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I don't mind it so long as it isn't adversely impacting the rest of the team. I completely understand why people do it, especially after reading through the thread on Fold Space etiquette. It seems like some can't grasp that others like fighting stuff, so grouping up in a big ball and nuking mobs isn't really fun for them. I totally get why people want to go off on their own.

What's any of this have to do with The Thunderbolts*? A GM gave you your answer, and just as @Luminara said, the original is still available for anyone to see.

If that's what works for you and you have fun playing that way, more power to you. Everyone standing around teleporting mobs into a circle to just AoE/nuke them sounds incredibly boring to me.

Yeah, it's the player, but the GMs can't be everywhere. From the sound of it, it doesn't seem like changing the CoC is going to do much either. I'm inclined to agree I think it might be time to look at how Fold Space is being abused by the select few and make some changes. Ok sure! Let's all AFK the events and not bother playing at all! 😂 They're definitely out there. We see it every week on the SNS over on Torchbearer. Tanks that can't hold aggro to save their lives trying to corral Babbages.

Those comments sum things up rather nicely. Fold Space itself isn't the problem, it's people using it badly and/or not communicating that they're using it that is the problem. My take is I don't think it's necessary on ToT Leagues for the exact reasons already covered in this thread. I've seen it a few times myself where players in a League are using it and other players ask them to stop. Most of the time they're nice about it and stop using Fold Space since it really isn't necessary with a full league pounding stuff. There are a few people though who I thought were just complete assholes about it and they got added to my ignore list for how rude they were to others. This part is the important piece I think - Think of it like being on a playground playing with your toys and someone else steals them from you or you're out at a restaurant about to dig into your meal and someone comes and takes your plate away. You often see people complaining about others venturing off on their own when on a team to fight mobs ahead of where the main group is. This is why people do that. They want to have fun fighting stuff. If others are going to take that enjoyment away from them, purposefully or not, it's taking the fun away from others. Best thing is to be courteous to others. ToTing really doesn't need a "murder box" where mobs from all around need to be teleported to. There's enough people on the leagues to kill stuff quickly and efficiently. One thing to keep in mind, there's a reason powers like Group Fly and Teleporting have prompts and/or Null to disable their use on you.

No, it really isn't a thing. This server will go merrily on whether any of us are here or not. HC is not a commercial business and isn't reliant upon a paying customer base to keep the lights on. Were all of us to disappear tomorrow and donations dry up, HC could go back to running a single server for them and their friends and family just as they did before. I'm not saying that to be critical of them or anything, it's just a simple fact. Oh come on. "Coordinating instructions"?? Have you actually joined any of the regularly formed leagues like the SNS over on Torch or MSRs and such on Excel and Everlasting? These "instructions" are keybinds and macros that were made ages ago. If you want to claim that pushing a key is "hard work", feel free but its a gross exaggeration. My time is tangible to me. I didn't have to stand around wasting my time waiting for someone else to do it. This exactly. You'd be surprised how many people leading ToT leagues are complaining about how the League management tools work.

I gave the first two episodes a try and to be honest, I fell asleep I was so bored.

Best reason for why this idea isn't needed! Well put.

That's a good point.

What exactly is the hardship in this "extra effort" that was put in? Chatting in LFG and inviting people? Again, the reward is you as the team leader got to run the content you wanted to run when you wanted to. You didn't have to stand around waiting for someone else to start it. If I need a Citadel TF to complete my TF Commander accolade and I don't feel like waiting around, I'll form a team and run it and get it over with when I want to. That's the tangible reward to me. You keep repeating this and it's not going to make it true no matter how many times you repeat it. You are getting something tangible for leading a team already.

Correct. You don't know and you'll never know. There can be any number of reasons why someone would give a 1 star rating. You're assuming the current system is somehow broken or inadequate. It isn't. There's nothing wrong with the system we have now. Forming and leading teams already have tangible rewards that many have already addressed in the threads on this topic. People who like leading teams can do so and get the rewards for leading them. They're awarded XP, inf, merits and/or special salvage from completing the content, not to mention badges. As many have already explained in these threads, the reward is getting to run the content you want when you want and not having to wait around for someone else to start it. Team leads currently do get something though. You don't seem to want to acknowledge that. Since what you're suggesting could be easily gamed and/or used to grief others, a major downside is that it's wasted a lot of volunteer development time on an overly complicated system. Rating systems are highly subjective. As you yourself pointed out earlier, you don't know what other people are thinking. Maybe someone didn't like the way the team lead played or led the TF. Maybe they didn't like the team leads color scheme on their costume. Maybe someone didn't like something a team lead said or didn't say. Or yes, people can just be complete dicks and 1 star everyone because they can. No we shouldn't.

What happens when a player successfully leads a team through a TF and the rest of the team decides to be jerks and 1 star the leader just because they can? Like others have already and continue to point out in these threads, this stuff is easily gamed and can easily be used to grief others.

I think the idea of showing some appreciation toward people who lead teams is a nice idea, but I don't see this as necessary for a couple of reasons. First, it's sort of assuming that everyone who forms and leads a team does so competently and in a friendly, sociable way. I don't think people who don't know how to lead teams or leagues should get rewarded for incompetence. I'd also hate to see this lead to people fighting over who's team they should join because others are looking for more rewards for themselves by sticking it to others trying to lead teams. Second, there's already badges anyone can earn by side kicking lower level people, so there's already some incentives there for leading teams. Lastly, if people really want to thank their team leader, they can always gift them some inf or recipe drop or whatever if they really feel the need to. Beyond that, a simple "thank you!" goes a long way.

