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Here is a build from petless mastermind thread. Just remove the attack powers and add the pets.. You want to get range defense cap via set bonuses and midway with Melee & AOE. You will use Hurricane -to Hit debuff to get you the rest of the way for Melee and AOE. The next thing you will need to work on getting Recharge up as much as you can to get up at least 2 steady streams of Lightening Storms up. Between Lightening Storm and your pets you will clearing out the mobs. Though Hurricane is NOT a Team Friendly Power. If you were on a team with me and you wanted to herd mobs into a corner and hold them there I would TOTALLY understand and let you do it. But MANY other players just want to run in and steamroll, AV fights. Bank Jobs with AVs or EB, Bad pulls. Hurricane is a good protector for those with a clue. But again MANY players don't. Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.962 http://www.cohplanner.com/ Level 50 Science Mastermind Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning Secondary Power Set: Storm Summoning Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Sorcery Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Villain Profile: ------------ Level 1: Corruption SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg:50(3), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(3), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(5), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(5), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc:50(7) Level 1: Gale FrcFdb-Rechg%:50(A) Level 2: Lash Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx:50(7), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11), Mk'Bit-Dam%:50(11) Level 4: O2 Boost Mrc-Rcvry+:40(A), Mrc-Heal:40(21) Level 6: Enchant Demon RechRdx-I:50(A) Level 8: Crack Whip SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx:50(13), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(13), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(15), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(15), SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc:50(17) Level 10: Snow Storm PcnoftheT-Acc/Slow:50(A), PcnoftheT-Dmg/Slow:50(34), PcnoftheT-Acc/EndRdx:50(36), PcnoftheT-Rng/Slow:50(36), PcnoftheT-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow:50(36), PcnoftheT--Rchg%:50(37) Level 12: Hasten RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(46) Level 14: Steamy Mist RedFrt-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg:50(23), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(25), RedFrt-Def:50(25), RedFrt-EndRdx:50(27) Level 16: Freezing Rain AchHee-ResDeb%:20(A) Level 18: Maneuvers LucoftheG-Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(19), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(19) Level 20: Hurricane DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb:50(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg:50(29), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx:50(29), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx:50(33) Level 22: Super Speed Clr-Stlth:50(A) Level 24: Tactics