Void Hunters

[Fista]

Have they been removed from the game? I have a lvl 30 PB and a lvl 18 WS and have yet to encounter any Voids or Cysts.

[Zep]

They only spawn for groups that dont have a Quantum model.

 

Forget which those are off the top of my head.

 

Cysts I have wondered myself.

[justicebeliever]

I believe that both Cysts and Voids were removed from the game.  There is mention of it in several threads, but nothing sourced (nothing on Paragon Wiki or the i25 Patch notes or the Homecoming Patch notes...

[Heraclea]

Never minded the void hunters.  They gave my banter binds actual purpose.  But gaah, those cysts were trouble.  You still run into old time cysts on some of Marcus Valerius's Cimerora radio style timed missions.  That's the only place I've seen them. 

 

All I've ever seen in ordinary content is quantums.  Some enemy groups seem to have nothing of the kind. 

[Shinobu]

 

I miss those cysts.  It was fun to run into something that was actually a surprise threat.  8)

[DSorrow]

 

I miss those cysts.  It was fun to run into something that was actually a surprise threat.  8)

 

Wouldn't mind having a "special enemies" type of difficulty setting that spawned stuff like Cysts.

[Xaeon]

Cysts were disabled entirely as a result of complaints by people who didn't like seeing them whenever they teamed with Kheldians. Void Hunters were to my knowledge; also disabled.

 

 

[MrAxe]

Really? Well that sucks. Enjoyed the surprise enemies popping up.

[Fista]

Well that's disappointing.  What are they gonna do next? Just put in a "win" button?

[Xaeon]

Well that's disappointing.  What are they gonna do next? Just put in a "win" button?

This happened ages and ages ago. A lot of people did not like AV level objects surrounded by boss mobs intruding on their content because they teamed with a kheldian and were very loud about it on the forums until the devs felt pressured to remove everything but quantum gunners and shuffle the Void Hunters and Shadow Cysts off into some arcs and task forces mostly focused around them.

[Apparition]

Yeah, Shadow Cysts and Void Hunters were mostly removed around... I want to say... Issue 14 or 15 because people were refusing to team with Kheldians over it.

[Black Zot]

Well that's disappointing.  What are they gonna do next? Just put in a "win" button?

 

Khelds weren't, and still aren't, nearly powerful enough to justify massively-overtuned enemies spawning just to fight them. 

 

Would you bring tankers along if doing so spawned enemies that ignore defense/resistance?  Would you bring a controller if they had a "control-hunter" enemy type that shielded their spawn from debuffs and CC?  No, you wouldn't, because as soon as one of those anti-AT mobs showed up your new teammate would be actively detrimental to the group.

 

Putting deterrents to inviting players into a game that's balanced around teaming is just a stupid design paradigm.

[THEDarkTyger]

Well that's disappointing.  What are they gonna do next? Just put in a "win" button?

 

I'd hardly call removing massively overtuned enemies that do extra damage against a specific AT that's already a bit on the weak side a "win button"...  ::)

[Omnicron]

I got a tip mission that turned out to be an entire warehouse full of nothing but void hunters and cysts. Never seen it before, but it was pretty interesting. I wasn't playing as a Kheldian at the time so it didn't bother me, but imagine if I had been. *shudder*

[Fista]

Well that's disappointing.  What are they gonna do next? Just put in a "win" button?

 

Khelds weren't, and still aren't, nearly powerful enough to justify massively-overtuned enemies spawning just to fight them.

 

Utter nonsense. Just means you can't just run willy nilly from group of badies to group of badies. OH NO! I have to put some thought into what I'm doing.

 

Would you bring tankers along if doing so spawned enemies that ignore defense/resistance?  Would you bring a controller if they had a "control-hunter" enemy type that shielded their spawn from debuffs and CC?  No, you wouldn't, because as soon as one of those anti-AT mobs showed up your new teammate would be actively detrimental to the group.

 

Putting deterrents to inviting players into a game that's balanced around teaming is just a stupid design paradigm.

