Melee Proliferation

[Troo]

Still a couple missing sets on some ATs (someone else can add Dominator assault sets and Sentinel armours if they like)

 

Brute Battle Axe Broad Sword Claws Dark Melee Dual Blades Electrical Melee Energy Melee Fiery Melee Ice Melee Katana Kinetic Melee Martial Arts [missing] Psionic Melee Radiation Melee Savage Melee Spines Staff Fighting Stone Melee Street Justice Super Strength Titan Weapons War Mace   Bio Armor Dark Armor Electric Armor Energy Aura Fiery Aura Ice Armor Invulnerability [missing] Psionic Armor Radiation Armor Regeneration Shield Defense Stone Armor Super Reflexes Willpower

Tanker Battle Axe Broad Sword Claws Dark Melee Dual Blades Electrical Melee Energy Melee Fiery Melee Ice Melee Katana Kinetic Melee Martial Arts [missing]  Psionic Melee Radiation Melee Savage Melee Spines Staff Fighting Stone Melee Street Justice Super Strength Titan Weapons War Mace   Bio Armor Dark Armor Electric Armor Energy Aura Fiery Aura Ice Armor Invulnerability [missing] Psionic Armor Radiation Armor Regeneration Shield Defense Stone Armor Super Reflexes Willpower

Scrapper Battle Axe Broad Sword Claws Dark Melee Dual Blades Electrical Melee Energy Melee Fiery Melee Ice Melee Katana Kinetic Melee Martial Arts [missing] Psionic Melee Radiation Melee Savage Melee Spines Staff Fighting Stone Melee Street Justice [missing] Titan Weapons War Mace   Bio Armor Dark Armor Electric Armor Energy Aura Fiery Aura Ice Armor Invulnerability Ninjitsu Psionic Armor Radiation Armor Regeneration Shield Defense Stone Armor Super Reflexes Willpower

Stalker [missing] Broad Sword Claws Dark Melee Dual Blades Electrical Melee Energy Melee Fiery Melee Ice Melee [missing] Kinetic Melee Martial Arts Ninja Blade Psionic Melee Radiation Melee Savage Melee Spines Staff Fighting Stone Melee Street Justice [missing] [missing] [missing]   Bio Armor Dark Armor Electric Armor Energy Aura Fiery Aura Ice Armor Invulnerability Ninjitsu Psionic Armor Radiation Armor Regeneration Shield Defense Stone Armor Super Reflexes Willpower

 

We can say Ninja Blade and Katana are the same, right?

 

[Psi-bolt]

That Stalkers don't have War Mace is really surprising since that's basically what Bane Spiders are.  I do think thematically, Ninjutsu is a little silly for a Tanker/Brute.  I'm all for silly, but the changes that would need to be made to that set for it to function as a Tanker would change the character of the set so much that it would be functionally no longer Ninjutsu.

[Troo]

Titan Weapons might be hard to do on Stalkers, similar to Ninjutsu for Brutes & Tanks.

 

So:

Battle Ax, War Mace, & Super Strength to Stalkers.

Super Strength to Scrappers

[Psi-bolt]

8 minutes ago, Troo said:

Titan Weapons might be hard to do on Stalkers, similar to Ninjutsu for Brutes & Tanks.

 

So:

Battle Ax, War Mace, & Super Strength to Stalkers.

Super Strength to Scrappers

 

Recognizing the issues with Rage discussed in your other thread, I still don't see why it would be a big deal to proliferate SS to Scrappers/Stalkers.  Hand Clap obviously becomes Assassin's Blow/Smash/Knockout or whatever.  I don't think you can just go with Build up, but it seems to me that a +DMG/+To-Hit toggle (so no crash) called something like "Focused Strength" with perhaps equal to-hit but much less damage buff (25-40%) could work.  

[ZemX]

3 minutes ago, Psi-bolt said:

I'm all for silly, but the changes that would need to be made to that set for it to function as a Tanker would change the character of the set so much that it would be functionally no longer Ninjutsu.

 

Not really.  Wouldn't need to do much more than tack on a AoE taunt to the ranged/AoE defense toggle, similar to what was done to Evasion in Super Reflexes.  Your dodging literally pisses people off all around you! And Stealth is not weird for the big guys either.  See also: Dark Armor.

 

But yes, silly.  Then again, theme when out the window when Stalkers got Stone Melee and Stone Armor... *clomp* *clomp* *clomp* *Assassinate!*

 

[Sakura Tenshi]

I think stalker theme can be a lot more flexible than we first realized, myself included. Of course we always think of the ninja, but you know another type of sneaky executioner type of villain? Slasher movie antagonists.

 

Appear out of nowhere, butcher someone in a gory manner, and vanish with seemingly no trace. And many times they seem a lot tougher than normal for the duration that do appear (Jason, perhaps?) thus, you can have invulnerability stalkers or regen stalkers you can't keep down. Its why I think Titan Weapons, Battle Axe, and War Mace are perfectly acceptable stalker sets.

[Neiska]

Personally I am fine with Super Strength on stalkers, STR based Rogues are actually a meta setup in some games. But the idea of a rogue sneaking around with a 10 foot long greatsword is kind of funny, but not enough to stop it from adding IMO. I mean, we have people with granite form who do kung fu flips, spin kicks and so on too. Lots of silly looking things in the game. And to me, honestly? That's part of the charm.

[Octogoat]

5 hours ago, Psi-bolt said:

That Stalkers don't have War Mace is really surprising since that's basically what Bane Spiders are.  I do think thematically, Ninjutsu is a little silly for a Tanker/Brute.  I'm all for silly, but the changes that would need to be made to that set for it to function as a Tanker would change the character of the set so much that it would be functionally no longer Ninjutsu.