GssSynFr--ToHit:50(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg:50(31), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(31), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx:50(31), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx:50(33), GssSynFr--Build%:50(33) Level 26: Summon Demon Prince BldMnd-Acc/Dmg:50(A), BldMnd-Dmg/EndRdx:50(37), BldMnd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(37), BldMnd-Acc/EndRdx:50(40), BldMnd-Acc:50(43), BldMnd-Dmg:50(27) Level 28: Thunder Clap Stp-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun:50(34), Stp-Acc/EndRdx:50(34), Stp-Stun/Rng:50(45), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg:50(50), Stp-KB%:50(50) Level 30: Mystic Flight BlsoftheZ-Travel:50(A), BlsoftheZ-ResKB:50(45), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx:50(45) Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment RechRdx-I:50(A) Level 35: Tornado OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg:50(A), OvrFrc-End/Rech:50(46), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End:50(46), OvrFrc-Dmg/End/Rech:50(48), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech:50(48), OvrFrc-Dam/KB:50(50) Level 38: Lightning Storm Thn-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(39), Thn-Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(40), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40) Level 41: Arcane Bolt WntBit-Acc/Dmg:50(A), WntBit-Dmg/Rchg:50(42), WntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(42), WntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(42), WntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(43), WntBit-Rchg/SlowProc:50(43) Level 44: Rune of Protection RechRdx-I:50(A) Level 47: Dark Embrace GldArm-3defTpProc:50(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(48) Level 49: Soul Tentacles GrvAnc-Hold%:50(A) | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1472;670;1340;HEX;| |78DA65D4594F13511407F03BED54A4143AA520BBC826083852F55913C5180C24245| |55F49532E30DACED469ABF0A4B87C014CD4B881C8AA824B14D027F91A8ADBAB0BF8| |0DF030FF23349949DBDFCC997BEE3DF7DEE9F40C7706164F8F1E178A7632114BA7F| |B7A62E98CB49386D99F178D1BD28C4BAFA0238FBE753BF7FAA2D964D232F54E49BF| |7C619883B5392D4E640706F468C6B2933BF7435DE690B4A599D1FF9FF87B2D2BA14| |75352F6079DD36E19EB97767AC8480570CBB2E3D21E29762ECECA844C5976269631| |2CB3FA54CA88EBB93559D904D73F524EF536D2F79E26F8D8F489395588882A3CF3E| |C33A83E675FC05D0B304508C5C915E296C789DDD73844FD290302ED07E1EE21D680| |FE0BEC457889FAF3A23FC57B864E9A5551D2051F50BF3EF42B7C6D68FF50C3BA6F8| |D95F7163505DEB14BB068995D81DA7B6813F99C9BBFA038B1BA45D8F0927DC5BE86| |8D6F603D0D5AC07516702D07D934F55B887BBE423FDAEF296003B0BC902D8295419| |8A1DC20CF31B84AEB19564588C60AA13F4FA814ED8A4B580D66292F8C3C6F7809FB| |50BDCCAEC07D1F6003F557CA7B569A8F589862655C73D914627BA7D9197696FB996| |3E7E138ED4105AF63C54FAC41E32FF60F6CFE0D5BD761E506BC4C7557716ED555DE| |836BEC286CBF0E2337D89BF076931035C8F5D47C422DED6BEC673841B5D5F27AD6F| |2FE5CA131EB79CCFA352FF6EE0BFB151EFAC67E87911F7098729B38B7E911FADBFF| |981D672778CE4FD8493846892D9CDB328967F0C053768A9D86AD33EC2CBC43B96D3| |C8F369EC7472A49E767503FCCF56E6D628D2A56E9B283DB779CE3E740DDFE9FD387| |0ED1EA8A74B8221157E4882B72D415E976457A76229BBDEAF61B4228CEDD0DFFF67| |B4411E7B1BF25C73097757FCE3BC669FD37B7F55DCC4E1B837F5CADFF01968C004A| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

