shortguy on indom

VERILY APOLOGIZE TO ALL IF MY RESPONSE WAS TAKEN AS CONDESCENDING. IMHO NONE OF THE RESPONSES ADDRESSED THE OP ASK. INCLUDING MINE. I LIKE TO VALIDATE W/TESTING, SINCE I AM NOT A MM PLAYER I CANNOT REPLICATE THE ISSUES AT HAND. "HARD SAYING NOT KNOWING." - QUOTE FROM A CO-WORKER.

SO, I AM NOT A MM EXPERT. NOT MY CUP OF TEA. WAS THINKING IF THERE WAS A WAY TO SEE HOW MMs HANG IN SURVIVING COMPARED TO OTHER ATs?...WAS ABOUT TO SEE ABOUT MAKING A SIMPLE TOOL, BUT DID A FORUM SEARCH AND FOUND THIS POST/GUIDE: The Survivability Tool - Guides - Homecoming BY BOPPER LINK DIRECTLY TO TOOL WOULD NOT WORK FOR ME... BUT WORKAROUND IS THIS DIRECT LINK TO THE TOOL ITSELF: Survivability v3.0 - Google Sheets HAVE NOT PERSONALLY TRIED/VALIDATED THE TOOL AND AM NOT AFFILIATED W/IT. WILL BE DOING SOME CONTROLLED TESTING W/IT IN A CONTROLLED SETTING TO SEE IF IT WORKS FOR ME. tYPICAL IMMORTAL BADGE KINDA STUFF TO SEE MY MAX DPS TAKEN LINE UP W/THE TOOL. CURIOUS WHAT OTHER ATs HAVE WITH SURVIVABILITY AS WELL. I HATE REWARD-CREEP; POWER-CREEP; AND GENERAL MIS-INFO BASED ON OPINION W/OUT ACTUAL "A MILE IN MY SHOES" FLUIDITY. PEACE.

@LBD... ITS A DRAG SOME ATs LIKE URs AND MINE CAN BARELY HANG WITH THE PROGRAM ON DIFF CONTENT. PLAYED W/YA W/A COMMON 4* FRIEND, SO KNOW THAT U CAN PLAY, SO ITS NOT THE PLAYSTYLE @ISSUE. SOMETIMES IT IS THE AT THAT IS THE PROB. PEACE.

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IS THIS STILL AN ONGOING ISSUE?..

DID NOT USE THAT GRAPH YOU POSTED FOR ANYTHING. THAT GRAPH HAS PROBABLY CAUSED MORE CONFUSION THAN GOOD.

CAN YOU DIG IT?... OR GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE PRE-ED AND DEFINE IF SCHEDULE A OR B, WILL EITHER WORK OUT W/YOU VIA MESSAGING OR HERE IN THIS THREAD IF IT WILL HELP. LMK.

SOURCE IS THE MATH ITSELF. HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHERE AND ALSO HOW TO CALCULATE (STEP BY PAINFUL STEP IF NEED BE) IT IF IT WILL HELP STOP PROMOTING THIS POWERCREEP ESPECIALLY IN SCHEDULE A ENHANCEMENTS. WHY IS THIS BAIT AND SWITCH GOING ON IN THIS THREAD ANYWAY. JUST A CLICK TO START UR OWN REGARDING THIS. WILL KEEP CALLING YAS OUT ON THIS MISINFO AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO STOP PROMOTING POWERCREEP. TRY PARAGON WIKI INCARNATE ALPHA ABILITIES... SCROLL DOWN TO EXAMPLES. LINK HERE: Alpha Slot Abilities - Paragon Wiki Archive

ASKING ME FOR A LINK TO THE MATH? WIKI: ED. WIKI: INCARNATE ALPHA ABLITIES EXAMPLES.

LOOK AGAIN. MINE SHOWWHAT THAT WEIRD AXIS GRAPH YOU HAVE SHOWN, BUT ON A DIFFERENT SCALE, MINE SEPARATE GRAPHS FOR SCHED A AND SCHED B. MINE ARE ALSO ADDING THE RESULTS OF PRE-ED AND POST-ED INCARNATE CALC RESULTS AS WELL TO SHOW THESE FINAL % VALUES. THIS IS THE POINT BEING MISSED HERE.

COMPARED TO WHAT? WHAT WAS STATED ABOUT ED DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR INCARNATES AT ALL, THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THE POINT IS BEING MISSED. IF ITS NOT POWER CREEP, PROVE A SCHEDULE A WITH A PURP SET (WHICH ARE BOUGHT/USED) AT LVL 50 WITH INCARNATES IS NOT WHAT I HAVE SHOWN ABOVE.

