It is time for a HARDCORE SERVER!

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

Guys, can we please show some love for each other on this Valentines Day?

 

Let me distract you with this:

 

The toxicity of our city, of our city

You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
Now somewhere between the sacred silence
Sacred silence and sleep
Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep
Disorder, disorder, disorder

 

 

 

[arcane]

Just now, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

Guys, can we please show some love for each other on this Valentines Day?

 

Let me distract you with this:

 

The toxicity of our city, of our city

You, what do you own the world?
How do you own disorder? Disorder
Now somewhere between the sacred silence
Sacred silence and sleep
Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep
Disorder, disorder, disorder

 

 

 

SOAD was a big influence on the subgenres I refer to as “kids metal”, but I still like this song. 

[merrypessimist]

33 minutes ago, Wavicle said:

Sure. Just not in Homecoming.

 

There already exists a server that does this. His response was "lol, they're too smol for me!"

[Maelwys]

4 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

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"Wasting large amounts of time and money on something that has a target audience smaller than the Cybertruck Appreciation Society"? Notsomuch.

You mean like PvP? Agreed, go tell all the PvPers no more updates because there just isn't enough of them.

The ask here is for Homecoming to MAKE A NEW "PERMADEATH ENFORCED" SERVER SHARD.

Homecoming's published Server Infrastructure Cost for last month alone (for the current 6 shards) was $4,853.37
That's a average of a smidge over $800/month per server shard.

Step back from yourself for just a minute. Given the preferences displayed by Homecoming's players (on the forums or otherwise) and Developers... can you honestly claim that anyone in their right mind would possibly consider it good value for money for a NON PROFIT ORGANISATION like Homecoming to commit ongoing funds to setting up a new "Enforced Permadeath" server? Let alone also provide enough manpower to implement a brand new fork of the codebase with "death=deleted" baked into it; alter all the powersets and lore accordingly; troubleshoot the aforementioned obvious issues with things like AE farming and emailing yourself "cheat items", etc. and then constantly maintain this separate codebase going forward for the life of that new server?

That's not just a /jranger; that's a...
 


By comparison; the most PvPers ever cost the devs was some fresh polish for Castle's steel toecaps after the severe kicking he inflicted upon them back in issue 13, although thankfully HC have recently thrown the poor sods a bone or two.

Still; a PvP-only HC Server would doubtless end up far less of a ghost town than an Enforced-Permadeath HC Server... 🤔
 

[Super Atom]

Just now, Maelwys said:

The ask here is for Homecoming to MAKE A NEW "PERMADEATH ENFORCED" SERVER SHARD.

Homecoming's published Server Infrastructure Cost for last month alone (for the current 6 shards) was $4,853.37
That's a average of a smidge over $800/month per server shard.

Step back from yourself for just a minute. Given the preferences displayed by Homecoming's players (on the forums or otherwise) and Developers... can you honestly claim that anyone in their right mind would possibly consider it good value for money for a NON PROFIT ORGANISATION like Homecoming to commit ongoing funds to setting up a new "Enforced Permadeath" server? Let alone also provide enough manpower to implement a brand new fork of the codebase with "death=deleted" baked into it; alter all the powersets and lore accordingly; troubleshoot the aforementioned obvious issues with things like AE farming and emailing yourself "cheat items", etc. and then constantly maintain this separate codebase going forward for the life of that new server?

That's not just a /jranger; that's a...
 


By comparison; the most PvPers ever cost the devs was some fresh polish for Castle's steel toecaps after the severe kicking he inflicted upon them back in issue 13, although thankfully HC have recently thrown the poor sods a bone or two.

Still; a PvP-only HC Server would doubtless end up far less of a ghost town than an Enforced-Permadeath HC Server... 🤔
 

 

None of what you said was true

 

thats about as polite as i can be 🤷‍♀️

[Rudra]

21 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

23 minutes ago, Rudra said:

 In response to you being asked to do what the devs have asked us all to do to have a change implemented: gather data for them.

 

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If hardmode is so popular, then it should be easy for you and other proponents of this idea to demonstrate it in practice.  Build an SG, a coalition of SGs, that play exclusively hardmode.  Rather than continuing to (demonstrably falsely) assert that it's universally popular - prove us wrong.