@ Darkir Okay after playing around with this build, I just do not see anything dramatic I could change. Unless someone comes across with a better build. Which Yes I know we can add some purple IO sets in here to be better. I can see that adding Armageddon into Soul Drain and adding Ragnarok to one of the attacks for example But again as I mentioned I am running 3/8 very smoothly. How much more do you want ? So for that I bow to your Mid Skills and I am glad I learned a few things from your build. I am saying beyond adding more purple to it I do not think defense cap wise with both Range and Melee and Perma Hasten you can do better. This build without a doubt should be the go to build for anyone looking to Dual Pistol / Kin My only wish would be to keep inertial reduction and drop increase density. Team has enough buffs and I use Inertial reduction. But again this is game of Mids and CoX..

I will add I am not crazy about Mako bite and how it needed to be slotted. BUT I also get sometimes you just need to do that. Plus I agree there are ENOUGH attacks I didn't need pistol.

Great Job.. No complaints ATM. I will tell you for some reason with my current build I am at 45 at Range Defense cap. I am guess incarnate powers. I am gonna go over your build but much better I think then what I have and I am doing 3/8 on the steady.

Looking to make a small girl similar to League of Legends Annie But all I am coming up with is a 4 foot angry woman.

For some reason I don't see a post I thought I posted. Must have messed up or gotten lost. It kills me as I went through a personal break down on the secondaries with Whips and sort of went through the primaries as well. Nutshell many of the Primary attack powers were added into the game. Ninja attacks is Archery, Undead is Dark, Thug is Dual Pistol, Mercs is Assault Rifle. I don't see ANY value in making a petless mastermind based on these Primary power sets. I just think you are really asking for trouble game wise and debate wise. Beast, Demons and maybe Robots seem to be the only unique ATM. A Few reminders These attacks are SHORT RANGED and very Endurance heavy. Not all builds and sets are conducive to obtain any viable defense caps. EG you're range defense capped but you need to get into melee range to use your whip attacks. So you surviving coming in and die when your in range. Secondary wise. Again personal comment incoming here. You need some way to defense cap. Again I just think unless you get an understanding team, having someone catch on to whats going on can just give you grief. I consider it walking into a room and someone yelling at you that you are a racist, but not expanding on it. You then in turn have to defend yourself against some phantom perceived comments. I think being able to say hey dude ( or dudette ) I am defense capped and can outlast you against a group of mobs usually will shut people up. Because you can prove it right then and there. Again Defense cap really does change this game. Defense cap changes your SOLO mission settings from 0/1 to 4/8. So that being said. Traps - Super easy to get defense cap and GREAT set. Detonator and blowing up a pet actually sounds like fun. Storm - Downfall Hurricane. Hurricane is great to heard mobs but if you get too close to a corner with mobs they will spin off the edge of the Hurricane and get away from you. No team will wait for you to heard mobs into a corner. No team gives a Shte, they just want to steam roll stuff and you are wasting their time with having Hurricane scatter mobs all over the place. But solo and against AV bosses its great. I have a new build for the Whip Storm and basically I am proc'ing to get Lighting Storm up as much as possible on full procs I will be able to have 3 Lighting Storms up. But Hurricane is what is giving your melee defense cap. Again its more solo or in the back of the team mobs running around power to tag mobs for the +recharge proc. Or Massive pull and all Shte broke loose. Like Trip Mine is to Traps, Lighting Storm is to Storm and it works well. 2 steady Lighten Storms is good enough to kill off a bunch of mobs and 3 on rare occasion is even better. Dark - Unfortunately you will get hit when applying the hit debuff anchor and it will NOT be hit debuffed as there is a delay. So you could potentially die trying to apply the debuff that will save you. I think its just too risky for this type of build I don't think you can get the defense numbers you need either from IO sets. Again anything Dark and NOT WHIPS will do better. No one will honor or care or give a Shte about your Anchor. Trick Arrow - Lighting up Oil Slick will be your main go to, though its great. The recharge is long. Just not as reliable as Trip Mine or Lighten Storm Pain Domination - This is a different animal with Debuffs and Regeneration. So your not going for defense cap but going for a massive amount of Regeneration to be constantly healed. I can speak from experience on this set and was able to solo a Pylon with my Demon Pain Petless Mastermind. We can go down the line but overall these sets need to provide YOU something as much as they provide the team. My mindset is ARMY of ONE. If I can solo X/8 with my Petless mastermind then I have already proved the value. If a set is just providing buffs to others and not you It just becomes that extra difficult. Sets like Traps and Storm has a Damage component. Force Field doesn't .

