Is havoc punch the only good melee attack in /elec?

[DarknessEternal]

I find the animation time on thunder strike detrimental.  I’m also not really a fan of the hold since there isn’t much holding to do at high levels.

 

does anyone actually make good use of those powers?

[Vanden]

They’re all good, though Thunder Strike’s long activation can be a problem, yes. 

[Frosticus]

charged brawl, havoc and shocking grasp all have great dpa. 

[HelenCarnate]

No, it is the worst single target melee attack in the set.  It still has decent DPA so I would take them all (I enjoy blapping) but if I had to pick one of them to toss it would be the one that had the longest animation time that could potentially knock mobs out of my damage aura. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by HelenCarnate

[DocRadio]

55 minutes ago, HelenCarnate said:

No, it is the worst single target melee attack in the set.  It still has decent DPA so I would take them all (I enjoy blapping) but if I had to pick one of them to toss it would be the one that had the longest animation time that could potentially knock mobs out of my damage aura. 

Couldn't you slot one of those knockback to knock down thingee's into it?

 

 

[DocRadio]

7 hours ago, Vanden said:

They’re all good, though Thunder Strike’s long activation can be a problem, yes. 

I always used it against held bosses or while kiting. Not optimal but at least you don't have to worry about getting gutted while it animates.

[DarknessEternal]

1 hour ago, HelenCarnate said:

No, it is the worst single target melee attack in the set.  It still has decent DPA so I would take them all (I enjoy blapping) but if I had to pick one of them to toss it would be the one that had the longest animation time that could potentially knock mobs out of my damage aura. 

How is it the worst exactly?

[Nemu]

I skipped Havoc Punch on my Fire/Elec/Mace. Thunderstrike has a long animation time yes, but it's much more fun and it has great utility in conjunction with force of thunder. I have both powers slotted with force feedback proc and the KB>KD proc and I can juggle mobs for a good while. Havoc punch on the other hand is not worth the proc investment and I don't like the knockback. I had havoc in my original build that was modeled after my live build when the servers went down, but after noticing the changes to Force of thunder I dropped HP and picked up TS an FoT and I was pleasantly surprised at the result.

 

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Edited September 13, 2019 by Nemu

[HelenCarnate]

3 hours ago, DarknessEternal said:

How is it the worst exactly?

Worst single target melee attack in that specific set mind you.  It is tied for lowest DPA and has a side effect of sleep which is nullified by Lightning Field and also knockback of a high enough mag to potentially knock them out of Lightning Field.  If I only had room for 2 single target melee attacks I would drop Havoc Punch. That does not mean it is bad of course.  It is still better than most of melee attacks available to blasters, just slightly less good compared to the other 2 that happen to also be in the same secondary.  It is far from useless and I would try to make room for all 3.

[Generator]

Thunder Strike is he only one of the lot I skip in my Elec^3.

[Eva Destruction]

I skipped Thunderstrike on my Fire/Elec because I had to skip something and the long animation plus needing to invest an extra slot in a Kb-to-KD IO isn't worth it.

 

I do have Havoc Punch though.  I don't use it in my ST attack chain on hard targets, because Charged Brawl and Shocking Grasp have better DPS, but it makes for a better finisher than Shocking Grasp since it's not DoT, and the KB doesn't matter if the target is dead.  It's also nice to have another heavy-hitter when I exemp down.