Marvel Fans Say Cillian Murphy Should Have Been Doctor Doom

[Techwright]

41 minutes ago, BrandX said:

This Marvel does not want him as Dr Doom.

 

Goes back to being TO OLD!

 

He's 48 now.

 

 

Who is 48?  RDJ?  He's 59.

Unless...he's holding at 48?

[Triumphant]

Maybe they were referring to the character Doctor Doom (though this also seems unlikely)?  I dunno.  I'm confused on that point, too. 

[BrandX]

34 minutes ago, Techwright said:

Who is 48?  RDJ?  He's 59.

Unless...he's holding at 48?

 

I don't want Cillian as Dr Doom as Cillian is 48 years old.  Let's get someone younger for the official Viktor Von Doom.

[Excraft]

17 hours ago, Luminara said:

It's risky.  If he doesn't take off the mask, people are going to ask why his casting was such a big deal.  If he does, regardless of how it plays out in the film(s), there's a lot of potential for it to backfire in their faces.  But simply casting him has all but guaranteed that at least one of the relevant films is going to break records.  People are going to flock to theaters to see whether they brought him back as Alternative Universe Stark, or just Doctor Doom.  They might start riots and form lynch mobs afterward, but you know they're going to see at least one film.

 

My theory is that they're not banking on Downey, they're banking on the Russo brothers.  If they can pull off another Winter Soldier/Infinity War/Endgame, who plays Doom won't matter.  That's what they're hoping for, Downey getting people through the door, the Russos gluing their asses to the seats.

 

I think its a very safe bet to say that he's going to have the mask off, at least for the early origin stuff they have to put in.  I'm also not seeing this as a "guarantee" of anything yet.  There's quite a lot of mixed reaction to this announcement, with many seeing it for what it is... a desperate attempt to revive a dying franchise.

 

Some fans are overjoyed, some are "meh", some are not happy at all.  I also disagree wholeheartedly that it doesn't matter who plays Doom.  They need an actor with presence that can give the character the gravitas it deserves.  Absolutely RDJ could pull it off... if he weren't already Iron Man in my opinion.  Bringing him back as discount multiversal evil Tony Star/Evil Iron Man / Doctor Doom cheapens the sacrifice Tony Stark made in Endgame.  Another thing people are starting to talk about is who are the Avengers now?  Is Thor still there?  Shang Chi?  Discount Iron Man Ironheart? Hulk?

 

Even with the Russo brothers and RDJ attached, if the script is crap, the film will be crap.  The number one reason the MCU has been suffering flop after flop is the poor scripts trying to strike gold.  This is what you get when you hire "writers" who don't know the first thing about the source material and never picked up a single comic book in their life.  Of course they won't be able to write for an audience they don't understand or care about.  You can't polish a turd, even with a great director and actor(s).

 

I'll wait and see, but I don't have high hopes for this and it seems more like a stunt to resurrect the MCU.  I do hope I'm wrong, but we'll see.

 

 

[Excraft]

16 hours ago, BrandX said:

The action movie actors you mentioned.  Let's see...Expendables, which was built around the idea of the old action stars.  However, what young ones do you remember from those movies?

 

Harrison Ford?  What?  Indiana Jones?  I've been saying recast Indy this whole time, guess what other people kept complaining about?  Recasting Indy 😛  Just like how people complained about recasting T'Challa.  To many people while at the idea of a different actor playing a role, when the whole idea is it's called acting.  It can be recast.

 

I can't think of any action movie Clint Eastwood has been doing.

 

I need examples of actresses in their 40's playing someone in their 20s as I can't think of any movie that's done this.  I've heard them complaining about being 28 playing the parent to a 20 year old (Rachel Weize at the time and why she didn't do Mummy 3, I believe it was).

 

Of course always the 20 somethings playing high schoolers, but you know...working with kids who can't work the hours.

 

  Yes, I am for new younger stars.  However, I go back to them failing and so big budget movies get nervous casting them because people aren't showing up for them.

 

I have to agree with you and @PeregrineFalcon here.  Stars like Stallone and Schwarzenegger are from a different era when the last of the movie stars were in their heyday.  In their prime, people were going to see the new Stallone or Schwarzenegger movie.  Title didn't matter and their films were referred to as such.  Today, people refer to the MCU, not the next RDJ or Chris Evans or Scarlett Johansson movie. 