I had one on live and really enjoyed playing it. I just haven't gotten around to remaking all of my characters from back in the day yet. 😁 Sword and board was always a strong combo.

I don't think that Broadsword is all that bad. I had a SD/BS Tank on live that was really quite fun to play and tough as anything. I think what makes it seem weak is because it's damage is so heavily resisted by just about everything. Now I want to roll a SD/BS tank 😂

This would be a truly stellar way to absolutely kill the game, especially the early levels where they're needed most. No thank you to this bad idea.

Well, yeah. "The team lead disagreed with me and them kicking me was an immoral act". The team lead disagreed with you, and you called them kicking you immoral. You think people who disagree with you are immoral. Fairly straightforward. But you go right ahead and try and backpedal some more. That much is crystal clear. It's even more abundantly clear why people wanted an option to turn off group fly affecting them in the first place. Some people just gotta be narcissists about it.

Sure. Here you go. "If I wasn't a casual gamer with limited time that would be more feasible.... but seeing as how the devs have already provided a solution, would it not morally fall on the other players who don't want it to deal with it? " That's you inferring that others are "morally wrong" for not using Null. That's you inferring you're morally right simply because Null exists. Your subsequent replies in the thread provide further insight into your belief that you're in the right. Several people called you out on that, not just one or two people. Come on man, you know better. If you're playing alone, you're soloing. If you're on a team with others - whether that's one person or a full team or a full league - you're teaming. It stops becoming all about you once you join a team. The team leads patience probably wore out by that time. Regardless, you didn't follow a very simple request from a team leader and you go booted. Again, if you are teaming with 1 other person, you're on a team. Only one person on the team has the star and that's the team lead, so its their call. Now you know it can be an issue, so perhaps mention it before starting a TF next time.

This is my experience as well. The one or two that are dicks are enormous dicks though lol. For the most part, if you ask another player to leave you be they will more often than not leave you alone. I've had a couple of occasions where they actually helped with pill boxes and such for badges.

There's nothing flawed about it. We can all read what you wrote in the other thread. You were being a narcissist and suggesting others were "morally wrong" for not agreeing with you. There's a huge difference between not using group fly - which you admit to not using all the time and thereby not needing - and leeching. I think you know that. What you're still failing to acknowledge is that teaming is different than soloing. Teaming is a social activity you do with others, so your fun is superseded by the fun of everyone in the group, not the other way around. Most people are social animals and understand they will need to change their game play in a team environment versus soloing. Yes it does. Not everyone will even know about Null. Whether you like it or not or want to admit it or not, you were partly to blame for what transpired on that TF. Why do you keep ignoring that it wasn't your team? The team leader made a request which you refused, so they booted you which they were well within their rights to do. A GM even confirmed that for you in your thread. Look, this isn't rocket science here. You created a rant thread about getting booted from a team because you refused to turn off group fly. It's not a huge leap to figure out what happened. You were using group fly, the team leader got annoyed with it and asked you to turn it off and you didn't, so you were booted. I think it's reasonable to infer based on your replies in these threads, you weren't the nicest person in your response to that team lead, so that was more than likely why you got kicked. Use that as a learning opportunity and inform other players on a team ahead of time that you like to use group fly and if they don't want to be affected by it, go visit Null before you start your TF. Maybe try a different approach here and turn your experience into something positive instead of using it as an opportunity to rant and bash the team lead for booting you? Your thread could have been about your experience and suggesting ways to improve group fly or make it so it doesn't adversely affect other players unless they want to so others don't have to have your bad experience. That's what these other threads are trying to do.

It's on by default so that it affects pets, which is intended for Group Fly. Turning it off by default and making Null turn it on defeats that purpose.

It's not accommodating laziness, it's about being sociable and courteous to others. As many have pointed out here, not everyone knows about the Null option. Did you let anyone know you will be using GF during the TF before you started? Of course not. Everyone has to accommodate you so you can see your bots with jet boots. Why do you consistently gloss over the fact that your obliging of a simple request to turn off a power that adversely impacts others solves everyone's problem? Narcissism isn't a defense. Your reason is "I like rocket boots!" or that your bots will die quicker. So what? Re-summon them. None of that matters though. The team leader felt it was disruptive and asked you to turn it off. You didn't and they booted you. I don't care whether you take me seriously or not. A person doesn't need thousands of hours of teaming experience to know that playing on a team is different than playing solo. There's others to be considerate of, and a power like GF can have an adverse affect on others on a team. What difference does it make whether they asked you at the beginning of the TF or on the second mission or at the very end? You're (again) admitting you can work without it. That too. They're the one who formed the team and are leading the TF. It's their team, their rules. If you don't like it, leave and form your own team. Says the narcissist who hasn't listened to any of the feedback, suggestions or criticisms offered by other players responding here. You'd rather be told you're right.

Not to mention being "forced" (ie asked) to turn off GF means they're being cyber bullied and a victim. Win win for the narcissists! 🤣

How could they claim to be a victim if they did that? 🤣

This is the correct, sociable, non-narcissistic thing to do. You're doing the right thing by communicating ahead of time and allowing others to make an informed decision.