make vidiot maps part of CoH

[Snarky]

if vidiot maps were part of CoH, (maybe optioned at Gull or P2W?) then all us non tech people would not be screwed by 5+ years of alternate versions of how crap was loaded into our systems by third party "suggestions"

 

as it is my Atlas map now has no markers, one of my PvP maps is sideways, and Cim is just F-ing off.  

[Greycat]

I mean, that'd depend on the person who makes it wanting to do it for starters...

 

But Michyo's City Mod Installer 😄 takes care of that "which version?" pretty well. (If anything, I'd say *that* should be part of, or at least somehow linked to, the launcher.)

[Super Atom]

If your goose is cooked, try a fresh install and just re-adding latest versions.

[Snarky]

  On 12/19/2024 at 9:44 PM, Super Atom said:

If your goose is cooked, try a fresh install and just re-adding latest versions.

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Michyo, thankfully, looked at my stuff and detailed how to make it work.  But it should be automatic....

[Jacke]

Considering the effort that @Cobalt Arachne did putting in the Exploration Badge Tips, I'd say that VidiotMaps won't ever be a default part of the Game.

 

However, the modding environment could be added in as default, beyond just the data/ directory tree, but making assets/mods/ default for loading .pigg mods.  That would make things a bit easier.

[Snarky]

  On 12/21/2024 at 6:27 PM, Jacke said:

Considering the effort that @Cobalt Arachne did putting in the Exploration Badge Tips, I'd say that VidiotMaps won't ever be a default part of the Game.

 

However, the modding environment could be added in as default, beyond just the data/ directory tree, but making assets/mods/ default for loading .pigg mods.  That would make things a bit easier.

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the exploration badge tips are cool.... if you have three years to badge each toon....

[Snarky]

Well i suggested it. That is what this forum is for.

 

I will not keep posting not stop in here (probably…). Not my style.  My style is more “not my problem until it inconveniences me, rant and scream, wander off…”

 

[GM Crumpet]

  On 12/22/2024 at 1:48 PM, Snarky said:

Well i suggested it. That is what this forum is for.

 

I will not keep posting not stop in here (probably…). Not my style.  My style is more “not my problem until it inconveniences me, rant and scream, wander off…”

 

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The problem is that the way the modding tool is set up to update and modify files it would be quite hard. There are easily downloadable map overlays with seasonal stuff like Halloween GM locations, Xmas presents etc that can be added or removed at the click of a button. 

 

And while i have you captive, may I recommend double loud glowie!! It's awesome

[Riverdusk]

Alternate suggestion, randomly move all the exploration badges around every few days.  

 

Just kidding, don't hurt me.

[Snarky]

  On 12/22/2024 at 8:29 PM, GM Crumpet said:

 

And while i have you captive, may I recommend double loud glowie!! It's awesome

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Well, at least you got me something zu Weihnachten…. Danke!

[lemming]

  On 12/22/2024 at 8:29 PM, GM Crumpet said:

And while i have you captive, may I recommend double loud glowie!! It's awesome

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That's my main mod to install.  Now we just need something that visually pops it up

[Luminara]

  On 12/21/2024 at 11:16 PM, Snarky said:

the exploration badge tips are cool.... if you have three years to badge each toon....

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If it takes you three years to accept a tip, you have bigger problems to worry about than badges.

[Snarky]

  On 12/22/2024 at 10:18 PM, Luminara said:

 

If it takes you three years to accept a tip, you have bigger problems to worry about than badges.

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Today i did a lot of badging on my new toon.  All blue zones except Hive. All Praetoria. Some Red.  Gonna try to knock out a few more.  Relying on tips how long do you think that would have taken me?  Sure. Less than years. But longer than a couple hours?   Yeah. O yeah. 

[Luminara]

  On 12/22/2024 at 11:56 PM, Snarky said:

Today i did a lot of badging on my new toon.  All blue zones except Hive. All Praetoria. Some Red.  Gonna try to knock out a few more.  Relying on tips how long do you think that would have taken me?  Sure. Less than years. But longer than a couple hours?   Yeah. O yeah. 

