I've never tried Hasten... should I start?

[Forager]

People can't seem to get off of it, so I'm afraid to try it.

 

Is it really that good? Am I really missing out on something? I don't feel like my powers recharge slowly, in fact I often feel like some of my stuff goes unused. Current build has 49% recharge bonuses which feels like plenty.

 

Will I get addicted if I try it?

Edited Friday at 03:45 PM by Forager

[Zan]

First hit is free.

[Psyonico]

My personal feelings on hasten:

 

I avoid it unless specific build goals are unrealistic without it.  Phantom Army, for example, is insanely difficult to get perma without hasten.

[Yomo Kimyata]

For a single power pick pool, it is definitely the best bang for the buck.

 

[Scarlet Shocker]

In my experience, there are very few builds where it does not make a serious difference.

 

Even better it's one power and only one additional slot at level 50, so with two lvl 50 recharge enhancements and 10 enhancement boosters you've got almost perma-hasten for minimal outlay. With a couple of LotG procs and other recharge bonuses it's what allows you to perma some otherwise great but infrequent powers.

 

I find it's at its best when you use it on your characters "signature" power - for example Plant's Carrion Creepers or Illusion's Phantom Army where their normal recharge is very very long in real time but can be seriously reduced to give you a great power and frequent application.

 

I almost always take it - and when I haven't it's because my build is somewhat quirky or there isn't a signature power that I want to use often

[Snarky]

Yes, and hurry!

[Skyhawke]

16 minutes ago, Snarky said:

Yes, and hurry!

 

[catsi563]

2 hours ago, Forager said:

People can't seem to get off of it, so I'm afraid to try it.

 

Is it really that good? Am I really missing out on something? I don't feel like my powers recharge slowly, in fact I often feel like some of my stuff goes unused. Current build has 49% recharge bonuses which feels like plenty.

 

Will I get addicted if I try it?

 

 

yes you should use it and use it regularly

 

one of the most important things in the game is action economy which means the speed at which you act. A tanker or brute for example should always be on the attack

 

Blasters and scrappers live and die on being full offensive in a fight 

 

as Scarlet said theres very few builds that can skip hasten as a needed component for max efficacy  MMs are one of the only ATs where its little used for the others having your heals or attacks or your OH CRAP buttons back up nearly instantly is a literal life saver

 

for most of my builds hasten is gotten around 6th level as quickly as I can after building the basic set of powers between 1-4

 

so yeah get hasten it works and its effects cant be overstated at all

[Forager]

I guess I've just never experienced the problem that hasten solves. Maybe I'm slow... I'm never really waiting on recharges.

 

I haven't played everything yet, though. I've never played a Controller... I know some of those recharges are long.

[biostem]

14 minutes ago, Forager said:

I guess I've just never experienced the problem that hasten solves. Maybe I'm slow... I'm never really waiting on recharges.

IMHO, hasten addresses one of those "issues" that can be addressed in other ways;  Hasten just does so in a more straightforward way.  Sure, you could take more attack powers and/or slot the ones you have to better fill any gaps in your attack chain, or you can take hasten and slot for enough global recharge to make it permanent, thereby improving the recharge of all of your powers, without having to adjust the slotting of any of your other powers...

[Psyonico]

29 minutes ago, biostem said:

or you can take hasten and slot for enough global recharge to make it permanent, thereby improving the recharge of all of your powers, without having to adjust the slotting of any of your other powers...

Except you *are* adjusting the slotting of other powers, you’re adjusting them to have sets with global recharge bonuses so that you can get hasten permanent, meaning you’re *not* getting other set bonuses that may or may not be more desirable.

[biostem]

4 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

Except you *are* adjusting the slotting of other powers, you’re adjusting them to have sets with global recharge bonuses so that you can get hasten permanent, meaning you’re *not* getting other set bonuses that may or may not be more desirable.

I don't dispute that you will have to make some very intentional slotting decisions to achieve perma-hasten, but the degree to which you sacrifice regular power effectiveness is entirely up to the player...

[Scarlet Shocker]

1 hour ago, Psyonico said:

Except you *are* adjusting the slotting of other powers, you’re adjusting them to have sets with global recharge bonuses so that you can get hasten permanent, meaning you’re *not* getting other set bonuses that may or may not be more desirable.

 

That's one of the very best beauties of this game. There are so many different ways to play, to suit everyone, no matter your taste or style.

 

I think it's one reason this game has the love and longevity it does because it can be unique for every player and every player's characters.

[Erratic1]

I hopped on the perma-Hasten train back in the first month of release and long used it wherever I could.

 

But I weaned myself from it after coming to Homecoming. Now I never use Hasten, even as a click-power, unless a build requires perma-Hasten to make it operate the way I need it to.

