City of Data v2.0

[UberGuy]

On 2/23/2024 at 8:48 PM, BillyMailman said:

FYI, something's definitely off with the sleep grenade thing from Arsenal Control; there's a stacking type not showing up. I'm also confused by the Requires bit on the bonus sleep from Domination/Overpower, but that one seems more likely to actually just be how it works. Notably, that's 100% how Smoke Canister's confuse is supposed to work, and it's showing up the same there, so yeah. Same stacking thing is showing up over there, too.

This one should be easy to track down. I'm glad at least the logic for "tell us when you don't know what to show" works, rather than the old behavior of just not showing anything!

[Jacke]

On 2/26/2024 at 1:54 PM, Crysis said:

[ I ] was extremely happy to find not only that COD has been rebuilt entirely by so many thoughtful and knowledgeable players, but also that it's like totally updated for recent changes.

 

EDIT: I'd forgotten the details of others' support of City of Data 2, as @UberGuy details in the next post.

 

What @UberGuy does do himself is continually refine that City of Data 2 website to serve up that data in a way we can use to better understand the fiddly bits of the various powers.  There's a lot of feedback and suggestions from a number of devs and many other users of CoD2, but @UberGuy is the one who puts them into the website.

 

Didn't do it all alone, but it's still an amazing achievement. 😺  Without @UberGuy, we wouldn't have this vital tool.

Edited March 2 by Jacke

[UberGuy]

2 hours ago, Jacke said:

City of Data 2 is all @UberGuy's work AFAIK.  He's the dude that figures out how to take the game data (in the form provided to him) and present it on his website.  An amazing achievement. 😺

 

Oh, no, now let's be clear. While I do maintain it, I built what CoD's powers data extracs on top of @RubyRed's parser work. It's grown significantly since then, but I likely would never had undertaken it without that codebase. Also, the updates I am able to make when the Homecoming team releases updates is because they help me to know what changed at a data level. CoH's game files are extremely opaque in nature. They are almost literally a memory dump of the C data structures. If you don't have either source code or someone to tell you what has changed about them ...  well, I won't say figuring it out would be impossible, but I'll just say there's totally no way I could do it as a side hobby project without the help of others. Even Ruby based their original work on original source code leaks.

 

The one thing I can mostly take credit / blame for is the website presentation. Even there, while the codebase is wholly my own creation, I used the original City of Data as a UI inspiration and I regularly get feedback from folks like @Captain Powerhouse, @Booper and @Number Six (and many folks in this thread) when I display things poorly (or not at all) and/or things need better labels / descriptions.

[Bionic_Flea]

Is RubyRed aka Red Tomax?  I recall Red Tomax as the original CoD person.

[UberGuy]

12 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

Is RubyRed aka Red Tomax?  I recall Red Tomax as the original CoD person.

 

While I can't say with certainty, I do not believe so.

 

Edit: My understanding was that RedTomax had the info they did because they were close to one of the Paragon Studios powers devs. The original site was based on text info for the powers, rather than squeezing it out of client files. In fact, originally, most of this info did not exist in the client. I was only after "Real Numbers"™ was added to the client UI that powers data started being shipped with the client bins.

Edited March 1 by UberGuy

[UberGuy]

The Live site should be updated for this week's patch.

 

I'll work on the UI bugs mentioned above (and some older ones too) this weekend.

 

References to data from the "Alpha" / Cryptic environment have been removed / updated to refer to "Beta" / Brainstorm.

[Carnifax]

On 2/21/2024 at 9:49 PM, UberGuy said:

 

Interesting. That sounds like I'm not handling unicode characters somewhere in my data processing chain, which is both surprising and not. Once I figure out where it's happening it probably won't be hard to fix. Finding it might be "fun" though. 😅

Charsets are the second most annoying thing about computers (printers are 1st, then charsets and finally timezones). 

[UberGuy]

I just made a quick edit to the site meant to save people from being stuck on blank pages if they last had things configured to look at Cryptic/Alpha data. Since that's gone now, the site was busted for those folks, and it busted badly enough that they could not reasonably get to the settings page to fix it.

 

I just pushed code that redirects folks trying to hit Cryptic data to Brainstorm instead. This should also handle folks using direct links to a specific dataset that targeted data=cryptic.

 

The new code lets me add future data redirects like this in case they're needed again. I'll also look for ways to remove this lookup from the critical path for page load. Since there is code referencing the dataset in the header of every page, targeting a bad path breaks every page on the site early, which is, ah, not ideal.

[UberGuy]

I just posted a data update that contains fixes for things like "Δ K'ong". The issue was was in original Rust bin parser code, in parts of it that I have never actually touched before. There was logic that stripped out non-ASCII text from display strings of all kinds. I removed this logic entirely, so now everything in the clientmessages-en.bin is parsed as it's stored. There's a chance this will introduce control characters that were not previously present, though I mostly would not expect the website to care about such things. If you see something that looks off, let me know, as always.

 

I also updated Brainstorm's data.

[UberGuy]

I just pushed a fix for the "Unknown Stacking Type" situation. I reused an existing icon for now - I need to noodle a bit on what makes sense given how small the icons are.

 

 

I improved the "Unknown X" logic so it actually tells us the unknown thing's name in the popup. It always had the flag name, but just didn't know what icon or description to display.

 

I also added the "Unknown  X" behavior to several other attribmod icons that had a possibility to fall through without picking something to display, which could happen if a new value is added that the logic is not updated to handle.

[KaizenSoze]

Looking through Arsenal control. This doesn't look right on Liquid Nitrogen.

https://cod.uberguy.net/html/power.html?power=pets.liquidnitrogen.liquid_nitrogen&at=minion_pets

 

11.122 points of Cold damage (all affected targets) every 10s for 4.5s (100% chance)

 

I read that as do damage every 10 seconds, for a duration of 4.5 seconds. So, it only runs once?

