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Thugs Dark This would fall more into the Nega Scott theme. You would have to rely on Darkest Night for defense cap for Range and AOE. You are melee capped and almost smash lethal. Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Mastermind Primary Power Set: Thugs Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Pistols -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(11), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13) Level 1: Twilight Grasp -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Heal(5), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(39) Level 2: Tar Patch -- ImpSwf-Dam%(A) Level 4: Darkest Night -- SphIns-ToHitDeb(A), SphIns-%ToHit(5), SphIns-Acc/ToHitDeb(7), SphIns-Acc/Rchg(7), SphIns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(9) Level 6: Kick -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(43), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(46), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46) Level 8: Empty Clips -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(33), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(34), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(34), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), PstBls-Dam%(37) Level 10: Super Speed -- Clr-Stlth(A) Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 14: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(15), UnbGrd-ResDam(15), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(17), UnbGrd-Max HP%(17), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(33) Level 16: Shadow Fall -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(39), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(39), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(40) Level 18: Gang War -- SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg(A), SvrRgh-Dmg/EndRdx(19), SvrRgh-Acc/EndRdx(19), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), SvrRgh-Acc(25), SvrRgh-PetResDam(25) Level 20: Fearsome Stare -- Ngh-Acc/Rchg(A), Ngh-EndRdx/Fear(21), Ngh-Acc/EndRdx(21), Ngh-Fear/Rng(23), Ngh-Acc/Fear/Rchg(43) Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(33) Level 24: Howling Twilight -- RzzDzz-Acc/Rchg(A), RzzDzz-Immob%(36), RzzDzz-EndRdx/Stun(36), RzzDzz-Acc/EndRdx(37) Level 26: Call Bruiser -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(27), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(29), SlbAll-Build%(31), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(31) Level 28: Petrifying Gaze -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(29), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(37), BslGaz-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(40) Level 30: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(36), LucoftheG-Def(43) Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 35: Tactics -- GssSynFr--Build%(A) Level 38: Dark Servant -- DscWrd-ToHitDeb(A), DscWrd-ToHitDeb/Rchg(40), DscWrd-ToHitDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(42), Lck-%Hold(46) Level 41: Static Discharge -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(42), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(42) Level 44: Charged Armor -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(45), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(45), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45) Level 47: Thunder Strike -- SuddAcc--KB/+KD(A), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(48), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(48), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50) Level 49: Electrifying Fences -- GrvAnc-Hold%(A), GrvAnc-Immob(50) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Heal(3) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(3) ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1460;687;1374;HEX;| |78DA6594CB4F135114C6EF74A6424BA1AD05CAA3BC0A081418A9BA3711D4A034A99| |682684C3381A19D480BE9B4092EFD17DCB891872E4C7CC48DCF44DDB830EA5A40D7| |AE1554888F4D3DCC77B44D663293DF9DEF9E73EF77EEBD33B1E531CFC3D3D78E0BC| |937BAA099662AA699053D9F357273CE98963666654157153DC1724F2A51CC661773| |EA64A698365B2BF413C5F979754CCB5F49C50CCDCC6AFEF15C46CFEBB982FAAF511| |B5F5C5C504F19E94CC1C8A5DDD65B6249D7E7BC567342D7E6F4BC9931966A10B8B0| |1FD97272C998552BE68915D9E7D52672D64BCF6BA7E0ABE4142B84A822AA5741F71| |A731DF4DC62DE0693CAFF5C8798922C4D49828712E014C5488811D21D6AB529629A| |34D9124B8A5C2523CF031EA866BAC06A37E8A0A584D592EC8C13C28A889C0387CF3| |313E01B27567EBFA6AA47F0DAF918EC7AC27CCA7C06F63C07BB29D1C57E5D2E87A5| |8549AB815F5133883899B45A68CEDA23F05817447D75BB78F7ED317F839D3FC119A| |ADF8B5CD9DBC0EB55CFF4817D6711FB966AF1732DFE1DCC7DF01BF33BD8F8036CDA| |65EE8117699E007295C006C6ADDF646E818D1FC1C827DE3FAAAB01DE1C0DECAD9DB| |D75B2B70B346E90F72268A2E6EE656601EC2982EFC87F33FB6F9E54ACFC9624730A| |0C4D83EDA358EFF619BC5F22B4F23CAD1F1CD678A10DB06713ECDB02FDE4BB8D7DB| |7B1EF6EF61B61FFEFC94B07EF6D4717D628407961DEDBF05DCC7F59C1B7B13F6FEF| |3DD20234CF7D70E00138FC07B12F689BFAF91BE8E7B336C0676C80CFD84B8A19E4F| |D1EE4B331C4676388CFC4D02F70DB2384CAEBA57EC63A1CBEC95C61AE82D135E63A| |F88A861841AE349284BF681C0C95BF55BAE912119B326253A236E5A84D396653266| |C4AACAC94E2957F04ABD7E5A3FF01F77E7153AF54D9BB5D5624E90C35FAE86F300E| |7EB545EF5446DF40ED8EEBE05F782CF33B| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