[biostem]

45 minutes ago, Erratic1 said:

I hopped on the perma-Hasten train back in the first month of release and long used it wherever I could.

How'd you achieve perma-hasten before IOs?  Kin?  SR? 6-slot rech pre-ED?

Edited Friday at 11:06 PM by biostem

[Erratic1]

10 minutes ago, biostem said:

How'd you achieve perma-hasten before IOs?  Kin?  SR? 6-slot rech pre-ED?

 

Radiation Defender using Accelerate Metabolism, Hasten, and quad (I think) slotting pre-ED.

[biostem]

1 minute ago, Erratic1 said:

Radiation Defender using Accelerate Metabolism, Hasten, and quad (I think) slotting pre-ED.

A rad/rad was my 2nd or 3rd character in beta.  I didn't understand what AM even did - I mainly used it for the increased run speed, lol!

[MonteCarla]

The more global recharge you build up in Set bonuses, the better Hasten becomes.

I'll typically have around +100% global, which means perma-Hasten, so +170% recharge on top of slotting in individual powers.

 

This means:

AoE stun is up every group for Controllers/Dominators

Aim/Build up is up more frequently

Nukes on Blasters/Defenders/Corrupters and Sentinel up more frequently

Dominators get perma-Domination

Powers loaded with damage procs can be left unslotted for Recharge to improve the proc chance, but still cycle quickly. 

Powerset specific buffs like Empathy auras and Fortitude, self heals in armor sets, etc. are up more frequently 

There are a few characters where recharge is not a big goal, but they're more the exception than the rule.

[Psyonico]

3 hours ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

 

That's one of the very best beauties of this game. There are so many different ways to play, to suit everyone, no matter your taste or style.

 

I think it's one reason this game has the love and longevity it does because it can be unique for every player and every player's characters.

I wasn’t arguing that someone shouldn’t take hasten or build for perma hasten, I was simply pointing out that building for global recharge (just like building for anything else) means you’re *not* building for something else.

[biostem]

8 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

I wasn’t arguing that someone shouldn’t take hasten or build for perma hasten, I was simply pointing out that building for global recharge (just like building for anything else) means you’re *not* building for something else.

I think it's a matter of perspective.  For instance, before IOs, (and it still holds true for most attack powers I take), I aim for about 2 SOs worth of acc, and 3 SOs worth of dmg.  So if an IO set grants those bonuses AND some global +rech, then I have not, in fact, given up anything in order to attain said global +rech.  That doesn't mean that nobody has made such sacrifices in chasing that global recharge, but it also doesn't mean that everyone has...

Edited Saturday at 01:22 AM by biostem

[Psyonico]

1 hour ago, biostem said:

So if an IO set grants those bonuses AND some global +rech, then I have not, in fact, given up anything in order to attain said global +rech. 

But you have though, you’ve given up on other set bonuses.  I don’t know if there are any sets that give both global recharge and a defense bonus, consider Winter IOs vs Very Rare (though I do believe the ranged very rare set gives token Psi defense).

 

you have to pick one or the other.

 

I’d love to see a perma-hasten build that has capped defense to all positionals that isn’t something like SR (SR cheats in my example)

[biostem]

6 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

But you have though, you’ve given up on other set bonuses.  I don’t know if there are any sets that give both global recharge and a defense bonus, consider Winter IOs vs Very Rare (though I do believe the ranged very rare set gives token Psi defense).

You are under the misapprehension that I slot enh's with IO set bonuses as my main concern, and this simply isn't the case.  Perhaps you or others do, but, as I stated, that is not my design goal.  I cannot be said to be "giving up" something if that other thing was never a consideration.  If I'm going for defense, then I'm focus on defense.  if I'm going for +rech, then I'll go for that.  But to say that I'm giving up a Ferrari by going for a Honda assumes that I was ever going for said Ferrari...

Edited Saturday at 03:02 AM by biostem

[Scarlet Shocker]

6 hours ago, Psyonico said:

I wasn’t arguing that someone shouldn’t take hasten or build for perma hasten, I was simply pointing out that building for global recharge (just like building for anything else) means you’re *not* building for something else.

 

Sure. I wasn't contradicting you just making the point we can do many things and all of them are "the right way" to do it

[Water]

'Build police' demand it - I have it on one character out of 200+ over 5 accounts. If it fits your build then great, be sure to facilitate it with extra endurance.

 

[Wobegone]

For some power sets I like it, Radiation Armor, Dark Miasma, and Bio armor come to mind.  For most of the rest I tend to ignore it.  If you have long recharge powers that are essential to your build, I say take it.  If not, it's entirely skippable.  If I had to lean one way or the other, i'd say Hasten is optional for normal gameplay.

 

Edit: Hasten is also useful for attack chains.  Most(many, some?) of the highest single target damage kings use Hasten.  

Edited Saturday at 08:27 AM by Wobegone