 

This game hasn't been based around teaming since I5. Maybe earlier. All teaming does is allow you to level faster.  I mean c'mon. You can solo Task Forces.

[Fista]

I'm unable to find anything that states that Voids were removed during live. I also can't find it for Homecoming although Voids and Cysts being removed seem pretty obvious.

[MunkiLord]

 

 

Would you bring tankers along if doing so spawned enemies that ignore defense/resistance?  Would you bring a controller if they had a "control-hunter" enemy type that shielded their spawn from debuffs and CC?  No, you wouldn't, because as soon as one of those anti-AT mobs showed up your new teammate would be actively detrimental to the group.

 

I would absolutely invite them! But I'm not nearly as whiny and pissy when things go sideways as I've noticed some people are. XP debt builds character.

[justicebeliever]

Would you bring tankers along if doing so spawned enemies that ignore defense/resistance?  Would you bring a controller if they had a "control-hunter" enemy type that shielded their spawn from debuffs and CC?  No, you wouldn't, because as soon as one of those anti-AT mobs showed up your new teammate would be actively detrimental to the group.

 

I would absolutely invite them! But I'm not nearly as whiny and pissy when things go sideways as I've noticed some people are. XP debt builds character.

 

Spot on MunkiLord.  And the poster you quoted is making the bad assumption that the only thing a Kheldian brings to a team is Quantum’s.  They call out the one negative and ignore all the good things that the AT brings

[THEDarkTyger]

Well that's disappointing.  What are they gonna do next? Just put in a "win" button?

 

Khelds weren't, and still aren't, nearly powerful enough to justify massively-overtuned enemies spawning just to fight them.

 

Utter nonsense. Just means you can't just run willy nilly from group of badies to group of badies. OH NO! I have to put some thought into what I'm doing.

 

Nice that you are psychic and know how other people play. Honestly sounds to me like you never ran into these enemies as a Kheldian yourself before. All the "putting thought into what I'm doing" in the world won't change the fact that these were enemies designed specifically to screw over an already sub-par AT. They weren't impossible to beat, sure. But they were a frustratingly inappropriate ramp up in difficulty for no good reason.

[Black Zot]

Would you bring tankers along if doing so spawned enemies that ignore defense/resistance?  Would you bring a controller if they had a "control-hunter" enemy type that shielded their spawn from debuffs and CC?  No, you wouldn't, because as soon as one of those anti-AT mobs showed up your new teammate would be actively detrimental to the group.

 

I would absolutely invite them! But I'm not nearly as whiny and pissy when things go sideways as I've noticed some people are. XP debt builds character.

 

Spot on MunkiLord.  And the poster you quoted is making the bad assumption that the only thing a Kheldian brings to a team is Quantum’s.  They call out the one negative and ignore all the good things that the AT brings

 

Kheldians do a lot of things, but there's nothing they do that another AT doesn't do better (and without the detriment of AT-hunter spawns).  DPS?  They have one of the lowest damage caps in the game.  Tank?  Lobster form is flatly inferior to brutes, nevermind tankers.  CC?  Oh please, a blaster does that better.

 

Jack of all trades, master of none.  It's not a bad assumption, it's stating facts.  I play a warshade knowing that no matter what I do, someone on my team will be making me redundant at it - even before the Quant shows up and oneshots me.

[THEDarkTyger]

Would you bring tankers along if doing so spawned enemies that ignore defense/resistance?  Would you bring a controller if they had a "control-hunter" enemy type that shielded their spawn from debuffs and CC?  No, you wouldn't, because as soon as one of those anti-AT mobs showed up your new teammate would be actively detrimental to the group.

 

I would absolutely invite them! But I'm not nearly as whiny and pissy when things go sideways as I've noticed some people are. XP debt builds character.

 

Spot on MunkiLord.  And the poster you quoted is making the bad assumption that the only thing a Kheldian brings to a team is Quantum’s.  They call out the one negative and ignore all the good things that the AT brings

 

And what are those good things? Sub par DPS? Sub par tanking? Sub par control? But not all at once even!