This is what I got. Incarnate Alpa would defense cap range. You put farsight on perma toggle. Wish they had some sort of Earth mastery to simulate tossing a boulder like last thug does. Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Science Mastermind Primary Power Set: Thugs Secondary Power Set: Time Manipulation Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Fighting Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Pistols -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(3), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), GldJvl-Dam%(5), Dcm-Build%(5), Tmp-EndDrn%(7) Level 1: Time Crawl -- ImpSwf-Dam%(A) Level 2: Temporal Mending -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(11), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(11), Prv-Heal/Rchg(17) Level 4: Time's Juncture -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(13), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(15), DarWtcDsp-Rchg/EndRdx(15), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(17) Level 6: Equip Thugs -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 8: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(9), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(13), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(21) Level 10: Empty Clips -- SuddAcc--KB/+KD(A), FrcFdb-Rechg%(23), ExpStr-Dam%(31), PstBls-Dam%(40), Ann-ResDeb%(42), JvlVll-Dam%(45) Level 12: Super Speed -- Empty(A) Level 14: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(19), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(19) Level 16: Distortion Field -- NrnSht-Dam%(A), GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(45) Level 18: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--Build%(33), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(34), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(34) Level 20: Time Stop -- GhsWdwEmb-Dam%(A), NrnSht-Dam%(27) Level 22: Gang War -- BldMnd-Acc/Dmg(A), BldMnd-Dmg/EndRdx(23), BldMnd-Acc/EndRdx(25), BldMnd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), BldMnd-Acc(43), BldMnd-Dmg(43) Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A) Level 26: Call Bruiser -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(34), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(37), SlbAll-Build%(40), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(42) Level 28: Farsight -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(29), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(29), Rct-Def/Rchg(31), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31) Level 30: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(43) Level 32: Upgrade Equipment -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 35: Slowed Response -- ShlBrk-DefDeb(A), ShlBrk-Acc/DefDeb(36), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(36), ShlBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(36), ShlBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37), ShlBrk-%Dam(37) Level 38: Chrono Shift -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-EndRdx/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(39), Pnc-Heal(40) Level 41: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(45), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(42) Level 44: Charged Armor -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(46), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RctArm-ResDam(46) Level 47: Thunder Strike -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(48), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(48), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(50) Level 49: Static Discharge -- PstBls-Dam%(A), PstBls-Acc/Dmg(50) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Heal(21) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod/Acc(7), PrfShf-Acc/Rchg(9) ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1448;688;1376;HEX;| |78DA6594C94F535114C6DFED7BA5508AB4945A860EB4804CB552756F220E5169420| |26A5C91069EF0123A84D244962E4CFC07D48D46178ABA7163A238AC4C34EA3FA0C6| |69E1C2010175EB500FEFFBA48D7DC9CBAFEFBBE79EF3DD73EF6DFAD43ECFAD83A7F| |768CA3B3297291627D399E282399FB572D3AEF129CBCC4D99BA268F4BDE60656C72| |BC94CDE673C989D9D24C3156A5EF2D9D3C999CB0B2A624CA5985D25C66C1CAE734C| |F583E3F971C3533052B37E3B63FC60BA639DDFC4F9F36E78BB356A1C9FE3E60CDCC| |2E4860C7FE823595ACCA9E2ED1DF629BF8E995F79153E353766A97042943735C26A| |F804642072FCA779FA1D59D15860DED456073AEA62D295B7B299A52B6A6AB55CC73| |7F223F83DE15F095C4EA8835F43B0E5BF3DC05B72C93F740EF7DF0B1F875B2A6330| |67F5BA5B92ED6740594ADD5B7821E2FD87A04359FC8E406C43A1B3E18987F06B923| |8B42BFA1F52D23EFC047CC49C4C16EA9D3C8DA8D6579349F284DC8E66862E516566| |E61E5D7B2CA66CC52CD19742991C5985FE6FBE8C677152EBA6E9237C8EB606C89BC| |06BE91BC7EE6F5335F07F33F955506B8AB812FECD20AD8F6955C0507D7C8755089A| |7205719B457F94CB2B5335BFB047AD671148C1D037B8E837D2370377002DF6FC546| |27F7B8931D0AB143211F18F98EFE467E80BA3808638E0A07B1A2C19D187B2E5EA27| |417E5FEBF931A71FA8B2BDD8EEF76903A69803D4EB20E7C1FC03DD8F0D71B428D6D| |61324246C1BE2EDE03F1D7CF5DEFE79A125CD30077FDA1840EF14C0E45947D6FB64| |7C9181907D73D9A96A4FFE44FF46FC72FF237F9074C95499EDD07526798A76098E7| |36751B0C1955F7D3DEC9C11A65B846496D28AA5AD95513B3BB4619AD51D2953CE53| |1833F6554D9A30D5EB9FB50CAABEEFF47D7DD9BFF224A1D46975A0F816B9531467F| |AB280E7501FDA93B0FD69F03FF02B826F577| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

