Voltak

I stayed on topic And I do apologize if the discussion with Mezmera goes on this long. I actually have results and experience doing this. I hope that helps and I shared the results for the sake to shed some light that comes from actual hands on, not theory. Again, I am cool. and I don't intend to deviate the subject matter at all. ** handshake **

So that's it? A person who has never done pylon testing with Dark assault nor any pylon testing with her own toon, that person will now come to the forums and declare that based ONLY on theories found in Mid planner, with that info alone, that's enough to declare Dark as mediocre for Pylon times !!?? This is what I have issue with -- On the one hand we have players who have walked the walked and done and achieved things , in this case, who have actually done pylon testing and seen for themselves , then we have players who have no such experience, no such first hand knowledge, never done the walk but they come here claiming things. The players who have done these things, they can give the OP a better picture especially when talking about the specific assault set. It's like players who give advice about killing an AV +4 but who have never done it or can't. I mean there's free speech but the doers have a bit more weight than theory crafters Regarding Dark Assault DPA let me provide the corroborating material, not opinions. As we can see, Midnight Grasp is at 77.85 DPA Gloom is at 84.53 DPA Smite is 98.72 Moonbeam is 75 DPA Non enhanced ____________________________ With enhancements but without musculature and without any other incarnates, and without procs (procs I discussed at the bottom) Smite 306.2 DPA Midnight Grasp is 225.6 Gloom is 231.4 Moonbeam is 165 But here is where Dark does well --> the short animation times for most of the attacks in the chain when doing pylon testing. Smite is only .97 seconds with a 2 second recharge Gloom is one second cast with a 2 second recharge Moonbeam is insta , with 5 sec recharge Midnight Grasp is only 2 second casting time, 4 secs recharge THis is all very crucial and we, who have done pylon testing over and over, these things we know are crucial to take into consideration with every other pertinent fact. PRO TIP -->>>. Shorter casting times will allow you to dish out more attacks within the time your damage booster is active, especially Build up procs, since they happen at random. Quicker recharge time helps to dish out the highest DPA attacks within the time window of your dmg booster. Again, how fast those powers recharge is another indispensable factor, the faster they recharge the sooner you can use them especially during the window of your dmg boost. For the sake of getting a kill, higher recharge translates directly to higher damage. That's not up for debate. PRO TIP -->> Powers with shorter casting time will benefit way more during short windows of build up procs This is a game changer for pylon testing My highest DPA attack is cast in only .97 seconds but recharges in only 2 seconds !! (compare that with 3.75 secs recharge and 1.67 secs casting time) My second DPA attack has only a 2 second casting time but it recharges in 4 seconds, compare that with 5.7 seconds recharge and 2.53 casting time) This is all with Gather Shadows on, again, with Gather shadows amplifying the dmg. Gathering shadows has a 10 second uptime and a 15 second downtime. Without Gather Shadows on for 15 seconds We have Smite. 272.6 Gloom 202.6 Midnight Grasp 199.2 Moonbeam 139.5 ________________________________________ ***PROCS *** The numbers above can be misleading because this isn't accounting for proc damage, which Dark Assault can do a whole lot of, perhaps more than energy and more than fire and this is a huge factor when doing pylon testing. Those things help to form the final result , which is Chain:Smite-Midnight Grasp-Gloom-Moon Beam (Gather Shadows-Sleet when up) Assualt Radial Embodiment (double dmg) 2:20 ~401.72dps 2:21 ~399.78dps Assault Core Embodiment (+dmg) 2:13 ~416.13dps 2:04 ~437.96dps These are BY NO MEANS mediocre dmg numbers when it comes to Pylon testing. People who have actually done pylon testing, we know, they know this is a fact. People who have never done this, done these tests over and over, their word or opinion are really not close to being in a position as those who have. Even the OP talked to me and admitted that his times were not even close, but it had been his first time doing this with Dark. As he learns, and he will learn the tricks and tactics , and learn the build and slotting, his time will improve Please give way to the experienced, to those have have actually done and achieved. I really am not trying to brag but I am still figuring out why someone with NO EXPERIENCE , no actual testing of their own doing this, will start to debate on the matter of dark assault specifically within Pylon Testing. If you have no first hand experience, nor have done before, why debate with people who have? Why don't you excuse yourself, and admit you have zero experience doing this, you have never done this, and leave those who have done it say wether or not Dark can do bad, or mediocre or good, in Pylon testing ? Is it pride? hubris? Go on and debate something you have actually done. But on matters about soloing AVs, Pylons, Soloing the ITF, clearing maps of Carnies and so on, these are things you have not done, zero first-hand experience. Those are not your areas. There are plenty of other matter in the forums you have first hand knowledge about. This one here, this is not one of them. Reminds me of the debate back in live server, on the forums, of Energy melee / Regen brutes vs Claws/Regen brute in PVP. How some people just LOVED coming to the forums with assumptions or these theories and info from Mids and talked about why an Energy Melee brute would beat a claws brute. Energy melee looked good and great in their eyes or in their minds, UNTIL actual testing. The person arguing that claws would beat was a person with plenty of experience and the person arguing about energy melee winning had never done this specific testing. There was some information that Mid was not providing in relation to the task at hand ---> Claws attacks recharge faster , and animations combined with recharge provide a whole new dimension of difference DPS calculators on Mid cannot give you the whole picture in a manner that actual practice can. Practical experience trumps theory, and always will. When those BU procs came on, claws was doing more attacks than energy melee, and when build up or follow up was up, claws always did more attacks. Energy melee brutes was behind to claws brutes when it was testing time. Reading Mids only is far from knowing what really goes on. Nothing in the game beats hands on experience, never did and never will Stop debating, please.

