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It's specifically the fire effect, dark effect, other effect that I have seen asked for on the forums with the requests for non-Kheldian Kheldians.

Side rant: I don't know what I am doing wrong. I don't understand why I can't be understood. Back to thread: What I am saying is that non-Kheldian ATs get 67 enhancement slots to assign to their 24 powers. Kheldians get those same 67 enhancement slots, and their choice of 24 powers, plus their inherent powers that the other ATs have to use up power slots to get.

What I mean is that when a Kheldian character is made, that character gets the Fly power or the Teleport power for free. At level 4, when non-Kheldian ATs can get Fly or Teleport, and they choose Fly or Teleport, that Kheldian is grabbing another of their powers from their very robust list of powers. Yes, all powers come with that 1 slot free, but the non-Kheldian AT now has a power that doesn't really need any additonal slots to be effective, so can assign any additional slots elsewhere, whereas the Kheldian has another power that most likely needs to be slotted with additional slots. Edit: Basically, the over-abundance of powers Kheldians wind up with makes it seem like they are suffering from a lack of slots. However, as you pointed out, the opposite is true.

There are players that want access to Kheldians that are not limited to just their current primary and secondary. Granting Kheldians access to APPs, but not PPPs since VEATs don't get access to APPs, would grant Kheldian players the ability to add in fire, dark, or other attacks the base AT lacks even if they are not equal to their existing abilities.

The Live devs tried adding a 7th slot, I think as a purchasable, but that broke the game hard. So they dumped it. Not sure about adding more slots as long as it stayed at 6 or less though. I think that is part of the complaint. Non-HEATs have to use power slots to get those same powers, and I know very few people who slot Fly or Teleport past the basic slot they come with. Maybe even Fold Space. So those slots that could have been assigned to those powers are available for other powers on other ATs, but Kheldians get additional powers that eat slots as well since they don't need to use a power slot to be able to fly or teleport. Mind you, I'm not disagreeing with you. It is just my take on the situation from what I've heard from Kheldian players and read on the forums. Edit: I am in favor of Kheldians getting access to APPs. Just not more slots.

That's going to make every mission impossible to solo.

They can't be boosted because they are attuned. They started as attuned when in standard version and stay attuned when made into their superior version. If you attune the Very Rare sets, they also cannot be boosted. And once an enhancement is attuned, I am unaware of a way to de-attune them in order to boost them. Edit: And yes, I know that the purple sets function as if attuned despite not being attuned, but if you attune them for any reason, they become no longer boostable. And ATOs and WOs start out attuned.

I don't really see how, but I'm not a dev. If it works, okay. I just figured take the existing animation, clone it, but leave off the drips.

I am in favor of the OP. I am simply against the argument of real world counterfeits justifying in-game model access. Especially for something as generic as the spear Valkyrie and Shadow Hunter have.

Pretend what? I already do re-color. (Edit: I'm not asking for Soul Noir to be changed, I'm asking for an additional version that doesn't drip.)

If a person brings up real world activities as justification for something, then real world laws are going to get brought up too. CoX is a fiction, but they obviously have laws. Otherwise there wouldn't be a PPD.

And neither does Soulbound Allegiance, which is a purple set. And they are purple sets because they are Very Rare sets. Which the superior versions of the Winter Origin sets are as well. Overview Winter Origin (WO) Enhancements are all-unique and attuned enhancements. There are four damage sets and a hold set, for a total of five sets. Standard winter enhancements grant set bonuses that are roughly equivalent to rare enhancement sets, while superior winter enhancements grant set bonuses that are roughly equivalent to very rare enhancement sets Superior Enhancements Enhancement catalysts can be applied to the standard enhancements to boost them to "Superior" versions with higher enhancement values and bigger set bonuses. However, catalyzing a winter enhancement will also increase the minimum level requirement to 50, similar to very rare (purple) enhancements. https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Winter_Origin_Enhancements There are 10 purple sets if you drop ATOs and WOs. Of those 10, 1 does not have the +10% recharge boost. We can only gain the benefit of any specific bonus, like +10% recharge, up to 5 times. And there are already 9 sets that grant it.