First off DOAC Wow.. I loved that game.. Played with Shadowclan.. RP guild.. Was great, great fun.. the PVP was awesome.. Great ideas for its time.. As you know, big petless mm player here.. Had a concept of a Time Thugs or Dark Thugs, last pet only and gang war. Build out my character to look like last toon. Call him Nega Scott. Like from Scott Pilgrim. and go the route of melee attacks. My question I posted in General discussion and will ask here. Anyone ever play a Smash Lethal defense cap only build ? I never did. I am always defense cap. I would forgo resistance over defense cap. It has served me extremely well. But I also realize I might be missing out on creating much better builds if Smash Lethal is viable with Smash Lethal resistance cap. For me as I mentioned in the past, Petless and Semi Petless is weak already for many reasons. Lacking defenses is just adding insult to injury. Currently working Smash Lethal and Range cap based on the other thread.

Pretty much as the title says.. I am a big positional defense cap player. I am aware though of Smash and Lethal being a big component in many attacks. I was wondering if anyone who is only running Smash Lethal defense cap can express the game play on such a build. Maybe share the build so I can see what they are playing ETC.. Currently working on a Smash Lethal Range defense cap build. But if I went Smash Lethal with Smash Lethal resistance cap I can open up a few more doors in the build. Just trying to get the most out of this build. Its a real eccentric build. I play a lot of petless masterminds. I have a farmer toon, I have regular 50 IOed toons for all end game play. Now I am playing out of the box of standard builds to see what can be done.

very good post.. I was able to rework for petless builds..

