Scarlet Shocker

what about Fire/Rad corrs?

To address the OPs opening, I suppose it's absolutely possible that the person responsible for forming the TF totally forgot they are +2. It can happen and if nobody else noticed until it was too late. That happens. No blame need to be apportioned. It's just a game, after all!

Storm/Dark Defenders You get Freezing Rain earlier than Sleet (same power different name) nothing can come near you to melee you and the ranged stuff won't be able to touch you because it's blind

Those aren't ninja horses THIS is a ninja horse

Useful. Thanks. That's filled in a lot of gaps. I guess I'd love to ask our current devs if they plan to use any of the live devs inputs and/or ideas for newer content. I would imagine that they are reluctant to give much away though

What happens if your rebuffing is rebuffed?

That makes a lot of sense

I usually start with a concept. Some of you have already engaged with my various musings on the forums so you might have an idea of what I enjoy playing. Usually... but not always. Especially if new powers or sets drop then I will often experiment with those. (Oddly enough I've just not had time to get to Arsenal stuff yet so busy with existing characters due to terminal altisis) I will very frequently use the random button in the CC a few times just to get me started - but I get annoyed with it with all the various animal heads. If there's one thing I'd love it would be for a "lock" option on the rando button so you could lock in costume items you like and further clicks wouldn't change the locked items. That would actually give it some real use!

There's a lot to read there and it strikes me as being something of a hand wave, especially when it's such an important event happening to a signature character but ho hum. Thanks for the explanation! Thanks. That was deffo a TYDKYDK moment.

I wouldn't object to Manti going dark but do you have any specific reference to "ye olde lore bible" that we can check? I hate Manti almost as much as I hate Scirocco - Manti is a low grade bat/iron man clone - tech billionaire with a shit ton of toys (which in today's world seems laughable) I may be missing out on Lore/Mission arcs but I've seen nothing past Mot eating them. If there is something I would love you to point me at it. I do note that you say "presumably" so I <presume> that you may be filling in gaps inyour own mind rather than quoting actual lore. Forgive if I am wrong.

this is where you lost me. Frostfire is a signature boss. He is a distinct part of your learning curve as you break out from street level to SUPERhero To relegate him to a "has been" is to denigrate the entire live game when running his mission was almost mandatory - unless you had the willing patience to street sweep four levels in Kings Row. To introduce somebody up and above a guy who's literally fought tooth and nail to carve out his own niche in Paragon is super cheap and actually does the game and its lore no favours. Frostfire is the best and worst of player characters. He offers hope and despair in equal measure and we have all beaten him down as individuals and he would come look for us because he needs to even the score. Chiller... chiller offers nothing. Someone from nowhere, no history, no hard knocks. No understanding of our city or what it, and we have been through. And we've been through it, through thick and thin. We've fought, bitched, cried, supported, carried, helped, and won. Frostfire, in his own way has been with us. Chiller is nothing. We spit on chiller, but if he comes back at us. We will ALL be waiting. Frostfire will be with us.

Clearly, you are in one helluva state!

I've been told you look buff in spandex! Allegedly

Oh!!! You... absolute... BUFFER!

There's also a DC MMO swimming in pretty well exactly the same waters that we live in. Apples vs Eggs Diana and Paragon both hang heavily on Greek mythos. It might simply be coincidence. It might even be callous oblivion. Or it might not.

Again, it's art and we can interpret it depending on our own perspective but I still wonder if this isn't at least in part a nod to Paragon, and perhaps even Homecoming, upholding our world for everyone to see... If that is the case then good on DC got such an acknowledgement!

I thought Mot ate her? (also Mot is a stupid name. In the UK it's a regular car check!)

Yes, probably. If she changed, I have missed that. Where would I find it?