NOT HELPING WITH THE POWER CREEP BANDWAGON. LOOKS LIKE ITS COVERED.

RESISTANCE AND DEFENSE ARE ON THE OTHER HAND SCHEDULE B ENHANCEMENTS. EVERYTHING ON SCHEDULE B HAS BEEN NERFED ALREADY. SCHEDULE B ENHANCEMENTS DO NOT GET BOOSTED BY INCARNATES ANYWHERE CLOSE TO SCHEDULE A ENHANCEMENTS. SEE HERE. EVERYTHING ELSE BAIT AND SWITCH. THERE IS NO COMPARING THESE SCHEDULE A VS SCHEDULE B ENHANCEMENTS AS BEING EQUAL IN ANY WAY. ADVOCATING FOR THE FEAR/TAUNT PURPLES IS POWER-CREEP WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT. ______________________ INSERT CATCHY VID CLIP HERE.

TAUNT/THREAT/FEAR ARE SCHEDULE A ENHANCEMENTS. AS SUCH WHEN AN INCARNATE ABILITY IS CHOSEN THAT AMPLIFIES THEM... THEY GET SUPER-AMPLIFIED. SEE HERE.

I CANNOT NOT ENDORSE POWERCREEP BEING ADVOCATED ON THIS THREAD REGARDING THREAT/FEAR. GIVING TOONS THE ABILITY THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST MULTIPLIERS FOR THESE POWERS IN THE GAME PURPLE SETS IS NOT A GOOD THING IMHO. THEY JUST DON'T SEE IT AS SUCH... EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS A RES/DEF THREAD WHICH HAD ZERO TO DO W/THIS.

SINCE NUMBERS ARE BEING INSERTED INTO THIS DISCUSSION... I TEND TO DISAGREE WITH THIS UNDERLINED ASSUMPTION. THE ALPHA POST-ED CAP IS 83%.... AND THIS EXTRA DEF/RES (SCHEDULE B ENHANCEMENTS) CAN MOST DEFINITELY BE USED AT LVL 45+ PLAY IF THE TOON HAS CHOSEN A ALPHA RES/DEF BOOSTING INCARNATE POWER. FOR LVL 45 MINUS PLAY WOULD TEND TO AGREE W/ABOVE.

POOL IDEA SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN!

THIS HELPED ME SOME WITH THAT VERY ISSUE ON MY END: https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

SOMEHOW GOONS HAVE NOT BEEN MENTIONED.... 6IwosrSdK55YzClCsXd3LFarkxl4MPpS2yvMSMW8-CI.mp4

Webmaxx3 it's up to you to bring this one home at this point. i have lost whatever the points are in this thread and am bowing out of this one.

NOT SURE WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH THIS... BUT THE ADVANTAGE AND BENEFIT IN THIS CASE OF MAKING FEAR/THREAT PVP SETS VS PURPLES IS THAT IN PVE THEY WILL NOT BE OP RIGHT? I REALLY DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE AT ALL WITH ANY OF THIS, SINCE ORIGINAL THREAD WAS ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. MAYBE START ANOTHER THREAD WITH THESE OPINIONS?

AGREE TOTALLY. FEAR IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FINEST DEFENSES FOR TOONS WHICH DO NOT HAVE ANY ARMOR AND LIKE TO MIX IT UP IN MELEE. FEAR NEGATES THE INITIAL DAMAGE SPIKE AFTER ABOUT 5 SECONDS. THE NO ATTACKS AND IMMOBILIZE WHICH FEAR DOES IS ALREADY NUTS. ADDING MORE ACC TO FEAR IS JUST MAKING IT EVEN MORE OP.

IMHO: FEAR IS ALREADY WAY OVERPOWERED AS IS. ADDITIONAL RES/DEF SETS FOR TOONS WHICH CAP AT 75% IS NOT OP. JUST MORE CHOICES. UNSURE HOW ANY OF THIS PART OF DISCUSSION IS RELATED THOUGH TO THE ORIGINAL OP. LOTSA OPs.

PLENTY OF PREVIOUS THREADS TO DISCUSS FEAR AND THREAT OUT THERE ALREADY. THOUGHT THIS WAS ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE?

APPLYING SIMILAR LOGIC, WOULD SUPPORT FEAR AND THREAT SETS HAVING A PVP COMPONENT, BUT NO NEED FOR A PURPLE SINCE THEY ALREADY SUPPORT HAMIOS.