you claimed with no basis, no tests, no results, you claimed, in a thread about Pylon times, Dark assault vs pylon testing, you said that Dark assault is mediocre. Therefore, you, again are making claims, just like last time, on subject matters that you have 1) no experience doing this task , especially with this set 2) No results to base it on I only provided facts, test results , you know, data done via hands on research, NOT assumptions, to demonstrate that it is not mediocre at all. I already talked to the OP. His reaction was totally different than yours. He recognizes when someone presents him with actual test results, not assumptions.

I already did two videos and they are in the que waiting for me to edit them and upload them unto the channel Dark has everything you need to take down AVs. 500% regen debuff and with Power Boot, it's about 800%

Again, I don't believe many things peeps say I forums about this or that set and so on. I put things to the test, I seen things you claim before, and I don't think like you do. I believe in results. That's were you and I differ. I only believe in tests, results and evidence. Stuff I claim is backed by the results. I know common sense is not that common anymore, but that's another subject matter for another thread. Test results are conclusive, and Dark is not mediocre. The thread is about pylon times. Someone came here to claim dark will be mediocre but has no first hand experience at testing Dark to see if it is or not. You are the one claiming it is mediocre but you never ever tested it. Nor have you dont any pylon testing with your own set You see the pattern here? You come to the forums multiple times to make claims that you have no first hand experience nor have you ever done walk about the talk you make. Check out what you just said -- "For pylons using aoe powers is counter to how you want to build for to pass this "test". Why would you even take any primary powers that don't feed into your ST damage? Pylon tests, ha! What a metric." No one is claiming to take Dark because of Pylon times. You are making a straw man then beating it but no one state that they are taking Dark because of the pylon times. I am stating only the facts and the results, that Dark damage , in this topic of pylon testing, it is not mediocre. I have put Dark assault in other kinds of tests, tests which you are not even able to pass successfully or tests which you have never done yourself. The results are not mediocre either. So , are there any other evidence or facts on which you should base a claim that Dark is mediocre? Not yet. This is not your first time doing so, nor, I assume, will it be your last. I already seen where your talk lead you last time, and I expect nothing different this time. I still remember your claim (NOT MINE) about you being able to clear Carnies 3 times faster. You were dying 3 times faster was the correct to say it, we don't even need to touch on wether you can or cannot clear Carnies 3 times faster. Then when YOU FAIL your own test and challenge, you blame the other person of asking for that test as if that test or challenge was premeditated by the other person so they can beat you at it. Lunatic reasoning ?

Without a doubt, even more so after they made coloring possible

I don't believe more than half the stuff people claim on the forums. I believe in results I see, I believe in facts and evidence. Too many peeps come and make all kinds of claims and then faceplant when try to prove it. Or they make claims about things they are not even capable of doing themselves , so they have no first hand knowledge that comes from results or actual testing. Unlike others, I am not trying to claim anything that I can't back up or prove. Are there pylon testing results? To prove that Dark assault is mediocre? No, right? I have no doubt about fire since the very extremely fast animations are kings in this game, but I already seen pylon testing for fire. That's even more important. But people who have not done pylon testing or don't know about pylon times AND THEN come to the forums to make claims, they are the same kind of people who come to make claims that they can do X thing 3 times faster than another but then fail hardcore when it comes time to prove their claims. Conclusion - believe in results and evidence only, and don't believe people who don't have first hand knowledge of the subject matter. Follow the doers, not the theoreticians I do have pylon testing for Dark Animation times are a big deal, they matter a lot. When it comes to pylon testing Damage per animation is supreme and reigns above all others. That is why fire can't be touched. But Dark, for the exact reasons of animation time, does not place mediocre. It's proven to be good, better than mediocre. I let the facts speak, the test results speak , and results speak louder and clearer than people posting their opinions without actually testing.

Dark Miasma is truly a masterful power set. Radiation secondary is just very apt at destroying the Cimeroran's defense after the new patch.

Did you watch the video, my friend? Please indulge yourself , hero !