 

This is not how you're wording it. He's demanding proof to prove HIM wrong. Stop trying to rewrite history because you jumped the gun and got called out again.

You are again misrepresenting what was said. First, it was "prove us wrong", not "prove me wrong". Second, as a debate, if you want the devs to lend more credence to your claims, then you will need to prove what you are saying as opposed to what @Doc_Scorpion or anyone else arguing against is saying. Whether it is adding a hard mode setting or server, the game's code itself is going to need to be changed to accommodate it. A change like that will most likely need proof that it won't just be time spent making something that doesn't get used. Is asking for proof really that big a deal? If you gather proof that there is at least a modest number of players that will make use of it, the devs are more likely to invest the time and effort into making it.

[Super Atom]

3 minutes ago, Rudra said:

You are again misrepresenting what was said. First, it was "prove us wrong",

 

He's apart of the "us" and i took us to imply other people in the thread disagreeing, who again as we established are not developers. The way Troo worded it is how he should have done it to avoid implying he was owed anything before the idea is allowed to continue.

 

3 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Whether it is adding a hard mode setting or server, the game's code itself is going to need to be changed to accommodate it. A change like that will most likely need proof that it won't just be time spent making something that doesn't get used. Is asking for proof really that big a deal? If you gather proof that there is at least a modest number of players that will make use of it, the devs are more likely to invest the time and effort into making it.

 

It's always cute when people come up with this imaginary standard they hold suggestions to when it suits them

Edited Friday at 11:02 PM by Super Atom

[Rudra]

Just now, Super Atom said:

 

He's apart of the "us" and i took us to imply other people in the thread disagreeing, who again as we established at not developers.

 

 

It's always cute when people come up with this imaginary standard they hold suggestions to when it suits them

Yeah, we're done. You're just arguing for its own sake now. Let me know when you're ready to have a discussion again.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Rudra said:

Yeah, we're done. You're just arguing for its own sake now. Let me know when you're ready to have a discussion again.

 

You're not discussing anything, you mistakenly agreed someone was being personally attacked and when shown evidence they weren't you got defensive and are trying to refuse to be wrong.

 

again it's your MO.

[Rudra]

4 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

 

You're not discussing anything, you mistakenly agreed someone was being personally attacked and when shown evidence they weren't you got defensive and are trying to refuse to be wrong.

 

again it's your MO.

Not what I said in the slightest. See below:

 

  

51 minutes ago, Rudra said:

No, (s)he/they called the idea that. Not the person. Quote here:

 

 

See? Nowhere in the post is the author being called anything vulgar. Just the idea. If you don't like the idea being called that? Okay. Saying that is the author being called that however? Is a stretch.

 

Edit: Now if you are saying that my comment can be read as my taking your comment as an attack on someone? It wasn't, but I can see how that can be viewed that way. And if that is the case, then I apologize.

 

Edited Friday at 11:09 PM by Rudra

[Super Atom]

Just now, Rudra said:

Not what I said in the slightest. See below:

 

  

 

 

I saw what you said, and what you said was wrong from the start. I never said he called them that, I said he started his posting by calling their idea shit and that i think that's toxic.

[srmalloy]

On 2/13/2025 at 2:26 PM, sshazaam1 said:

Its the future, I'm positive its going to happen! So many other games are adding Hardcore servers as well, despite it being "against the lore" and what not.

[Maelwys]

25 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

 

None of what you said was true

 

thats about as polite as i can be 🤷‍♀️

Well darn; that's me told then, isn't it...

[Super Atom]

Just now, Maelwys said:

Well darn; that's me told then, isn't it...

 

yes exactly, finally we're on the same page.  🤝

[Rudra]

15 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

I never said he called them that, I said he started his posting by calling their idea shit and that i think that's toxic.

You did. And I apologize for that.

[lemming]

2 hours ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

Guys, can we please show some love for each other on this Valentines Day?

 

[Indystruck]

6 hours ago, arcane said:

The cheerleading squad has arrived. Thank god.