I don't know shredder always seemed to me to be a ninja tank

[OverkillEngine]

[Semi related since this has to do with powerset proliferation too]

 

Given that a good chunk of any needed work for Ninjitsu for Tanks/Brutes has already been done to get it ported to Scrappers:

 

Edited Saturday at 12:41 AM by OverkillEngine

[Erratic1]

9 hours ago, Troo said:

Titan Weapons might be hard to do on Stalkers, similar to Ninjutsu for Brutes & Tanks.

 

So:

Battle Ax, War Mace, & Super Strength to Stalkers.

Super Strength to Scrappers

 

No.

 

If Super Strength goes to Scrappers, then I am going to get my Brute Ninja. 

 

All or nothing.

[Psyonico]

5 hours ago, Neiska said:

But the idea of a rogue sneaking around with a 10 foot long greatsword is kind of funny,

So is a Shield stalker, but we have that.

[Neiska]

12 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

So is a Shield stalker, but we have that.

 

Personally I am okay with silly or funny. I mean, what if the shield has like a tree painted on it or something and the rogue is pulling the whole "YOU CANT SEE ME" bit?

 

Edited Saturday at 12:59 AM by Neiska

[Psyonico]

So, that picture reminds me of one of my cats… here he is “hiding”

[Troo]

Maybe Ninjitsu would be too strong on a Tank.

 

[Sakura Tenshi]

2 hours ago, Troo said:

Maybe Ninjitsu would be too strong on a Tank.

 

Tanker Ninjutsu: include Kage Bushin, indestructible clones that just hold aggro. Instantly best tank set.

[Forager]

On 7/11/2025 at 11:18 AM, Troo said:

We can say Ninja Blade and Katana are the same, right?

 

I think we can?

 

But I can't shake this sense of dread that tells me that something is out there... watching... waiting... and it's coming here right now to explain why they are not the same.

 

I don't know it's name, but I do know the noise it makes...

 

ACKSHUALLY!

[Sakura Tenshi]

@Troo and @Forager

 

You want the actual difference of a ninja blade and a katana or the in-game one? Because the in-game is really just that ninja blade is sheathed on the back instead of the hip. Also the default model is a slightly smaller, straighter blade.

[Forager]

1 hour ago, Sakura Tenshi said:

You want the actual difference of a ninja blade and a katana or the in-game one?

 

No. Neither. Nobody does. Nobody wants that. Nobody's asking. Nobody asked that. Nobody ever asked that and nobody should ask that and nobody should answer that and they double shouldn't answer it when nobody asked.

 

Brace for impact, fellas. It's coming!

[Snarky]

a Ninja Tanker....?  Can we get them with a shell backpack?

[Erratic1]

9 hours ago, Troo said:

Maybe Ninjitsu would be too strong on a Tank.

 

 

I am sure it can be nerfed for every other AT, just like what was done with Energy Aura, to make it work on Tankers.

[Psyonico]

12 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

 

I am sure it can be nerfed for every other AT, just like what was done with Energy Aura, to make it work on Tankers.

 

 

[Jacke]

18 hours ago, Erratic1 said:

I am sure it can be nerfed for every other AT, just like what was done with Energy Aura, to make it work on Tankers.

 

I will mourn for a long time that Tanker Energy Aura has no stealth.  Sigh.  Another Toon I'll have to use up one of the only 4 Pool Picks on Concealment.

 

 

[Captain Citadel]

The one thing I'm not looking forward to about SS getting proliferated to other ATs is the fact that they will almost certainly get a better alternative to Rage, much like how Invulnerability got better powers on Sentinels when they merged Resist Elements/Resist Energies into Environmental Resistance and added Durability. Even Stalkers got the benefit of Environmental Resistance, though it was necessary to merge them in order to still have room for Hide.

I just hate Rage, man. If I don't use it, my attacks feel weak. If I do, I get to stop fighting for 10 whole seconds, which feels a lot longer than it actually is once you're in that smooth attack chain groove.

[OverkillEngine]

5 hours ago, Captain Citadel said:

The one thing I'm not looking forward to about SS getting proliferated to other ATs is the fact that they will almost certainly get a better alternative to Rage, much like how Invulnerability got better powers on Sentinels when they merged Resist Elements/Resist Energies into Environmental Resistance and added Durability. Even Stalkers got the benefit of Environmental Resistance, though it was necessary to merge them in order to still have room for Hide.

I just hate Rage, man. If I don't use it, my attacks feel weak. If I do, I get to stop fighting for 10 whole seconds, which feels a lot longer than it actually is once you're in that smooth attack chain groove.

I'd take a crashless version with a lower bonus in a heartbeat just to not have to deal with the mandatory break time abortion of a concept for balancing every couple minutes. And just because we *can* build our way around it with proc bombing and rage stacking doesn't mean we should have to.

[ZemX]

On 7/11/2025 at 7:58 PM, Neiska said:

Personally I am okay with silly or funny. I mean, what if the shield has like a tree painted on it or something and the rogue is pulling the whole "YOU CANT SEE ME" bit?

 

It's even better than that since Stalker's Grant Cover also grants stealth to nearby teammates when the Stalker is in Hide status.  

 

Stalker: "Shhhhhh!  Everybody behind the shield!  They won't see us!  It's got a tree painted on the front."

Scrapper: "We're in a cave."

Stalker: *assassinates the Scrapper*