Whips Kin Ranged and Smash/Lethal Defense cap/ 43 Smash Lethal Resistance. 3 unslotted fillers for 2 Force of Will attacks and Weaken resolve Or possibly Unleashed Potential BAD BUILD HAS 5 POWER POOLS Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Mastermind Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning Secondary Power Set: Kinetics Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery Hero Profile: Level 1: Corruption -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(17), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19) Level 1: Transfusion -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(7), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(7), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(13), NmnCnv-Heal(21), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(27) Level 2: Lash -- Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg(A), Mk'Bit-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mk'Bit-Dmg/Rchg(3), Mk'Bit-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mk'Bit-Dam%(37) Level 4: Siphon Power -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(33), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(33), LucoftheG-EndRdx/Rchg(37) Level 8: Crack Whip -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(9), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(9), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(11), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), PstBls-Dam%(13) Level 10: Siphon Speed -- ImpSwf-Acc/Slow(A), ImpSwf-Dam%(46) Level 12: Kick -- Empty(A) Level 14: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(15), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(31), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(40), RctArm-ResDam(40), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37) Level 16: Jump Kick -- Empty(A), Empty(21), Empty(45), Empty(23), Empty(48), Empty(48) Level 18: Weave -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(25), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(27), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), RedFrt-Def(29), RedFrt-EndRdx(25) Level 20: Speed Boost -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(34) Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33) Level 24: Super Speed -- Clr-Stlth(A) Level 26: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(43), LucoftheG-Def(43) Level 28: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(42), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(42), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(34), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(31), GssSynFr--Build%(36) Level 30: Repel -- ExpStr-Dmg/KB(A), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(36), ExpStr-Acc/KB(39), ExpStr-Dam%(40) Level 32: Inertial Reduction -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(36) Level 35: Transference -- PrfShf-EndMod/Acc(A) Level 38: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(39), LucoftheG-Def(39), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(50), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50) Level 41: Mace Beam Volley -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(42), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(43), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(45), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), PstBls-Dam%(46) Level 44: Super Jump -- Empty(A), Empty(46), Empty(48), Empty(50) Level 47: [Empty] Level 49: Fulcrum Shift -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Prv-Absorb%(34) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(23) Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1433;657;1314;HEX;| |78DA65945D53125118C7CFC29281208B8860020ABEA39254F7CD94D554326359DD3| |A0CAEB0A5C8084E7AD957E8A29AA6379BB2BAE9A637FB2AD55DD756DF801ECEFFAF| |32B33BB3E7C779DECF799EA5B83D1FFC78E5C179655817D74A8DC672B1D468DA9BE| |B4E6DC5572C559CB26A3F5DF2668E35CB4B5BEBEB1BB5FCBC2D2B374EAD92E8B0B8| |B0B5BA9ABFEED4ECA6536E44AED6AAF6A65D6BE60F7F04173736D6F20B76A92E7E2| |1BDB9EC54AA4DD905F46EA96EDB2BE143AB157BB35175EAC94B75A79CEFC8522C95| |6D56BC93901AC7E47D62293E2D9F7A2E2898AAE70568BD245F81BDBBE46BB03F273| |4E87BC3D0B21337C92530780BECBB0D9EBA033EB5E82ABEC62AE2792A6415341DF2| |2E387A0F8C4B5EAFF66E29EF346B914BF7A116D317438E741F386C911170B4177C6| |6A157ED1ABA3E21CEC9CFE41730F095FC0606F7C101A9C1AF3C6D5FC3BF2BF152A6| |9ADD033D12B41B7155774B1EE515498837153AE3C52DC7619D4E0B274C35314466C| |1D10C1813DF30AB0CEB687D7A9DD16BBF5E4F77ACA6D847982B12C04913DDBCFD20| |980C913DD487C141395514B98CE82F8F96657E8259891B435C23C65B1F26474417E| |789E37ED8474436007BCF003B92632772EC4C546C0659EBE01BF84DBD25F798FF1D| |987E0F8E7C0013526B0A39BDA9FB228B8AEEB7A975E3DBD84FEC8049B11DE2B9867| |8AE911F604A7459D69E7D04D9BEB4688CD334C6DAC759FB386B2F709A0A51F0BBF8| |4CB24F939CA6294E538ED334C3699AE134CD729AE2720FD33CCBB4EEE26C47470B7| |A6D2FADB4143BC7D19FE3E527CDA34F58692B957349E65C92824B72D62539E7922C| |B824C563496BD13CFAA895A1B57F0322E1D0A86B18E8CC013E803FC73AC6FAD769F| |D18ADE87F081EB8ACFD56FB6F0099FF0397FA1067| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Whips Kin BAD BUILD HAS 5 POWER POOLS Smash / Lethal Defense cap Smash / Lethal Resistance 58.6 Vengeance, Web envelope and Assault are place holders for Project Will, Wall of Force and Weaken Resolved. Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! demon - kin: Level 50 Magic Mastermind Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning Secondary Power Set: Kinetics Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leaping Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Corruption -- Dvs-Acc/Dmg(A), Dvs-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Dvs-Dmg/Rchg(3), Dvs-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Dvs-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dvs-Hold%(7) Level 1: Transfusion -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(7), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(9), NmnCnv-Heal(9), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(11) Level 2: Siphon Power -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 4: Repel -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(15) Level 6: Lash -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(29), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), TchofDth-Dam%(27), Mk'Bit-Dam%(13) Level 8: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(17), LucoftheG-Def(17), LucoftheG-EndRdx/Rchg(19), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(11) Level 10: Siphon Speed -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 12: Crack Whip -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(21), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(40), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(21), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), PstBls-Dam%(29) Level 14: Kick -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A) Level 16: Assault -- Empty(A), Empty(46) Level 18: Flurry -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg(25), CrsImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(31), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(33), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33) Level 20: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(37), UnbGrd-ResDam(36), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(36), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34), UnbGrd-Max HP%(31) Level 22: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(23), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(25), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(37), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(37), GssSynFr--Build%(31) Level 24: Speed Boost -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A) Level 26: Cross Punch -- Obl-%Dam(A), Erd-%Dam(48), ExpStr-Dam%(50) Level 28: Vengeance -- Empty(A), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(39), Empty(40), Empty(40) Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(34) Level 32: Inertial Reduction -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(36) Level 35: Transference -- PrfShf-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A) Level 38: Web Envelope -- Empty(A), Empty(42), Empty(43), Empty(43), Empty(45) Level 41: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(43), Ksm-ToHit+(42), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(42) Level 44: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(45), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(46), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(46), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45) Level 47: Mace Beam Volley -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(48), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(48), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(50), PstBls-Dam%(50) Level 49: Fulcrum Shift -- RechRdx-I(A) Level 1: Brawl -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal(23) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(15) Level 50: Agility Core Paragon Level 0: Ember Shield Owner Level 0: Ember Shield ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1476;688;1376;HEX;| |78DA6594CB4F534114C6E7B6B762A1953EA00FFAA02D601FD0971AB7268ABA80264| |0A35B6CDA4BB9813ED242224B17EE5C19138D71272F376E7C807F8BEEDCB8015D68| |A224A61EE67CB637B96D3ABFCE37E7CC7C677A6E4B0FE71D6FEF3EBA2114D7ADCD4| |AB7BB5AAA74B7B44E436FD66CA54A5DAF5A85102335ADD16AC6B2B10DBD3944F3F8| |2068B5BCDDA0B5DCFC7904267AB31E3044DCDC5E5BCB2DE84D6D4BAF76C5E852ABB| |5995BD42A35ADD35DD7DB4E39BFA3D7D7B7286F58CECA6D4DAB39FE07B6490FDF6E| |EBD59C61D352A5AAC1EB4E802CA5E8F3C225F0EAD9C46B425115965D708FA9EE830| |7CC0B874C5FA69FAB8A6585D7CACC8B2BE03DE6F07DA69F72147A538E5066799F00| |6956DE47B13EB648EDD25755F225F9B3C19F6D899050456C99195E61C6CBCC89556| |252158E0DDED74DF73EA470EED0389FEF7281634C8F07F4C2E7825532489EECF069| |87CF57E465045E46DEB136F69E99FC80F947A6E388193EC65D921727E70A27EAF09| |0368ABA477BF4125939C64977E31C3762030F789F892A338A3B88E10E62B8032BE5| |7A51B3F70AD732ED2721A28AA99F3C9FFAC58CFF6646FF30BD943B8EDCF15DFE1D7| |C7BCCC001737A1F3C6446DF3043745F7ED4E7FFC2DA93192182AC598282CFC89F5A| |A497E20ED14BF7456786506B48567FD934260D6382E223EC5189C8DFC52EE260983| |C4CE23E27E161EA3333426B09F84B3C63ED882CCDA07F67E4EE6939660CE39C1C7D| |746A8A4FB5A6D049197450FAAF9015A5D159C7B4EB2CC7AAB3889D436C163159377| |474DD27CAC9C1490E9D954767E5D159457456111D15A58A0AE8D0023A34ACF69F48| |21D03919A326AB299894A249B96A52AE99944593521A28BD25554877F24997AB765| |7FF39EF9D0CD3AA625CFD3E5014E584BBC5F78D796A8AFE618C7E8EFF8CA7CC331F| |81D77AD7DDE711FCBDE31A7CFF07BC4B1DEF| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