 

wow, someone just can't comprehend the power of positivity

 

turn that frown upside down, buddy 🙂

 

you too, glacier peak! I know you can manage to not be confused. 🙂

 

[Indystruck]

double posted! 🙂

Edited Saturday at 05:04 AM by Indystruck

[Skyhawke]

I'm all for a hardcore server, but it gets baked into it's code: Every character must run a Posi 1 every level starting at 8. There will be one AI character that is automatically on your team. This character is a Kinetic Melee/Regen Scrapper, rushes the steps everytime and if you make it past that,  will rush the shadows. All while yelling "For Snarky!"

 

Good luck.

[sshazaam1]

Guys guys I apologize! I didn't know all this was going to cause this much strife. I was just trying evolve a game I love. Yes everyone might not agree with it, and it possibly could be wrong, but I agree with it and I'm trying to get it implemented! Just like any one else with an idea and has the balls to put it out there. I don't mind forking up some of my cash to get it down either if its a matter of money. 800 a month isn't much and I'm sure the server would skyrocket anyways! 

[sshazaam1]

13 hours ago, Maelwys said:

The ask here is for Homecoming to MAKE A NEW "PERMADEATH ENFORCED" SERVER SHARD.

Homecoming's published Server Infrastructure Cost for last month alone (for the current 6 shards) was $4,853.37
That's a average of a smidge over $800/month per server shard.

Step back from yourself for just a minute. Given the preferences displayed by Homecoming's players (on the forums or otherwise) and Developers... can you honestly claim that anyone in their right mind would possibly consider it good value for money for a NON PROFIT ORGANISATION like Homecoming to commit ongoing funds to setting up a new "Enforced Permadeath" server? Let alone also provide enough manpower to implement a brand new fork of the codebase with "death=deleted" baked into it; alter all the powersets and lore accordingly; troubleshoot the aforementioned obvious issues with things like AE farming and emailing yourself "cheat items", etc. and then constantly maintain this separate codebase going forward for the life of that new server?

That's not just a /jranger; that's a...
 


By comparison; the most PvPers ever cost the devs was some fresh polish for Castle's steel toecaps after the severe kicking he inflicted upon them back in issue 13, although thankfully HC have recently thrown the poor sods a bone or two.

Still; a PvP-only HC Server would doubtless end up far less of a ghost town than an Enforced-Permadeath HC Server... 🤔
 

 

[Luminara]

19 hours ago, Super Atom said:

the old people who haunt this forum don't understand

 

No, we understand.  We just don't give a fuck.  If you kids want to climb the mountain, go for it.  We've been there and done that, and we're not interested in doing it again.  We'll relax right here, on our lawn.

[JKCarrier]

I want a Softcore Server. It would be exactly like the regular servers, except that all the missions where you have to fight Silver Mantis are removed.

[keyguardactive]

Having now gone through every post in this thread, I'd like to make a couple points:

 

Frist, Not every mode is for every game. 

 

I'm not saying a Hardcore mode is universally bad. As we've established, there are games where it is not only possible, but popular. Hell, I've done a Pokemon Nuzlock run myself. But you wouldn't implement that in, say, Dark Souls. Because dying is part of that game. You pretty much have to die to get out of the tutorial. Like it or not, a core part of the CoH game loop is recovering from failure and trying again. It's pretty much baked in. Something being popular doesn't make it right in every instance. Pornography is very popular, but I wouldn't want it in CoH either, because it would be a tonal and thematic mismatch. 

 

Second, lets not mistake people wanting to watch something with people wanting to do something. Watching somebody try and fail to get through all of Star Wars The Old Republic on one life sounds entertaining! But what percentage of people watching end up playing the game, and what percentage of that percentage end up attempting the same thing? I like watching boxing, but I don't want to get punched in the head myself. 

 

Finally, I am so very tired of people saying "well you're not the developers!" when people say they don't like their idea. If you're so set that the forums are bad and toxic and we hate everything, well, don't let the door hit you on your way out. To paraphrase the Scorpion and the Toad "You knew I was a Grognard when you got here." 

 

 

[Super Atom]

5 hours ago, Luminara said:

 

No, we understand.  We just don't give a fuck.  If you kids want to climb the mountain, go for it.  We've been there and done that, and we're not interested in doing it again.  We'll relax right here, on our lawn.

 

The clouds have been thoroughly yelled at, i assure you.