 

But, hey, when we can't justify the existence of overtuned mobs aimed at a weak AT, let's go and just start belittling the people who don't like them, right?

[Fista]

 

 

Nice that you are psychic and know how other people play. Honestly sounds to me like you never ran into these enemies as a Kheldian yourself before. All the "putting thought into what I'm doing" in the world won't change the fact that these were enemies designed specifically to screw over an already sub-par AT. They weren't impossible to beat, sure. But they were a frustratingly inappropriate ramp up in difficulty for no good reason.

 

You spot a group. tab through them until you find the one you want. Cue attack of your choice. Kill special enemy. It's very easy. Heck after lvl 18 it's one two three. Cha, cha, cha. Identify, Energy flight, inner light, Cue up incandescent. Fly in, attack goes off, radiant and usually dead enemy. Very rarely will I need to follow up with something else. Yeah some times you miss and the get a shot off. And then it gets a little hairy but aside from checking groups I never really worry about them after about lvl 8 or 10. I've have never understood why everyone thinks they are a big deal. Sure they slow you down because you have to be a little careful in a game that doesn't often force you to do that. But otherwise... meh.

[THEDarkTyger]

 

 

Nice that you are psychic and know how other people play. Honestly sounds to me like you never ran into these enemies as a Kheldian yourself before. All the "putting thought into what I'm doing" in the world won't change the fact that these were enemies designed specifically to screw over an already sub-par AT. They weren't impossible to beat, sure. But they were a frustratingly inappropriate ramp up in difficulty for no good reason.

 

You spot a group. tab through them until you find the one you want. Cue attack of your choice. Kill special enemy. It's very easy. Heck after lvl 18 it's one two three. Cha, cha, cha. Identify, Energy flight, inner light, Cue up incandescent. Fly in, attack goes off, radiant and usually dead enemy. Very rarely will I need to follow up with something else. Yeah some times you miss and the get a shot off. And then it gets a little hairy but aside from checking groups I never really worry about them after about lvl 8 or 10. I've have never understood why everyone thinks they are a big deal. Sure they slow you down because you have to be a little careful in a game that doesn't often force you to do that. But otherwise... meh.

 

Ah. Never played Kheldians long enough to encounter Voids above minion rank, then. Much less Cysts. Because you weren't one-shotting Boss or even Lt rank VH's as a Kheld.

[MunkiLord]

 

 

Nice that you are psychic and know how other people play. Honestly sounds to me like you never ran into these enemies as a Kheldian yourself before. All the "putting thought into what I'm doing" in the world won't change the fact that these were enemies designed specifically to screw over an already sub-par AT. They weren't impossible to beat, sure. But they were a frustratingly inappropriate ramp up in difficulty for no good reason.

 

You spot a group. tab through them until you find the one you want. Cue attack of your choice. Kill special enemy. It's very easy. Heck after lvl 18 it's one two three. Cha, cha, cha. Identify, Energy flight, inner light, Cue up incandescent. Fly in, attack goes off, radiant and usually dead enemy. Very rarely will I need to follow up with something else. Yeah some times you miss and the get a shot off. And then it gets a little hairy but aside from checking groups I never really worry about them after about lvl 8 or 10. I've have never understood why everyone thinks they are a big deal. Sure they slow you down because you have to be a little careful in a game that doesn't often force you to do that. But otherwise... meh.

 

You can even set up a bind to lock onto a Quantumn, Void Hunter, or Cyst so you never miss one.

[Xaeon]

I'm 99% sure that cysts weren't removed for the Kheldian's benefit but more because of the complaints of people who teamed with them and didn't like bumping into what amounted to a surprise object with AV grade durability that constantly spat out boss level Nictus mobs even after they were no longer teaming with said kheld. The quantum gunner just affects the Kheldian themselves and for non-Khelds they're usually less dangerous than the mobs they replaced. The Cysts in particular though; were hated because they were felt to punish the rest of the team for just having a Kheldian with them.

 

As for Void Hunters, I vaguely remember forum complaints about how they "leeched XP" when they spawned next to hostile factions like the Rikti or Devouring Earth and the two would fight.