This is a build I was working on. Originally I had the build set up for Melee Defense cap or close to it with 34% Melee and 16% Range, AOE doesn't really matter because the game checks your BEST score. So Ranged AOE and PBAOE will also go against Ranged or Melee respectively. What I quickly came to discover was yes in a group setting I was okay. But if I decided to pull aggro ( accidentally or being over zealous and attacking first out of the group ) I would either go flat from my Range defenses or Mobs running away from Melee would then open up with an attack from Range before running back. Again this would cause some issues because of the lack of Range Defense now combine in the whole luck streak I would get hits coming in from Melee and Range. Again I am more fighting to survive and regroup then clearing out mobs off the map. Hail of Bullets is your go to power and its your big hit followed up by Bullet Rain. This is key -> Hail of Bullets also adds about 11% to all positional Defense Caps. So this brings your Range into the 50s and just about caps off your Melee Defense. <- This is key I will post the data chunk of my first build and the layout of my second build. I will simply say I removed the dark powers though I thought they were good. But I just felt it was over kill. If I could keep the Range defense Cap AND the Dark Powers I would consider it. The best I could do is 40% or 41% in Range with Dark powers. Game Play You basically run into the crowd with super speed and the assistance of the Stealth IO and Fulcrum Shift and Hail of Bullets which will put you at close to Melee Defense cap. Incarnates bump this up very well. I can do 4/8 but I need to be on top of it, no slacking off. The best setting is 3/8 and its a really smooth ride. You follow up with Siphon Speed to get the recharge on your Hail of bullets increased. Bullet Rain for another AOE. Then Siphon Power and pick off runners and cone attacks. After the first group you want to have Siphon Speed to carry over to the next group to keep your Hail of Bullets at top recharge. If someone has a better idea without killing the numbers I would be happy to hear them. I have some incarnates but as of this posting I don't know what they are. I will clean this up with some real wording on the powers instead of being so vague, just being lazy. But have the defense bubble that dissipates over time and the Fire attack and the warworks pets ( Victoria and the drone ). I just looked for what would help my defenses and recharge. 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Damage/Recharge: Level 30 (13) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 30 (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 30 (23) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50 (15) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance: Level 50 (36) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 30 Level 1: Transfusion (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 50 (25) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 50 (39) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (39) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 50 (43) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 Level 2: Dual Wield (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50 (17) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance: Level 50 (17) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (13) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (19) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50 (37) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 Level 4: Empty Clips (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50 (5) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance: Level 50 (5) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (7) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range: Level 50 (7) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50 (42) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50 Level 6: Swap Ammo Level 8: Bullet Rain (A) Overwhelming Force - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50 (9) Overwhelming Force - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (9) Overwhelming Force - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50 (11) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Chance for Knockdown/Knockback to Knockdown: Level 50 (11) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (37) Overwhelming Force - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 Level 10: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50 Level 12: Siphon Power (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50 Level 14: Super Speed (A) Celerity - +Stealth: Level 50 Level 16: Maneuvers (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance: Level 50 (25) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge: Level 50 (31) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (34) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (36) Red Fortune - Defense: Level 50 (36) Red Fortune - Endurance: Level 50 Level 18: Executioner's Shot (A) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50 (19) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (21) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (21) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (23) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (45) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Recharge/Chance for Negative Energy Damage: Level 50 Level 20: Siphon Speed (A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow: Level 50 (40) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow: Level 50 (40) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance: Level 50 (40) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow: Level 50 (37) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow: Level 50 (39) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge: Level 50 Level 22: Increase Density (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50 Level 24: Speed Boost (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50 Level 26: Piercing Rounds (A) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance: Level 50 (27) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50 (27) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (29) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range: Level 50 (29) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50 Level 28: Inertial Reduction (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50 Level 30: Combat Jumping (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance: Level 50 (31) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge: Level 50 (31) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (48) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (50) Red Fortune - Defense: Level 50 (50) Red Fortune - Endurance: Level 50 Level 32: Hail of Bullets (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50 (33) Obliteration - Damage: Level 50 (33) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50 (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50 (34) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge: Level 50 (34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50 Level 35: Kick (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50 Level 38: Fulcrum Shift (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50 Level 41: Tactics (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff: Level 50 (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge: Level 50 (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance: Level 50 (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance: Level 50 (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance: Level 50 (50) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up: Level 50 Level 44: Tough (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All): Level 50 (45) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30 (45) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance: Level 50 (46) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance: Level 50 (46) Unbreakable Guard - Endurance/RechargeTime: Level 50 (46) Unbreakable Guard - RechargeTime/Resistance: Level 50 Level 47: Weave (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50 (48) Luck of the Gambler - 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Robot Traps but has to be linear map. EG not the moon base comic con map.