Project Will - Ranged Damage, Universal Damage, Knockback Wall of Force - Targeted AOE, Universal Damage, Knockback Unleashed Potential - Defense, Endurance, Healing - 10 minute recharge Mighty Leap - Leaping, Universal Travel Weaken Resolve - Accurate Defense Debuff, To Hit Debuff, Defense Debuff

I think power customization would fix this issue. As mentioned Energy coming from a gun or shoulder cannon would afford the same effects.

Im all for this

I'm the guy who didn't even notice it was night or day..

Change to the build as Detonator was useless. I know many would say the whole build is useless. I also removed Seeker Drone and changed out the epics to get a few more attacks and holds. I keep pet on aggressive to increase his survival a bit more. Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Mastermind Primary Power Set: Robotics Secondary Power Set: Traps Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Pulse Rifle Blast -- Rui-Acc/Dmg(A), Rui-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Rui-Dmg/Rchg(3), Rui-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Rui-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Dcm-Build%(48) Level 1: Web Grenade -- GrvAnc-Hold%(A) Level 2: Pulse Rifle Burst -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(7), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48) Level 4: Caltrops -- Rgn-Knock%(A) Level 6: Equip Robot -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 8: Photon Grenade -- PstBls-Dam%(A), PstBls-Acc/Dmg(13), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(13), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(17), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(17), RzzDzz-Immob%(50) Level 10: Triage Beacon -- NmnCnv-Heal(A), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(11), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Prv-Absorb%(45), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(45), Prv-Heal/Rchg(46) Level 12: Acid Mortar -- ShlBrk-DefDeb(A), ShlBrk-Acc/DefDeb(19), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(19), ShlBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(21), ShlBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50), ShlBrk-%Dam(50) Level 14: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(15), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(15) Level 16: Force Field Generator -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(34), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(34) Level 18: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(25), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--Build%(34) Level 20: Poison Trap -- Lck-Acc/Hold(A), Lck-Acc/Rchg(21), Lck-Rchg/Hold(23), Lck-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(23), Lck-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(46), Lck-%Hold(46) Level 22: Kick -- Empty(A) Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(25) Level 26: Assault Bot -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(27), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(29), SlbAll-Build%(29), SlbAll-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31) Level 28: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42) Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(31) Level 32: Upgrade Robot -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 35: Trip Mine -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(36), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(36), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Obl-%Dam(37) Level 38: Web Envelope -- TraoftheH-Acc/Rchg(A), TraoftheH-EndRdx/Immob(39), TraoftheH-Acc/EndRdx(39), TraoftheH-Immob/Acc(39), TraoftheH-Acc/Immob/Rchg(40), TraoftheH-Dam%(40) Level 41: Mace Beam Volley -- Ann-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dam%(42), ExpStr-Dam%(42), FrcFdb-Rechg%(43), SuddAcc--KB/+KD(43), Ann-ResDeb%(43) Level 44: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(45) Level 47: Power Boost -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48) Level 49: Super Speed -- Clr-Stlth(A) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrc-Rcvry+(40) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(37) Level 50: Cardiac Boost ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1469;680;1360;HEX;| |78DA6594594F13611486BFE9CC8085625B4B2D4B015B642B30A56AE2A5465CA2A10| |991C54B52CB5026296DD39604DCA217FE015470DFE27AE38DA81035517F8A5E78A1| |A037EECB7898F34A9BCC2493A73DCB7BCEBC5F3BF199BDAE4707CEEC1292A73F9D2| |814C6E2894251CF4F199971359E48194959D055497743293336343D3595CD6887B3| |47B3452359F097A5F64C4F4C68C3F944AEE03D9899D4F37AA6A8FDFFE01ECC66D3D| |A809E18D7F385492357637DDF6FA4268B462655657D1BCAE9FA783527D26B99E0BE| |9C91D4CA26C413491D6BCED6D162ED742FAB0297A98A394287221CE7C0F34CE5023| |8CF8C5E25861531ABACF70A31E21022A688E7A427414FBA26AC58C575F00673C34D| |F016337A9B798CF464E8C93B59EF05E9A988A921AE7BA9B2B16B332A9738E67A0C2| |E323D4FC0A7CCD80C6DD5A488E334C3895EE78864E5AA86C06166CF8ACCFCC8ECFD| |C03C41BDD5E8AD96644B6F93039499B50A33A682154C2F2D5C6319633A6AFC3C676| |32DE8619E247D376ADCA809A126841A1FE978B946F5DE618FEAEE32B7DC03EF830F| |98A187CC53A4EFC3FEBE2F1CABFDCADCFC0DFCCEECFD01FE643A68AE1FE7E037E91| |2324502BC8914D8C60ED505D8E5577442F598543FAC58B986117094193C02F6F384| |E6DDCC30E93642B7B19B4FAF0B5428D704879AE050331C6A8643AF69760B366DC12| |FE6348D0A639FF02F9ED3FA1BFC03FE656E3541C1CFF48CD086DEB6799ED1BE005E| |042F313B2E835798CBD4DB89DECEB7ACD7855F6CD72CCDF129227296E745DEB11F9| |1F75CB744E8860FDD78D61E3CE3AA4B088D75250DDE44C156F2A88FFB449F93B583| |E5FF54EBF422B6489F2D12B345B6DB223B6C91015B245E8A9883CAFAFB414856D6E| |959FFD79B2B559495CAB39F4A11491A85BB8724EB3DB46AABFE5C5EBD80739C63BE| |F1123867FE03D267F5BA| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

