powerset suggestion Proposed new powerset: Infernal Assault -- Where there's a whip there's a way

[Zepp]

37 minutes ago, daveyfiacre said:

i love the set, the only thing i struggle with is the fire attacks 😞

 

lol i want to get over them but i cant T_T and it makes me so sad. i really really do like how you built the set. [and my set]. if you could mishmash the fx from other hellfire powers... or even use the sorcery patch if the fx fits better than the fire patch...

 

lol im sorry!!!!

The idea is that the fire animations will be adjusted to use the Hellfire particle effects. The reason for choosing fire powers is because it is easier to port character animations. As such, this would allow the porting of character animations with the hellfire particle effects to get the best set possible while minimizing work. I'm just thinking about how much of a hellscape this set would bring to the battlefield. It should be very visually stunning...

[Steampunkette]

 

 

Been thinking about this... I have a couple other thoughts

 

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Name	Animation	Level	Description
Hellfire Blast	Flares (Hellfire Projectile)	1	Ranged (40'), Light DMG (Fire), DoT (Toxic), -Res
Hellfire Whip	Corruption (No projectile)	2	Melee (20'), Moderate DMG (Fire), Foe -Res, Immobilize, Minor DoT(Toxic)
Hellfire Lash	Lash	4	Melee (20'), High DMG (Fire), Foe -Res, Immobilize, Minor DoT(Toxic)
Hellfire Burst	Fire Blast (Hellfire Projectile)	10	Ranged (40'), Light DMG (Fire), DoT (Toxic), -Res
Hellfire's Wrath	Envenomed Blades	16	Self +DoT (Fire/Toxic), +ToHit on all attacks
Infernal Strike	Whip Crack	20	Melee (20' Cone), High DMG (Fire), DoT (Toxic), Foe -Res, Stun
Brimstone	Bonfire (Small Hellfire Burn Patch)	28	Location PBAoE, Moderate DoT (Fire), Minor DoT (Toxic), Foe -Res Self +Res (Immobilize)
Charred Sky	Rain of Fire	35	Ranged (40') (Location AoE), Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic)
Summon Hellfire	Hell on Earth	38	Ranged 40' Hold, Location AoE Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic), Summon Living Hellfire (2s Mag 6 hold, unenhanceable)

With this arrangement we get a slightly different design that backloads the AoE a bit, but loads it pretty hard. I also feel like we gave them too much AoE overall, so I removed Inferno and kept both Rain of Fire and Bonfire, set up to change the battle itself with Fire and Fear Effects rather than the instantaneous explosion. I think that might work better, over all.

Edited September 14, 2019 by Steampunkette

[Shadowsleuth]

Will there also be a Whip Ancillary Power Pool created as well?

[Steampunkette]

5 minutes ago, Shadowsleuth said:

Will there also be a Whip Ancillary Power Pool created as well?

Right after Titan Weapons gets a Power Pool!

[krj12]

I'd prefer something in-line with my Indiana Jones type character that I'd create.  All these fire based powers, not quite what I'd have in mind for a whip powerset.

 

 

[Zepp]

Let's take a look at your proposed changes:

T1 -> T2 (becomes melee) (renamed)
T2 -> T3 (Infernal dropped for Hellfire)

T3 -> T8 (Renamed Charred Sky)
T4 -> T6 (Renamed from Whip Crack to Strike)
T5 (no changes)
T6 (eliminated)
T7 (specified particle modification) (Renamed to Brimstone [taken from T3])

T8 (eliminated)

T9 (No changes)

New T1 -> Taken from Flares
New T4 -> Taken from Fire Blast

I understand where you are going, but I'm not really in favor of eliminating the Aura. Also, I think keeping corruption as a ranged allows one to have a mix of melee and ranged within the context of just whip animations. In addition, I would suggest that since both Flares and Fire Blast already exist in Fiery Assault, it would be better to go with Scorch, as it is outside of currently existing Assault powers and gives the set a melee attack without converting Corruption. I also thought maybe removing Burn (8' melee location AoE) and replacing it with the Summon Demon Prince animation at double speed (without the actual summon) could be one way to limit the location AoE to 4', making it basically a ST ranged attack with a short duration mini patch left behind.

Thus, my proposal is:

Name	Animation	Level	Description
Curse	Corruption	1	Ranged (40'), Minor DMG (Fire), DoT (Toxic), -Res
Lash of Hellfire	Lash	2	Melee (20'), High DMG (Fire), Foe -Res, Immobilize, Minor DoT(Toxic)
Charred Sky	Rain of Fire	4	Ranged (40') (Location AoE), Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic)
Helltouched	Scorch	10	Melee, Moderate DMG (Fire) Minor DoT (Toxic)  -Res
Hellfire's Wrath	Envenomed Blades	16	Self +DoT (Fire/Toxic), +ToHit on all attacks
Fueling Flames	Cauterizing Aura	20	Toggle: PBAoE, Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic), Self +HoT, +Rec
Brimstone	Summon Demon Prince (sans Prince)	28	Ranged (40') (Location AoE), Moderate (Fire/Toxic), Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic), Foe -Res
Infernal Strike	Crack Whip	35	Melee (20' Cone), High DMG (Fire), DoT (Toxic), Foe -Res, Stun
Summon Hellfire	Hell on Earth	38	Ranged 40' Hold, Location AoE Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic), Summon Living Hellfire (2s Mag 6 hold, unenhanceable)

 

 

Edited September 14, 2019 by Zepp

[Zepp]

5 minutes ago, krj12 said:

I'd prefer something in-line with my Indiana Jones type character that I'd create.  All these fire based powers, not quite what I'd have in mind for a whip powerset.