No they are out there. It's not some fantasy in my head. Just bring up the topic in help and you will hear the words. I already been part of the public discussion about masterminds once in game. At my age I have zero reason to make anything up. I don't need forum muscles.

I have a few builds from the old forums I will pull up. Had monkey type toon called spider monkey. Similar concept perma pets with defense cap

Yes but I go back to my last few sentences. Mind you I agree with you. But perception is all that matters. You are talking about some dense people here. They will see they have someone with a secondary but lacking a lot of their primary. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you can get defense cap without gimping yourself I would. It just adds another layer of bonus on your end because they are just seeing they could have gotten another dark set player with More primary powers thus more dps that can do the same as you. Further regardless of the powers sets, some sets are just not that Conducive to getting or obtaining the defense cap you need. You already have a few strikes against you as a mastermind let alone a petless mastermind. Look I am working on that build. I could have went traps again but I wanted to try a different challenge. I'm at level 23 and just slotted IOS. So let me see how it rolls. I am also thinking of just starting a petless mastermind Sunday's type of run. I also need to do a dps comparison of whips to other attacks to see how bad they are. I also took the mystic attack as a 4th attack.

Depending on your arch type it helps you survive. E.g. Blaster would go range defense. If your dead all the time it's noticeable especially when your a certain arch like tank, brute or scrapper. In this instance of the discussion many people dislike masterminds. Several players who play masterminds also help perpetuate this hatred. When I join a team thank them profusely and make it clear I will stay out of the way with the pets. Not gonna kill me to kowtow. So now add in now we are talking petless mastermind. Imagine Now you are not defense capped and your doing less damage and you're dying just like the storm red trooper they could have brought on to the team. You basically need to show the team holy cow this player can handle themselves

Ok I re-read your post. There isn't any real input I can give you.

Actually there is even ANOTHER Thread with whips that breaks down all the different attack types as there is a common theme to every power set. And I found it

Sorry meant Steadfast. It is in the build I posted though. The bots are giving me 7%. I also updated Mids with a patch that cleaned up a bunch of stuff that pines added that just isn't in game. AT lvl 36 I slotted the Gladiators Armor TP protection +3% defense. So at 40% Defense ATM. With the 2nd Upgrade to the bots I am now doing 1/8 smoothly. That hellfire AOE attack from the Assault bot is great. I mentioned this on the old forums and I will mention it here.. There has to be a bug somewhere in the code because I always have one Battle drone that ALWAYS runs off to fight. I notice it every time. I just leave myself with 2 battle drones and only resummon when another one dies and I am down to one. But again something is clearly wrong as one Battle Drone always just decides to move closer to the mobs even with me spamming Stay.

Re-post your build with the data chunk at least so it can be seen in mids. But honestly just by looking at the build, you need to learn about game mechanics. You need to obtain defense caps otherwise its useless.

Dark is not gonna get you the defense numbers you need even with the Hit debuff. Plus you need anchors and its not exact between the anchor having the Hit Debuff and you getting hit. There is a delay. So you will get hit before the debuffs kick in. Further Whips at low levels is VERY high on Endurance. End result Traps is the easiest and safest way to go. Just swap out My Robot Traps build posted in another thread with demons and you are good to go. You could even provoke as well.