 

I also agree that there's plenty of opportunity out there for unknown or relatively unknown actors/acrtresses to be given an opportunity for career making roles.  The formula of casting an unknown and surrounding them with a great supporting cast has worked very successfully over the years, especially in the superhero genre.  See Christopher Reeves as Superman and Christian Bale as Batman.

 

Another thing Disney and Hollywood in general need to do is start looking at smaller budgets.  Again, get a good script and start from there.

 

[Excraft]

Interesting ideas here too https://screenrant.com/mcu-doctor-doom-casting-perfect-actors/

[OldManMercy]

I'm personally incredibly disappointed with the casting so far. It might end up being a good movie regardless, but I'm on the side of the fence that wants new actors, fresh faces to play these characters. Seems short sighted to cast an actor/actress that can play the role maybe twice tops.

[Darmian]

Imagine if the entire things is a "Ben Kingsley - Mandarin" thing, ROFL.

[TTRPGWhiz]

The MCU movies have been pretty hit or miss when it comes to star power translating to box office. From the Phase 1 through 3 movies, four were headlined by relatively little known (or more specifically, 'unknown commodities vis a vis box office draw') actors: Thor (Hemsworth), Guardians (Pratt), Black Panther (Boseman), Spider-Man: Homecoming (Holland). (I excluded Evans because of Fantastic Four, but he could probably be added to this list). Those four have an average box office of $387,116,982; that would be good for the #14 spot if it was one movie (Black Panther is doing a lotta lifting here, with a $700M take by itself). Post-Phase 1, the MCU itself was the lead.

By contrast, the bottom of the MCU box office rankings is littered with well-known leads: The Marvels, Incredible Hulk*, Ant-Man, Black Widow, Eternals and Shang-Chi are the non-sequels with the worst box offices. Hulk is a weird one since nobody knew what the MCU was then. I don't know who people consider the 'lead' of Eternals, but none of the top 4 or 5 names in that cast are or were unknown. Shang-Chi probably lays the most claim to 'check out this newish actor'.

I...kinda lost the thread of this rabbit hole, but I think the point is, the broader movie-going public doesn't care if these actors are known or unknown. They just want good movies.

And there are fewer new, upcoming actors being cast because studios have largely stopped making the kinds of movies that would generate buzz about an exciting new face. Hell, everyone keeps calling Glen Powell a fresh new face, and that guy is currently five years older than Evans was when the latter made the first Cap movie.

Edited July 30 by TTRPGWhiz

[Luminara]

Something was nagging at me yesterday, while I was thinking about this, but I couldn't coalesce it.  It came to me about an hour ago.

 

Ian McShane.

 

He's as perfect for the voice of Doctor Doom as James Earl Jones was for Darth Vader.  Marvel screwed the pooch by not hiring him.

[Darmian]

4 minutes ago, Luminara said:

He's as perfect for the voice of Doctor Doom as James Earl Jones was for Darth Vader.  Marvel screwed the pooch by not hiring him.

Interesting.

 

Though if you were going Voice Actor only I'd personally get Simon Templeman to do it. Plus he'd be cheaper than McShane!

[Ghost]

50mill per film, plus a percentage of the BO is what’s being reported.

 

 

[BrandX]

7 hours ago, Excraft said:

 

I have to agree with you and @PeregrineFalcon here.  Stars like Stallone and Schwarzenegger are from a different era when the last of the movie stars were in their heyday.  In their prime, people were going to see the new Stallone or Schwarzenegger movie.  Title didn't matter and their films were referred to as such.  Today, people refer to the MCU, not the next RDJ or Chris Evans or Scarlett Johansson movie. 

 

I also agree that there's plenty of opportunity out there for unknown or relatively unknown actors/acrtresses to be given an opportunity for career making roles.  The formula of casting an unknown and surrounding them with a great supporting cast has worked very successfully over the years, especially in the superhero genre.  See Christopher Reeves as Superman and Christian Bale as Batman.

 

Another thing Disney and Hollywood in general need to do is start looking at smaller budgets.  Again, get a good script and start from there.

 

 

Of, for sure.  There have been movies that failed at the box office, that still brought in quite a bit of people, but due to their budget, they failed.  The Little Mermaid comes to mind.  Lost money at the box office, but if it just had a little smaller budget, it would've made money.

 

Of course, it still didn't live up to the other remakes.  So there is that part against it.

 

I'm not saying don't cast newbies.  Just they know there's a risk.