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I average 5-6 minutes per zone doing it by setting the map to maximum zoom and manually dragging it around to find a badge, then right-click on it to set a waypoint.  I'm willing to bet that the time it takes to open the Contacts list, click a badge tip and accept the mission (which automatically sets a waypoint at the badge location) is within 1 or 2 seconds of the time it takes me to do it my way (and i'm even leaning toward it being faster, since exploration tips are always placed at the top of the list, and the dialogue window can be dismissed while traveling).

 

I'm also willing to bet that the reason you've convinced yourself that tips are slower is because you're a stubborn, crotchety old fart... just like me.  And that's fine.  But this is one of those things that you should at least test before pouring a cement slab over the conclusion.  Try it before you deny it.

[Snarky]

  On 12/23/2024 at 12:32 AM, Luminara said:

 

I average 5-6 minutes per zone doing it by setting the map to maximum zoom and manually dragging it around to find a badge, then right-click on it to set a waypoint.  I'm willing to bet that the time it takes to open the Contacts list, click a badge tip and accept the mission (which automatically sets a waypoint at the badge location) is within 1 or 2 seconds of the time it takes me to do it my way (and i'm even leaning toward it being faster, since exploration tips are always placed at the top of the list, and the dialogue window can be dismissed while traveling).

 

I'm also willing to bet that the reason you've convinced yourself that tips are slower is because you're a stubborn, crotchety old fart... just like me.  And that's fine.  But this is one of those things that you should at least test before pouring a cement slab over the conclusion.  Try it before you deny it.

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try that in praetoria and you will be insane.  fast

[lemming]

  On 12/23/2024 at 1:01 AM, Snarky said:

try that in praetoria and you will be insane.  fast

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I'm already insane so I just look at the map and know what level those badges are....

 

If I use anything, it's the BadgeSetList thumbtack functions.

[Snarky]

  On 12/23/2024 at 1:28 AM, lemming said:

I'm already insane so I just look at the map and know what level those badges are....

 

If I use anything, it's the BadgeSetList thumbtack functions.

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i just use the maps and eyeball it, but i do these big "every zone runs" not infrequently.  I sort of have the elevations on shadow shard memorized.  someone told me the "optimal badge path map" is better for that because clickable objective? or diff color elevation markers?  forget which.  But trying to do Nova with 8 loc badges, 5 wall plaques, 6 monuments, and 8 river markers based on "tips" would have me vampire biting my cape in frustration...

[GM Crumpet]

  On 12/23/2024 at 2:38 AM, Snarky said:

i just use the maps and eyeball it, but i do these big "every zone runs" not infrequently.  I sort of have the elevations on shadow shard memorized.  someone told me the "optimal badge path map" is better for that because clickable objective? or diff color elevation markers?  forget which.  But trying to do Nova with 8 loc badges, 5 wall plaques, 6 monuments, and 8 river markers based on "tips" would have me vampire biting my cape in frustration...

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To be fair it would me too. and the plaques and river markers don't have tips

[tidge]

IMO: The Exploration Badge tips are fine, and a cute addition to the game, but only for the zones which have them, and when I don't allow them to clutter up my tip window. There are some other subtleties with the tips that don't "solve" all my personal issues (e.g. the mechanism is slightly buggy) but my issues with the exploration tips are not greater than whatever issues I have with the vidiot overlays.

 

Personally, I'd prefer something like the vidiot overlays showing markers as a default. It's not because I don't value the new tips, it is because I use those markers even after any given character has gotten the badge/clicked the plaque.

[Jacke]

  On 12/22/2024 at 11:56 PM, Snarky said:

Today i did a lot of badging on my new toon.  All blue zones except Hive. All Praetoria. Some Red.  Gonna try to knock out a few more.  Relying on tips how long do you think that would have taken me?  Sure. Less than years. But longer than a couple hours?   Yeah. O yeah. 

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You'll still have 3 Exploration Tips once you're done on Zones you've explored.  You may want to clear those Tips.