In addition to what @TheZag said, making a new APP that granted additional slots to Kheldians would cause an uproar among the players who would then demand they get access to the same APP so they can get more slots for other ATs.

If you're already buying the SOs to go through all that... then why not just buy the SO you need?

The Winter Origin enhancements are still classified as Rare or Very Rare enhancements depending on whether they are the standard or superior forms. The superior versions are treated the same as the purple sets, having the same requirements to be slotted. (You must be level 50 to slot a superior form Winter Origin enhancement or to catalyze a standard form to a superior form.) They also grant the same magnitude bonuses. So they are the same in my book.

Do you have an idea for the build? Like what powers would you like at what tier?

Am I really that hard to understand? This seems to be a running trend. You are misunderstanding my comment. I am not arguing against players getting access to Shadow Hunter's or Valkyrie's spear. The entire last paragraph of the post you quoted, not to mention the other posts I made on this thread, are actually supportive of players getting those weapon models. It is the arguments being given for why we should get them that has me smashing my head against a wall in frustration. Valkyrie's spear may not even be unique. It is a nanite weapon from War Earth. Just like the halberd Battle Maiden uses. Nanite weapons on War Earth are difficult to find in that dimension because of the sheer destruction wrought upon that world, at least according to one of the story arcs we can play blue side. However, even in that arc, it is mentioned that there are probably more nanite spears and halberds waiting to be found, and likely even other weapon types, just that no one has currently found them other than Battle Maiden and her followers. Now, setting aside the lore of nanite melee weapons, we get to the models used. Valkyrie's spear is closer to a javelin in appearance, except too big and top-heavy for throwing. Other than that, it is still a fairly basic generic spear weapon. So as I have said, multiple times now, since I think her spear's color is one we don't have access to, then we could get her spear, color it according to the colors we have access to, and it would still be visually different from hers. So her spear would still be unique if the devs decided hers was the only one anywhere in the CoX multiverse for any reason. Same thing for Shadow Hunter's spear, which is less a spear and more... I can't remember the name of that poleweapon right now. It is spear, but reminiscent of another weapon with a specific cultural name. And since unlike Valkyrie, Shadow Hunter does not derive his powers from his weapon, I believe his weapon is just a random weapon like any of his Spirit Stalkers may have but don't use. Or anyone else for that matter.

Yep, counterfeits do exist in real life. And there are laws against them in real life too. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2320 https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1704-trademark-counterfeiting-elements-18-usc-2320 https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCODE-2011-title18/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap113-sec2320/summary And for outside the US: https://www.unodc.org/documents/counterfeit/FocusSheet/Counterfeit_focussheet_EN_HIRES.pdf https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/global-guide/anti-counterfeiting-and-online-brand-enforcement/2017/article/international-anti-counterfeiting-legislation-existing-regime-and-future-developments So if the argument is that we have counterfeits, so we should have counterfeits, then the argument is borked. Because our law enforcement lacks things like mind reading, time travel, and other super powers to track down counterfeiting operations. So that argument can be flushed. Why not just leave it at spears are not unique, so can we please have them? Even if a specific weapon in a game is unique to the character, like Valkyrie's spear might be but probably isn't, the model itself is just a spear. I can make a character right now that has a broadsword in the game that is completely unique. It did not originate from any part of the City of Heroes multiverse so it has no cross multiverse duplicate to be found anywhere. And yet that model is available for other characters to be a generic broadsword, a magic broadsword, an artifact broadsword, or whatever. Valkyrie's spear can have its unique color, at least I think hers is not a color we have access to, and still be unique to her.

Not all purple sets have the +10% recharge bonus though. Soulbound Allegiance, Superior Frozen Blast, Superior Winter's Bite, and Superior Avalanche don't grant +10% recharge bonus.

When someone disagrees with a suggestion, they are not going to chime in and say "Yes! Do it!". They will say "No". Sometimes they even give an explanation as to why they are saying no. That gives others the means to give counter-arguments as to why it should be "yes" instead, and maybe even though not likely change the opinions of the individual(s) saying no. Either way, it gives the devs more food for thought and more viewpoints to consider. That is the nature of a forum. And since this is obviously going to be another overly long argument, I'm dropping out of it. I tried to give clarification on something someone said, and it started yet another argument. And more so than previous ones, it is a pointless one. Back on the OP? Yes, if the devs are willing, getting access to some of the other spear weapons in the game for player use would be nice.