The idea is to go with what we have access to atm. That means that our options are fairly limited.

[Steampunkette]

26 minutes ago, Zepp said:

Let's take a look at your proposed changes:

T1 -> T2 (becomes melee) (renamed)
T2 -> T3 (Infernal dropped for Hellfire)

T3 -> T8 (Renamed Charred Sky)
T4 -> T6 (Renamed from Whip Crack to Strike)
T5 (no changes)
T6 (eliminated)
T7 (specified particle modification) (Renamed to Brimstone [taken from T3])

T8 (eliminated)

T9 (No changes)

New T1 -> Taken from Flares
New T4 -> Taken from Fire Blast

I understand where you are going, but I'm not really in favor of eliminating the Aura. Also, I think keeping corruption as a ranged allows one to have a mix of melee and ranged within the context of just whip animations. In addition, I would suggest that since both Flares and Fire Blast already exist in Fiery Assault, it would be better to go with Scorch, as it is outside of currently existing Assault powers and gives the set a melee attack without converting Corruption. I also thought maybe removing Burn (8' melee location AoE) and replacing it with the Summon Demon Prince animation at double speed (without the actual summon) could be one way to limit the location AoE to 4', making it basically a ST ranged attack with a short duration mini patch left behind.

Thus, my proposal is:

Name	Animation	Level	Description
Curse	Corruption	1	Ranged (40'), Minor DMG (Fire), DoT (Toxic), -Res
Lash of Hellfire	Lash	2	Melee (20'), High DMG (Fire), Foe -Res, Immobilize, Minor DoT(Toxic)
Charred Sky	Rain of Fire	4	Ranged (40') (Location AoE), Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic)
Helltouched	Scorch	10	Melee, Moderate DMG (Fire) Minor DoT (Toxic)  -Res
Hellfire's Wrath	Envenomed Blades	16	Self +DoT (Fire/Toxic), +ToHit on all attacks
Fueling Flames	Cauterizing Aura	20	Toggle: PBAoE, Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic), Self +HoT, +Rec
Brimstone	Summon Demon Prince (sans Prince)	28	Ranged (40') (Location AoE), Moderate (Fire/Toxic), Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic), Foe -Res
Infernal Strike	Crack Whip	35	Melee (20' Cone), High DMG (Fire), DoT (Toxic), Foe -Res, Stun
Summon Hellfire	Hell on Earth	38	Ranged 40' Hold, Location AoE Minor DoT (Fire/Toxic), Summon Living Hellfire (2s Mag 6 hold, unenhanceable)

 

 

I get the idea of maintaining corruption as a ranged attack, I just want to avoid having Scorch or other Fire-Melee attacks in the set, so dropping Corruption's range makes it and the other two Whips the 'Melee' attacks for the set. Plus adding in Scorch would mean that 2 of the melee attacks have a 20ft range, but for one you have to run right into the dude's face, shifting the feeling of the set.

 

As far as the aura... it also puts them into point blank range, negating the visual benefit of the whip making their melee 20ft.

 

I -do- like the idea of Brimstone doing the Demon Prince Earth-Crack, though!

[Zepp]

The aura has the HoT as well, so it is more of a safeguard +sustain than a fully offensive tool.

It's 4am, I'll come at this tomorrow with fresh eyes

[Steampunkette]

1 minute ago, Zepp said:

The aura has the HoT as well, so it is more of a safeguard +sustain than a fully offensive tool.

It's 4am, I'll come at this tomorrow with fresh eyes

Sweet Dreams you funky flaming skull!

[Ya'dig]

I made a suggestion before that we should have a non-hero power set to hunt heroes and villains along with a bounty system sorta how SWG used to have. The bounty system is extremely unique, no one else does it, and promotes open world PvP.

 

So take the show "the Boys" and put it in here. I haven't really thought too much about it except "let's do a non-hero power set" but it's something I'd play. You could really keep some of the primaries like dual pistols, rifles, sledgehammers, etc. but the secondaries might be tricky if you stick with the role-play. Having guns, knives, traps, RPGs, "kryptonite" abilities, and even unconventional power sets might be interesting. I'm not saying have your toon run around slamming a toaster into a hero and kill them but I'm sure there's something that could work.

 

As far as travel abilities go I don't see any issue with slapping a motorcycle in the game. We already have jet packs.......

 

I don't know... just an idea I've been spinning in my head while I'm at work during down time.