[BrandX]

6 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

The MCU movies have been pretty hit or miss when it comes to star power translating to box office. From the Phase 1 through 3 movies, four were headlined by relatively little known (or more specifically, 'unknown commodities vis a vis box office draw') actors: Thor (Hemsworth), Guardians (Pratt), Black Panther (Boseman), Spider-Man: Homecoming (Holland). (I excluded Evans because of Fantastic Four, but he could probably be added to this list). Those four have an average box office of $387,116,982; that would be good for the #14 spot if it was one movie (Black Panther is doing a lotta lifting here, with a $700M take by itself). Post-Phase 1, the MCU itself was the lead.

By contrast, the bottom of the MCU box office rankings is littered with well-known leads: The Marvels, Incredible Hulk*, Ant-Man, Black Widow, Eternals and Shang-Chi are the non-sequels with the worst box offices. Hulk is a weird one since nobody knew what the MCU was then. I don't know who people consider the 'lead' of Eternals, but none of the top 4 or 5 names in that cast are or were unknown. Shang-Chi probably lays the most claim to 'check out this newish actor'.

I...kinda lost the thread of this rabbit hole, but I think the point is, the broader movie-going public doesn't care if these actors are known or unknown. They just want good movies.

And there are fewer new, upcoming actors being cast because studios have largely stopped making the kinds of movies that would generate buzz about an exciting new face. Hell, everyone keeps calling Glen Powell a fresh new face, and that guy is currently five years older than Evans was when the latter made the first Cap movie.

 

I think Glen is the new face because no one knew of him until recently, so he's fresh and new!

 

If I recall, other actors have started late.  I believe Samuel L Jackson, Morgan Freeman and Dennis Farina all started later in life.

[Techwright]

9 hours ago, Darmian said:

Interesting.

 

Though if you were going Voice Actor only I'd personally get Simon Templeman to do it. Plus he'd be cheaper than McShane!

 

Voice only?

Clancy Brown.

[Triumphant]

9 hours ago, Techwright said:

 

Voice only?

Clancy Brown.

 

If we're just talking voice, Clancy Brown is always a spectacular choice, yes.  I could also imagine Arthur Burghardt, who voiced Destro in the classic GI Joe cartoon in the 1980's being very good at bringing the proper mix of power and menace to Doom.

[Darmian]

15 hours ago, Techwright said:

 

Voice only?

Clancy Brown.

Nope. Much as I love him, he's no Simon Templeman! And by that I am not implying he's better.

[TauntingMonk]

On 7/30/2024 at 12:09 PM, Darmian said:

Imagine if the entire things is a "Ben Kingsley - Mandarin" thing, ROFL.

 

We can only hope.

 

My choice was Henry Cavill as Victor Von Doom

 

And my guess is this is going to be another made up Dr Doom to fit the cinematic universe of marvel and we will never see the gone insane, heart broken Victor, for the love of saving his mother and the bargain and torment with Mephisto.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

On 7/30/2024 at 3:42 PM, BrandX said:

Let's get someone younger for the official Viktor Von Doom.

 

Suddenly thinking Tom Sturridge.

(Especially as Sandman may be on hold for a little while 😬.)

 

[Ghost]

I woulda thought they would have cast someone around Pedro’s age to play Doom - but I guess that was me hoping they would have stuck with some of the lore from the comics.

 

What the hell do I know

[BrandX]

11 hours ago, Ghost said:

I woulda thought they would have cast someone around Pedro’s age to play Doom - but I guess that was me hoping they would have stuck with some of the lore from the comics.

 

What the hell do I know

 

This is Hollywood and Robert is only 10 years older than Pedro.  That's if Robert is going to play Doom in FF4.

 

I'm hoping we get a younger cast for FF4, as it seems like this FF4 team is some alternate universe FF4.

[TTRPGWhiz]

17 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

 

(Especially as Sandman may be on hold for a little while 😬.)

 

 

This hurts.

[Triumphant]

On 7/31/2024 at 2:14 PM, Darmian said:

Nope. Much as I love him, he's no Simon Templeman! And by that I am not implying he's better.

I hear you.  The original Legacy of Kain videogame was possibly the best voiceover work ever done.  I still look back on that game fondly, all these years later.  Templeman would be a great choice, no doubt about it.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

5 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

This hurts.

Yup. I'm with Scalzi on this one.

[Darmian]

2 hours ago, Triumphant said:

possibly the best voiceover work ever done.

Fixed it!

 

But yes.  Absolutely.

 

ALSO:  He's already done it!

 

 

Edited August 7 by Darmian