I did such a thing and it might have been me your speaking of. It was a big drawn out debate/fight on the old forums. Here is the simple gist. And I just seen a few threads and some comments in game. Masterminds suck. Many people hate them. They hate you block the door. They hate you take up space in the small cave. They hate your pets run off and pull aggro when not needed. ETC.. So they hate the pets.. But then you have someone asking about a petless Mastermind and You suck because your gimping yourself. Unfortunately here is the deal. I can't express the amount of crappy builds I have seen on these forums in general. Many people have no clue about defense cap. They see purple sets and they equate that to an I WIN button. I literally was on a team with my Robot Traps and I understood why people where leaving. Because one player said " I really don't recall dying this much ever in this game." Basically we had a bunch of poorly slotted players. Brute kept dying because he thought could handle it. Not to brag, but I am gonna. I have my defenses at 40 at level 36. When I joined the team there buffs brought me up to a whopping 42.. No one had any defense buffs. I turned the team around with the simple ability to Provoke and pull aggro off the brute. I didn't bother explaining anything to anyone as they just eventually caught the hint when I told them stay within the RED bubble and you will live. So to my point. I will not try to debate that not having your pets does reduce your DPS. But if people could just think rationally for a minute. I just removed every IO and turned off every self buff. If a petless mastermind for example is whip traps and is offering up 26 to all defenses to every player. Plus Perma Triage beacon and a bunch of other debuffs. Is that really, really gonna destroy a team doing ITF ? Do you really need 8 people to do some thing in this game that is not league size and dependent ? You get what I mean ? I am 100% sure many people had people on their team at 50 and probably didn't know they where not even IOed out and probably just using SO's. I am sure some people weren't even slotted at times. I can tell you with my petless demon pain mastermind I created an alt build with just SOs and unlocked and built up all my incarnate powers. Someone else just mentioned on this thread, just be a Kin. I have a DP Kin. Do you think I ever had to promote myself and DP KIN ? I just KIN LFT and I got one EVERY TIME. It was my fastest run to 50 to date. You think anyone would have rejected me because I was a Dual Pistol Kin ? I will say this. You can't be petless and just totally suck. You have to bring something to the table. But if you know how to create a build and can be defense capped and can handle your own on a 1/8 to 4/8 setting I do not honestly see the issue when I see Tanks, Brutes and Scrappers faceplanting every night. Again yes I understand your loosing DPS with no pets.. I get it. But with the amount of sucky players in the game with utterly shitty builds don't zero in on the petless mastermind because he stands out as the guy with whips and no pets. And if your doing it clearly shows you have no clue on about game mechanics and just trolling or talking out of your backside. Further You could get the pets for IO sets but just never summon them. Again I am defense capped without my pets but yes I use them with my robot traps. Demon Storm build. Range defense capped. Midway Melee and AOE, not that it matters because PBAOE is Melee and Ranged AOE is Ranged. So AOE is a moot point. But regardless. 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Sorry still getting error on your original post for the build. Have you updated pines ?

Comic con city map and cave map are good for Master Minds as it pretty much keeps everything linear. I get the Comic con on the moon would just be madness and mayhem as the pets would or could run EVERYWHERE on the map in seconds.

Funny I had a goblin of similar look back in the day

I see where your going with the build. I have a DP KIN I just reworked and will be posting, but I know you haven't actually run this yet and I will explain. Range attacks are gonna kill you every time. Why ? Because again my DP KIN had similar numbers.. Oppressive gloom get rid of it.. Works great on full defense capped players.. I had it and I go so much aggro I was dying in seconds after turning it on and this was with Incarnate powers and being T3. I think the build can definitely be reworked and re-tuned. 5 slotting luck in stealth is wasted. Actually having stealth is wasted. 2 slotting hasten might be wasted. Vengeance pretty much useless end game. Its great for AE farming scam to PL.

I think its over kill. Your talking 120 million for some of these sets. My AR Traps will probably cost 120 million and in many ways has better numbers then you and is defense capped as well. I could build probably 3 or 4 defense capped toons on the cost of this one. Get defense cap then get recharge and some healing via triage beacon. You will see how much double triage beacon matters when your soloing 4/8.. This is before Incarnate btw. Tough 6 slotted for ? Not needed. Build lesson, Shift click on the power and zero out the sets.. take away an IO and see what changes.. EG ( not pertaining to you specifically ) You have hasten 3 slotted.. 1. You lock a key power to see how the recharge numbers change.. 2. You shift click to get to the alt IOs in hasten to zero it out. 3. You add one IO look at the change. 4. You add another and look at the change. Sometimes when adding a 2nd even 3rd you will not notice a change.. Thus you have 2 slots free for something else..