could have been, and never was Want 20 merits? Got a couple of minutes? Mini guide to the Combat Attributes window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) What if they re-introduced Galaxy City, only now inhabited by much tougher Shivans, being recommended/geared-towards 50+ players with Incarnates... Edited June 7 by biostem 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krimson Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 It doesn't have to be another world. It could be another Zone in Paragon or Sprawl. There's certainly room on the city map to fit more stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 10 minutes ago, Krimson said: It doesn't have to be another world. It could be another Zone in Paragon or Sprawl. There's certainly room on the city map to fit more stuff. Maybe populate Kalisti Wharf with enemies... Would be a great co-op zone to also run radios/newspaper missions in! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krimson Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 (edited) As for other spots for Hazard Zones, one possible area could be between Independence Port, Crey's Folly, and the Rikti War Zone. Another possible spot could be between Boomtown and Croatoa. Edited June 8 by Krimson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greycat Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 3 hours ago, Krimson said: It doesn't have to be another world. It could be another Zone in Paragon or Sprawl. There's certainly room on the city map to fit more stuff. I'm mostly looking at it that way (a) to make it easier (instead of "where does it connect," figuring out gateways, etc. you just... "Hey, we found a kind of dangerous dimension if you want to challenge yourself) and (b) kind of encourage more experimentation without necessarily having to fit it into lore or storylines (past "we found another one.") 1 Kheldian Lore and Backstory Guide 2.0: HC edition Out to EAT : A look at Epic ATs - what is, could have been, and never was Want 20 merits? Got a couple of minutes? Mini guide to the Combat Attributes window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 7 minutes ago, Greycat said: I'm mostly looking at it that way (a) to make it easier (instead of "where does it connect," figuring out gateways, etc. you just... "Hey, we found a kind of dangerous dimension if you want to challenge yourself) and (b) kind of encourage more experimentation without necessarily having to fit it into lore or storylines (past "we found another one.") You could also explore a lot of "what-if" scenarios, via dimensional portals, like what if Statesman & Lord Recluse never had a falling out, or what if the Rikti were successful with their invasion... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCeddd03 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 6/7/2024 at 6:18 PM, biostem said: What if they re-introduced Galaxy City, only now inhabited by much tougher Shivans, being recommended/geared-towards 50+ players with Incarnates... I was wondering the same thing when can we explore galaxy city after its downfall maybe to control the area or to start clean up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laucianna Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I would love this as a step up from PI Missions ❤️ Especially in more open maps that are not small caves 😄 1 1 ❤️ Kheldian Guide ❤️ 🎖️ Friday Fashion Contest 🎖️ 🗒️Character Wiki🗒️Friendly reminder that no matter what anyone or anything is saying, you ARE loved AND valued in life no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Magmus Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 6/8/2024 at 1:18 AM, biostem said: What if they re-introduced Galaxy City, only now inhabited by much tougher Shivans, being recommended/geared-towards 50+ players with Incarnates... "Ruins of Galaxy City..." Let's go. 1 Treating everyone fairly is great; unfair discrimination is badwrong! I do not believe the false notion that "your ignorance is just as good as my knowledge." The Definitive Empathy Rework Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krimson Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 6 hours ago, Shin Magmus said: "Ruins of Galaxy City..." Let's go. They might call it something else like how Creys Folly was called Venice and how Boomtown was Baumton. So maybe something like the Shivan Exclusion Zone or some such. I still think turning Paragon sprawl into a Hazard Zone would be a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techwright Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/7/2024 at 7:04 PM, Greycat said: Aside from just being a place to street sweep, it can also be a place the devs can play with mobs. Introduce something new just to try them out, swap powers around, etc. Throw in more story ideas that there's not *quite* enough for a full arc or whatnot - Nuclear Nemesis, say (he got a late start.) Nictus Carnies take over the world for a terrifying neverending party. COT side with BP. Two different Hamidons that both discovered how to ...ooze? ... into another dimension at war with each other - and you. I'm game for this. Like @biostem my first thought was a CoH version of Marvel's "What If...?" series, and you have some nifty ideas there. I'd add one extra thought: how are we in the Prime Universe (and by extension Praetoria and Rikti which both seemed to have benefited from Prime tech) the only ones in a multi-verse to have an active portal program running? What happens when we encounter others who have a fully functional program? We've already seen how it enabled the Rikti to do great harm, and Praetoria to save its remaining people. So what happens when your Nuclear Nemesis, or a dominant Arachnos, or an overzealous Longbow (theirs, not our overzealous bunch) begins a full portal program? On 6/7/2024 at 7:18 PM, biostem said: What if they re-introduced Galaxy City, only now inhabited by much tougher Shivans, being recommended/geared-towards 50+ players with Incarnates... I'm 100% on board with this. On 6/7/2024 at 8:00 PM, biostem said: Maybe populate Kalisti Wharf with enemies... Would be a great co-op zone to also run radios/newspaper missions in! Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the original idea to make half of KW red-side to begin with? I'm definitely down for getting the zone fully functional. On 6/7/2024 at 9:54 PM, Krimson said: As for other spots for Hazard Zones, one possible area could be between Independence Port, Crey's Folly, and the Rikti War Zone. Another possible spot could be between Boomtown and Croatoa. The spot by the west side of IP might also serve as cause to improve the west side of IP, and bring more activity to that area. 21 hours ago, Krimson said: They might call it something else like how Creys Folly was called Venice and how Boomtown was Baumton. So maybe something like the Shivan Exclusion Zone or some such. I still think turning Paragon sprawl into a Hazard Zone would be a good idea Much as I hate to abandon "Galaxy City" (which itself was a rename of the former Paragon Heights), this does seem par for the course for CoH. In addition to what you wrote, Overbrook became Faultline, Eastgate became The Hollows, and Woodvale became Eden. It seems the city names its changed areas after the destruction that caused the change. Therefore, an alternate name I'd pitch might be "Starfall" or "Firefall" as the destruction came with a meteoric attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Techwright said: What happens when we encounter others who have a fully functional program? I mean, if there are potentially billions or trillions of alternate universes, and only like .0001% of them develop portal technology, that could account for why we haven't run into others, **yet**. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krimson Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, biostem said: I mean, if there are potentially billions or trillions of alternate universes, and only like .0001% of them develop portal technology, that could account for why we haven't run into others, **yet**. Math says that would still be thousands to millions of worlds that have portal technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biostem Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, Krimson said: Math says that would still be thousands to millions of worlds that have portal technology. Yes, and? It's still a very low probability that they'd encounter another portal-having Earth. It's kind of like all the reasons stated in the Fermi Paradox as to why we don't see aliens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudra Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 At 1 billion worlds, if .0001% have portal technology, that would be 10,000 worlds with portal technology. And us finding them or them finding us is 1:999,999,999. Us finding any of them rather than a specific 1 of them is 1:100,000, so still very low odds. However, that also means that if there are 1 billion different realities, we still have a lot of worlds that can be introduced whenever the devs have time to build them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communistpenguin Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/9/2024 at 5:12 PM, Krimson said: They might call it something else like how Creys Folly was called Venice and how Boomtown was Baumton. So maybe something like the Shivan Exclusion Zone or some such. I still think turning Paragon sprawl into a Hazard Zone would be a good idea Shiva's Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greycat Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 7 hours ago, Techwright said: I'm game for this. Like @biostem my first thought was a CoH version of Marvel's "What If...?" series, and you have some nifty ideas there. I'd add one extra thought: how are we in the Prime Universe (and by extension Praetoria and Rikti which both seemed to have benefited from Prime tech) the only ones in a multi-verse to have an active portal program running? What happens when we encounter others who have a fully functional program? ... so, ever play Portal? Ever set the portals up so one's on the ceiling directly above one on the floor? *That* happens. >.> 1 Kheldian Lore and Backstory Guide 2.0: HC edition Out to EAT : A look at Epic ATs - what is, could have been, and never was Want 20 merits? Got a couple of minutes? Mini guide to the Combat Attributes window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleonast Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/10/2024 at 12:01 PM, Techwright said: What happens when we encounter others who have a fully functional program? Each time a portal is opened, there’s a chance we attract extra-dimensional attention. Every other world that had an active portal program has been destroyed. We’re the last one left. /doom The American Dream, Willpower/Kinetic Melee Tanker, Everlasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player2 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/7/2024 at 11:10 PM, biostem said: You could also explore a lot of "what-if" scenarios, via dimensional portals, like what if Statesman & Lord Recluse never had a falling out, or what if the Rikti were successful with their invasion... What if Recluse and his allies were the heroes and Statesman and the Freedom Phalanx were the villains? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player2 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 12 hours ago, Player2 said: What if Recluse and his allies were the heroes and Statesman and the Freedom Phalanx were the villains? Captain Arachnos Ghost Lady Mister Mako Scirocco Arachnos PD Arbiters are just APD Lieutenants Fun times. Less fun times... basically the old Praetorian versions of the heroes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaericzero Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 23 hours ago, Player2 said: What if Recluse and his allies were the heroes and Statesman and the Freedom Phalanx were the villains? 10 hours ago, Player2 said: Captain Arachnos Ghost Lady Mister Mako Scirocco Arachnos PD Arbiters are just APD Lieutenants Fun times. Less fun times... basically the old Praetorian versions of the heroes. Here I thought you meant Daddy Longleg and his Long Arms of the Law going up against Domestic Terrorist and his cronies, the Bondage Brigade. Glad you cleared that up. 😛 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player2 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 14 hours ago, megaericzero said: Here I thought you meant Daddy Longleg and his Long Arms of the Law going up against Domestic Terrorist and his cronies, the Bondage Brigade. Glad you cleared that up. 😛 Captain Arachnos for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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