This is what I got following your power choices, but I got rid of your attacks. You have room for 1 power. You're at 43 S/L defense.. You definitely can make 45%.. You still have many slots left and spore cloud. If you could increase range and aoe to close to 28% depending on the scenario or setup, you would be defense capped with spore cloud. But seeing S/L is a large component in many attacks I think you will be safe with the heals as well. So its either Type defense kicking in or S/L component kicking in. So you have several situational safety nets here. Defense cap is 1 in 13 hits coming in. You have a some really good heal choices. I would consider provoke as you are very familiar with nature set if it works for you. I just didn't like the animation of nature otherwise I would get it. Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 49 Science Mastermind Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning Secondary Power Set: Nature Affinity Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Fighting Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Summon Demonlings -- SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg(A), SvrRgh-Dmg/EndRdx(5), SvrRgh-Acc/EndRdx(5), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), SvrRgh-Acc(7), SvrRgh-PetResDam(9) Level 1: Corrosive Enzymes -- Empty(A) Level 2: Regrowth -- Empty(A) Level 4: Wild Growth -- Empty(A) Level 6: Enchant Demon -- Empty(A) Level 8: Hasten -- Empty(A), Empty(9) Level 10: Spore Cloud -- DscWrd-ToHitDeb(A), DscWrd-ToHitDeb/Rchg(11), DscWrd-ToHitDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(11), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(34), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(36), DarWtcDsp-Slow%(36) Level 12: Summon Demons -- Empty(A), Empty(13), Empty(13), Empty(15), Empty(15), Empty(17) Level 14: Super Speed -- Empty(A) Level 16: Lifegiving Spores -- Empty(A), Empty(17), Empty(23), Empty(23), Empty(34), Empty(34) Level 18: Hell on Earth -- Empty(A), Empty(19), Empty(19), Empty(21), Empty(21) Level 20: Wild Bastion -- Empty(A) Level 22: Burnout -- Empty(A) Level 24: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(25), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(25) Level 26: Summon Demon Prince -- Empty(A), Empty(27), Empty(27), Empty(29), Empty(29), Empty(31) Level 28: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(31), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(31), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--Build%(33) Level 30: Kick -- Empty(A) Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment -- Empty(A) Level 35: Entangling Aura -- Empty(A) Level 38: Overgrowth -- Empty(A) Level 41: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(42), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(42), RctArm-ResDam(42), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(43) Level 44: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(45), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(45) Level 47: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(48), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48) Level 49: [Empty] Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- Empty(A), Empty(3) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- Empty(A), Empty(3) ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1214;548;1096;HEX;| |78DA75935B6F124114C7672F9402A52C527AB15C04D258DB666BD577A3B6FA524C1| |33E00D9C0D06E020BE192D8471FBD449F8DF1F2E05DE3A331FA4DF433586BABCFEB| |E19C139874D309FBFF33BF3973CE99C96EF9CEE6D4E75B77AF0ACDBAD1747ABD6AD| |9E9F565B7E57AF570A5E64AAF260D01230C4F61BC56AD0C5AADB6676F4A509EB8DE| |6E5E89B83E6834ECDB4E7FD095D56B8D86EBB9FD7D11DD69B79B76A523653D817FB| |7A55397DDDE9EDB89E3FCA6BBBBD7874C319A3587D3CC56C7ADD94AEAB25393DCE8| |FE3C34B604CF134BF0F043E2106CC314E61FF623F28963F6BFE493FFC87F94467BE| |10743FC04A231D190DC03623031903C858A2126212445B8A5306EF3B5309249D4FB| |B037423C14F9A00B913245F423FB27F2C2371D7B297D61FF4EFE0CAAC4F85C31CC3| |6A5E8B4A2166A097A88735771240FA07A82AB2794C859450B8A3E878A49CA602691| |9C517446D1879039C5B55248F45921D24CD24892D0CF1C55D7E7D21A9E697E86DD2| |27F011517F88C0BB8EBACA2194573A829C8B9C8275A7C45F7947BCDFE86FCDC5BF6| |77ECEFC975D89BE50EB398ED2554CF33C9237904E72A527E5144F2B8446FD9902C2| |13120CF32F7B07CC9C0DC178607CD82E7C0CF8317C9570AEC797213F6AEF29DACF2| |9DACF19DACF19D7C859436C7D81CB3CE31EB1C336CC4CF98275FDE9500B918201B0| |1723940AE04C8768094C7C4DF314F7E34116BF4D1F8BFA2B0AAA9ABBFC74423A2A3| |1E04220F4F89FC0FCCCE667E| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