Some questions: Magnanimity: Why would sympathizing with your enemies inflict penalties on them? Clear Mind: This is already a very good power, so why does it need a +DEF component added to it? Aggrandize: To aggrandize something is to widen its scope, size, or intensity, or to make something appear greater. So why is it also lowering enemies' resistance and defense on top of enhancing allies' movement and maximum hit points? Why is everything an AoE? 7 of 9 are 25 feet radius effects while two are 15 feet radius effects? Basically, the proposed new Empathy set seems way overpowered to me. And that is even before we get to my traditional "you are taking away powers others are using" argument in the form of Heal Other. (Everything else just looks like they got rolled into combined powers instead of the individual powers they currently are, and then made even more powerful on top of that.)

All I am saying is that Portal Corp will do their best to give every discovered dimension a unique name so they know quickly which world they are dealing with. As opposed to War Earth, Alternate War Earth, Different War Earth, Other War Earth, and so on. Take the Nemesis arc where you have to investigate three dimensions he conquered. The one where he blocked out the sun would probably be called Sunless Earth because that still differentiates it from Warwolf Earth. The one where he forcibly addicted the entire world to Superadine would probably be called Troll Earth because everyone not in the Nemesis Army is a Troll. So on and so forth. Funny how even there they use different names and costumes. Silver Age Flash, Flash, Professor Zoom. I did in that statement was point out how your own argument could be used against player characters as well. You're really reaching here with that comment. (Edit again: Also, you do realize I am one of the voices in favor of the OP?) Which is the point I was making. A suggestion was made. Then it was expanded. So players are debating about whether or not the old rule still applies, because unless we are told otherwise by the current devs, it is what we have to go on. (Edit: Not as in we are required to, but what we have available.)

One problem with that. War Earth, like Praetorian Earth, Council Empire Earth, Primal Earth, et al. are unique dimensions that make up the City of Heroes multiverse. So no, you can't go to an Alternate War Earth where Valkyrie fell and cracked her skull open. Because Valkyrie is a Primal Earth person that found a War Earth weapon on Primal Earth. Now, there can be other dimensions where nanite-based weapons that look like primitive weapons exist just like they do on what's left of War Earth, and there can be more spears like what Valkyrie uses just waiting to be found on War Earth itself or even on Primal Earth or other realities where they wound up in those locations as mysteriously as Valkyrie's spear did on Primal Earth, but you won't find an alternate War Earth. And in the real world, players making characters that are true replications of fictional characters in games of the same genre claiming to be those characters have resulted in law suits of the game owner(s) for copyright infringement. And if super heroes were real, I'm willing to bet there would be an entire law industry on suing people pretending to be those super heroes. (Except for villains who would probably just kill the impersonator and be done.) No one is worshipping the NPCs. However, some of us remember why the devs back on Live refused to provide specific costume pieces despite us players asking for them. And that was so that we couldn't make characters like those NPCs. I don't know if the HC devs hold to the line of reasoning, but until we get clarification stating otherwise, some of us choose to run on the possibility that the Live devs reason still holds true. Considering more than half the player characters I see also lack a back story and are only briefly on my screen, let alone actually doing anything, the same could be said of player characters by that logic. What it boils down to is the request is being made, but because of previous dev arguments, we don't know if unique NPC costume pieces will be made available to us. And that is a large part of the conversation.

Valkyrie's spear may not itself be unique, as in there could be more out there somewhere. It is the source of her powers though. We also know it originates from War Earth, home of Battle Maiden, uses nanites to alter its wielder like Battle Maiden's halberd, and is currently the only known one. Like I said, that does not necessarily make it unique, and as a spear, can be made available as a colorable item since I don't think that specific color is available for weapons. So yeah, basically what you said. https://archive.paragonwiki.com/wiki/Valkyrie_(Hero)

Works for me! Especially if it actually stays in the PC's hands instead of constantly popping back to their back like it does in the Shadow Hunter mission for The Magician.