Dark's damage is not mediocre This statement is backed by a vast amounts of achievements and two different Pylon testing times The players who have actually done pylon testing and AV killing they know what I am talking about Let me present the hard facts so there's no confusion --> Dark assault has enough dmg to take down AVs , AND it has enough dmg to make good pylon times. More important than dmg when when it comes to soloing AVs, especially AVs that hit hard or are 53 or 54, more important is utility or survival. You do 0 DPS dead. This is where Dark outshines them all. The to hit debuffs stacking from the secondary, and if you have dark primary, that goes a longer way. This was a result posted in the pylon thread Oh, and it is important to point out before you read the rest of the data below , that *** This was just with the secondary. No primary power used like the pets. The instant snipe is amazing here. *** Dark Assault+Ice Mastery (Test Server with snipe changes) Degenerative Core Flawless Musculature Core Paragon Ageless Core Epiphany (for endurance) Perma Domination Chain:Smite-Midnight Grasp-Gloom-Moon Beam (Gather Shadows-Sleet when up) Assualt Radial Embodiment (double dmg) 2:20 ~401.72dps 2:21 ~399.78dps Assault Core Embodiment (+dmg) 2:13 ~416.13dps 2:04 ~437.96dps The +dmg Dominator proc was in Midnight Grasp. Pure +dmg Hyprid slot did work a little better then the double hit Sleet did have both (target aoe) -res procs in it *** additional info -- Pylon testing will not go well with Soul epic since drain on a single target is not much dmg buff. This all changes if you are surrounded by good a mob of a good size , since the dmg buff increases substantially. ***

Watch it and see just how powerful that blend is

All I have to say is let the pictures, the action, the results speak for themselves. Introducing the extremely powerful combination of DARK / Radiation / Soul -- my video presents examples of just how powerful this combination is, examples used to learn the tactics, the present the powerful instruments Dark has and providing evidence of how using those instruments you can play safely, relatively easy, and do extremely hard content.

Using a 4-man all defender team, doing a Master ITF run, with ZERO incarnates, NO inspirations, no temps, this video is mostly a guide on the strengths, the uses, and tactics for challenging or any other content in the game. I present tactics, strategies, and uses of this extremely powerful combination. There are not that many Dark defenders around, but the few, the proud... WE KNOW the titans we wield to confront extreme challenges. The whole ITF is NOT covered, only some of part 1 and all of part 2, part 2 being the most deadly and difficult of all the parts of the ITF. We were a team of 4 doing this and we went all the way to the end.

No one but EV was below 50. We all got exempted down to 44. The main reasons are 1) no incarnates 2) enemies have great chances to spawn at higher than +4 , and some are guaranteed at +6

Everyone is playing at Lvl 44 Defenders , if they nearby they can Rez, if they happen to be near you. Like I explained in the video, @EV is the anchor for the 44.

Water/Storm Corruptor That's a lethal combo with enormous AoEs, when it coms to AoEs, this combo is a colossus. THen at the other extreme, you have Beam Rifle , who competes for the number one spot for ST dmg given the secondary effects of Beam Rifle. Beam Rifle with Time mixes well

Incarnates are all disabled, temps are disabled, and the rules are 1. If you die during any mission, you stay dead. 2. If the team wipes out, the team is disbanded and the TF is over. 3. Rezing via a lvl up is all right. This challenge is brutal, very fun, the adrenaline rush is there. I play the Ice/Storm here.

I use hurricane and I know how to use it. For the OP -- check it out. Water/Storm in full action. It's an amazing combo

I do those on both servers Hit me up if interested @voltak

I was on my Fire/Kinetics Corruptor - Fulcrum Fogosa An attempt at Master of ITF run, which is a Brutal challenge to complete this, and it's especially hard to do it with zero deaths. No inspirations, and temp powers are disabled.

My defender in the Lvl 44 Team I posted the above (video) is a Sonic/Sonic He is a tank with way less HPs than a tank but still a tank in that ITF. Helping to cap the resists of others is also making them tanks A sonic / sonic can bring enemies resists to the floor I don't think there is any AT as powerful as the Defender and Sonic/Sonic is a combo that is rare to see in the game. Yes, some people use it, but it is rare

A picture is worth....

Dark / For Doms (primary) is also a top performer and is able to do some amazing feats. You have all the typical control powers (except a sleep and a knockdown like earthquake or ice slick) So you have an huge AoE stun A huge area Fear The best AoE hold in the game 3 pets Possess, which is the same as confuse , but it has the best special effects in the game for such a power. A good hold All powers above do some great to hit debuffs which stack and stack Blends well and is augmented with Dark secondary for more to hit debuffs and a great heal that you can have recharged in about 2 seconds

I never said it is impossible To hit them That's not the truth The truth is they are harder to hit now. More difficulty and only more difficult to do so That's the challenge

THis here. Like also the same NOVA person I said earlier, I asked him on his adventures with the new ITF changes. He said he changed his tactics. He started to work from the outside instead of what he was doing before. What he was doing before is start inside in the middle of the pack. That's the wrong way to do it now because you are trying to hit them at the strongest point. The weakest point are the critters on the outside of the group. He saw the new challenge and found a way to accomplish the mission. Done.