I hate asking but I need to ask. Would it be possible to migrate some attacks over to different animations, like weapons. E.G. Black Wand and Nemesis Staff along with the New Force of Will along with even maybe sorcery to a Guns, Staves, Wands, Hands. It would just help for thematic and concept reasons. It would just open up a slew of concepts to character creation beyond just the costume of the character.

I wouldn't complain about Full Auto cone if it worked from hovering, properly..

This set I think is on Test Server. Pretty sure I seen some videos on the forums about it. Or was that another game server and the user was posting here?

I see what your saying, I will look into it. Thank you for the insight on the hover board.

lol I missed that.. Okay I seen that before.. But yes you win.. That's before my time.

I don't want to derail the whips only mastermind thread with non whips builds. Robot Traps - Last pet only. Theme: A boy with his Giant robot, which he blows up from time to time. Would buy the hover board. I don't know if the hover board is a replacement for flight or just another way of flying but you need to have flight. Otherwise would go with the backpack jet packs. Or use temps. Last 2 powers questionable. But they do help. Would love to make this toon a bunch of emotes. EG when blowing up the giant robot the kid would say different things. Like Kaboom and then cycle through different emotes so you don't see the same thing repeatedly. Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.5 https://github.com/ImaginaryDevelopment/imaginary-hero-designer Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Magic Mastermind Primary Power Set: Robotics Secondary Power Set: Traps Power Pool: Leadership Power Pool: Fighting Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Flight Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Pulse Rifle Blast -- SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg(A), SprWntBit-Dmg/Rchg(3), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(3), SprWntBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), SprWntBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(5), SprWntBit-Rchg/SlowProc(48) Level 1: Web Grenade -- GrvAnc-Hold%(A) Level 2: Pulse Rifle Burst -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(7), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48) Level 4: Caltrops -- Rgn-Knock%(A) Level 6: Equip Robot -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 8: Photon Grenade -- PstBls-Dam%(A), PstBls-Acc/Dmg(13), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(13), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(17), PstBls-Dmg/Rng(17) Level 10: Triage Beacon -- NmnCnv-Heal(A), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(11), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Prv-Absorb%(45), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(45), Prv-Heal/Rchg(46) Level 12: Acid Mortar -- ShlBrk-DefDeb(A), ShlBrk-Acc/DefDeb(19), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(19), ShlBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(21), ShlBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50), ShlBrk-%Dam(50) Level 14: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(15), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(15) Level 16: Force Field Generator -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(34), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(34) Level 18: Tactics -- GssSynFr--ToHit(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg(25), GssSynFr--ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--Rchg/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(33), GssSynFr--Build%(34) Level 20: Poison Trap -- BslGaz-Slow%(A), BslGaz-Acc/Hold(21), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(23), BslGaz-Rchg/Hold(23), BslGaz-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(46), Lck-%Hold(46) Level 22: Kick -- Empty(A) Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(25) Level 26: Assault Bot -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(27), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(29), SlbAll-Build%(29), SlbAll-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31) Level 28: Seeker Drones -- Stp-Acc/Rchg(A), Stp-EndRdx/Stun(42), Stp-Acc/EndRdx(42), Stp-Stun/Rng(43), Stp-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43), Stp-KB%(43) Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(31) Level 32: Upgrade Robot -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 35: Trip Mine -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(37) Level 38: Detonator -- Ann-Acc/Dmg(A), Ann-Dmg/Rchg(39), Ann-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Ann-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), Ann-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Ann-ResDeb%(40) Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42) Level 44: Fly -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(45) Level 47: Dark Embrace -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(48) Level 49: Oppressive Gloom -- RzzDzz-Immob%(A), AbsAmz-ToHitDeb%(50) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A) Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Heal(40) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(37) ------------ | Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1457;667;1334;HEX;| |78DA6594C94F136118C6BF69674028482B54B6021641F642D5C4A3465C62422391C| |523A930C024A56DDA92801BA0FE055EBCC8665CC0EDE2128D9AE0FFE012A327D783| |A25C3CE8A5BECCF3084DFA25935FE779D7EFFDE66B68E250C1FDA333FB95E6EE8C8| |493C9815038993213635674C8088547AC41A792952B4FC5A665A0677C6C2C160D9C| |889D8AA5ACC1A437C374707C7838D09B08C7939E63D1513361465381FF3F8ABA63B| |148A0CB0C0F9989E4A8152FB4DF8F5823A3292B3A926FBFF5C44D73C8054364DDE2| |3B1CB7060399C563E311B63959268DD5CBF3D4505C69432DE94A0575E558266F83F| |A1DF22ED87E0F9CD4376295EA73D8DA33C9A7319F36AB6C2D678E9C07B72C908B60| |FB35F0B4E473329F731FF23D977C0635C30FBF1706062B9A9EFB045AC103F221E87| |E443E06CF48EE3CF695D7A7D95A7E0FD90BB6AE3AC11F60DB77F0ACC4BA18EBD244| |ABD2D53607E9044B7430689039A0471A2DB4079276147A51676B09E906CF49FE22F| |A14D1C74F1F3F7D8A258F073E86E73A66537603DC7193BC452E81FE65F0BCE42F66| |FFC5EF1CE8F715B8FD35F9066C7B4BFE45AC43EA7A397F6F5A96728A528A4EB4D2D| |D9850D9BA20512B7232E5AC54DE8BAFA4A28FEC077D27C94E54A83E004E895CC9D8| |CA29ECBA699A9C019B2F9017C94BA02E3D557182559C60352758CD09BE94DE6AB89| |31A7E49D352B396356BAFA2AF9DB3E41C390FD62D908BE08C8E1BB41E5BFF1173D8| |F589FC4C7E011BBE92DFC05AE9B791336C6C412F4DA44B6C2DC8ABB57CC06C5ADF8| |32B121E605CE00F72B5FF06D70A94EAA0AD6302E7113C8E385FE64DB54FB1394BE9| |C8528259CA9E2C656F96D295A584369574B7BEF1FFA034DB9AE7DEB8F5E9D57CB16| |A99D65F9B8AA6F5E3241B787F7F6679AF657A5FC1DEEB2E83FF006085F526| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|

You got me.. I'm 52 and couldn't even find it with Google.

Dude if my build is better then why reinvent the wheel. Nothing wrong with copying someone else's build if its better for the time being. Maybe someone else will come around and tweak it up a bit more and guess what.. I will switch up to that build. What I can tell you getting Aid self was very useful. Again only so much you can do with these builds. The road has less options. Currently running around on my Whip Traps. I am holding out hoping the Device changes come to Traps related to trip mine. I was also thinking of making a Robot Traps with a kid and just the last robot. Give him some name like Boy with the Giant Robot. Giant Robot Boy. Put him in kids cloths with a space helmet and cape and pick up the gun powers. Now that I have the ability to PL myself it isn't much work. But my main account is filling up with petless masterminds. Seems to be the only thing entertaining me beyond my AR Device toon.

I like this analogy. Its a good explanation.

As I read it, What purrfekshawn is saying, is you buff the FFG with the robot upgrades instead of the pets. Then BEFORE the FFG times out, if you have some missing robots that got killed during the fight. Just resummon the missing robots and then resummon the FFG and doing this will automatically upgrade all the pets that were NOT upgraded. I have seen when you resummon the FFG that the robots all go into upgrade mode. I will test this out and confirm. Yea its a bug but it will save you endurance and time upgrading in the middle of a fight if this is correct. During a big fight if my big guy goes down the first thing I do is resummon him and use the 2nd upgrade first because I want him to fire off swarm missiles ASAP to give me some breathing room.

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Just wanted to echo the same sentiments. I had enough recharge to have 2 gun drones out for 30 seconds. Now one doesn't even last to have 2 out. Unless I am not fighting. I noticed the aggro issue right away. Oddly enough it used to be a pet that was on the ground and planted so you had to wait for the recharge to get another, then they changed it to flying which was great. Now it just getting clobbered way too fast.