It's a big world out there and room for all perspectives. I tend to agree - it's one reason why MacDonalds is so successful, because you can go into any one of their places and get (roughly) the same product. That's comforting. But I also think consequences have their place, doubly so in a two decade old game where character development is a core component from the moment you create your first toon. I don't mind "break the world" in one sense so long as it can be put back together in the end (one of my big gripes with Avengers: Endgame was how it changed everything and not for the better) so it at least makes sense... and I think that with our game the timelines and Praetoria just added layers of confusion. But, we are where we are and mustn't undo that because that would be the worst outcome. We can only build on what we have.

I must check that out. Thanks!

This has been a subject nurdling in the back of my mind for a little while without necessarily getting to the fore and making itself apparent. However this thread got me thinking seriously about it and it occurs to me that there are a ton of loose ends, some dating back a long time that haven't ever been tied off. I'm trying to think of specifics but it seems like we rarely ever get story lines completed - and the Praetorian arc(s) got dropped IIRC because Matt Miller decided we'd got bored with Praetoria before it was finished. Regardless of how you view that notion it seems it would be great to get some of the older tales wound up. Frostfire is one such thread that isn't just dangling, it's painful to watch. Frostfire was an epic encounter in the Hollows arc, one of the unforgettable stories in the lore of our City but then his rehabilitation - which still seems incomplete - was an epic disappointment, making damp squibs look exciting and entertaining in comparison. Scirocco - More disappointment. I appreciate this is one of the last of the live "big" stories and perhaps didn't get the love it deserved because devs knew the game was doomed but it was fundamentally poor and didn't do a signature character justice. I get they wanted to move him to the light side, but I felt no compassion or empathy for him in that story Whilst I love the first revamp to RWZ and the Vanguard/Lady Grey/Rikti arcs there that story also got dropped and hasn't progressed. Matt Miller mischievously said Lady Grey was a "sleeper agent" and she does have a cut scene with Lord Nemesis that strongly indicates they have a long, complex history and yet we've never been given an opportunity to learn about that. Similarly, Hero One seems to be inhabiting some kind of mysterious UndeadRikti status, where he is not alive and not dead (and both in pain.) He has a shrine (which curiously is hidden away from public gaze - I find that very odd in itself. Most heroes have great works built in their honour so the public can remember their sacrifice - his is tucked away in the depths of Atlas City Hall.) But what is his actual status? Is he cured? And whilst we are on the subject of Rikti - the two factions seem no closer to reaching an accord - and yet they still come out and attack us from their crashed craft in RWZ. Why have Vanguard and the Heroes put that issue to bed yet? Stop them invading and force them to the negotiating table! Sister Psyche got a dreadful deal in "Who Will Die?" That of course begs the question why Aurora didn't come into play again given that there was a pre-existing relationship already - and that in itself is a story definitely worth telling - maybe there's a whole mid-level Aurora arc to be discovered at some point. There are plenty of other loose ends here - I have a couple of others that spring to mind but I know few of us enjoy walls of text so I will leave it here and invite you to bring us your reminiscences of loose ends and how they could be handled. I will give you one potential solution to a couple of the loose ends I've covered here. I hope you think it makes some sense.

This is a bullshit thread. OP is playing a superhero game in a fictional titular city, in a fictional multiverse and he objects to some of the villain groups because they are not realistic enough What's wrong with that picture?

I wanted to comment on the image as a whole not on actual technical aspects of the art. It could be little more than a stick Wonder Woman. What struck me is how it referenced our own world. I appreciate that our City has millennia of lore to build upon. Atlas himself is barely novel, but as an image it resonated with me because of our great city and despite the fact that the sky did fall in on it once, some nameless heroes brought it back. It just got me nostalgic for a thing that exists.

Beat me to it! It's a cool place to explore if you're high enough so you don't get trashed the moment you walk in!

I think we have to cast a wider net - for example there are simply too many Marcus Coles in game in various states of "being." In fact I'm having so much trouble keeping them straight in my own head I feel that a Cole Porter would be useful to keep 'em straight