[UberGuy]

3 hours ago, KaizenSoze said:

Looking through Arsenal control. This doesn't look right on Liquid Nitrogen.

https://cod.uberguy.net/html/power.html?power=pets.liquidnitrogen.liquid_nitrogen&at=minion_pets

 

11.122 points of Cold damage (all affected targets) every 10s for 4.5s (100% chance)

 

I read that as do damage every 10 seconds, for a duration of 4.5 seconds. So, it only runs once?

 

That doesn't seem to be any sort of display error. That's how it's actually set up.

 

Even if those numbers were backwards (every 4.5s for 10s), it would only tick twice.

 

Edit: I got confirmation from @Booper that this is WAI. It's got an interval so the attribute will stick around. The desired duration for that is 4.5s, If you check the flags, it's kept around to prevent a 2nd knock effect for that period. The 10s  interval is arbitrary - it just has to be longer than the effect duration to ensure there's only that one tick.

Edit2: I'll see about making the display more intelligent when the interval is longer than the duration, since this seems like an implementation trick we'll see in other places.

Edited March 5 by UberGuy

[UberGuy]

On 2/23/2024 at 9:01 PM, BillyMailman said:

Second, separate bug: On both Chrome and Firefox, opening the Liquid Nitrogen pet power's page and sliding the Level thing, the two -350% maximum RunningSpeed bits adjust - the damage doesn't, showing the full level 50 damage for all levels. It's working for other powers, so not a globally busted thing, and switching to player ATs doesn't get the damage changing, either.

 

From what I can tell by looking at the git history, this never worked right.

 

I guess no one ever noticed because either (a) they didn't move the slider, (b) they were looking at powers where child effects don't scale with level, or (c) they just plain didn't notice numbers that should change did not do so. I think I have to fit in option (c).

 

The bug was incredibly simple. The hierarchy of child effects is literally a parent/child tree structure, where each effect group web display element is a child component of the parent effect group's element. The effect group widget has inputs that control how it displays its contents - things like AT tables, level, etc. Parent elements have to forward relevant inputs to their child elements. The web code has never passed the display level to the child components, so they always displayed at a default level of 50.

 

This has been fixed. 😝

[Glacier Peak]

Such a tremendously valuable resource that has saved me countless hours of time so that I could enjoy the game instead of wondering aimlessly about why a power did something I couldn't figure out why. I've referred to this resource so many times and never realized it was so frequently updated.

 

Well done. An absolute pillar of the community, @UberGuy.

[Bionic_Flea]

Uber! Uber! Uber!

 

[_NOPE_]

On 2/29/2024 at 11:58 PM, UberGuy said:

CoH's game files are extremely opaque in nature. They are almost literally a memory dump of the C data structures. If you don't have either source code or someone to tell you what has changed about them ...  well, I won't say figuring it out would be impossible, but I'll just say there's totally no way I could do it as a side hobby project without the help of others.

That was my greatest frustration of all in trying to promote a large modding community and make it accessible to the masses.

[BillyMailman]

Hey, @UberGuy, dunno how active you are these days, but I figured I'd give you a heads-up that a new page just dropped on Beta, so you'll wanna get poking at that, see how badly it breaks CoD, pull the data into the Beta stuff on the site, etc.
 

Also, once again, I will never adequately thank you enough for this awesome site. You are the best!

[saver]

Hello! I've just discovered this tool thanks to a helpful player ingame. I am looking for a lists (or something list-like) of the powers that accept a specific type of IO set. Specifically, I would like to know what are all the powers that accept Defense Debuff IOs? I am having trouble figuring out if City of Data has this capability or not. Would someone please help me learn how to do that in CoD, or tell me if it is not possible in CoD,  and/or if there is a different resource I could use to see such lists? Thank you!

[BillyMailman]

CoD doesn't have such an option, no. The data's all there, but there's no page that displays it in reverse like that, just powers listing which enhancement sets they take.

 

And honestly, I don't know that such a thing exists anywhere - neither the Wiki nor Mids have it, either.

[_NOPE_]

4 hours ago, saver said:

Hello! I've just discovered this tool thanks to a helpful player ingame. I am looking for a lists (or something list-like) of the powers that accept a specific type of IO set. Specifically, I would like to know what are all the powers that accept Defense Debuff IOs? I am having trouble figuring out if City of Data has this capability or not. Would someone please help me learn how to do that in CoD, or tell me if it is not possible in CoD,  and/or if there is a different resource I could use to see such lists? Thank you!

Hmmmm... that sounds like a fun weekend project...

[UberGuy]

Hey, gang,

 

CoD has been updated, both live and beta!

 

Very sorry for the late updates here. I have tooling that monitors the manifests looking for patches so I know to get on the update train, but there were two problems with them.

1. I never switched that tooling from checking for updates to the old closed beta server to the new HC beta server.
2. The tooling follows the login flow for the patcher, but as you all know the HC patcher relies on a valid login on these forums. My login had expired and the tool stopped checking anything.

I've fixed both issues, plus made it so that if the tool's login is failing I get a notification and can go fix it.

 

By the time I realized I needed to be working on updates, I had a bunch of stuff going on at home that needed to come first., Hopefully the improvements above will keep me on the ball better.

 

 

Edited July 28 by UberGuy

[Bionic_Flea]

 

Just kidding. 

 

Thanks again, Uber.

[UberGuy]

17 hours ago, saver said:

Hello! I've just discovered this tool thanks to a helpful player ingame. I am looking for a lists (or something list-like) of the powers that accept a specific type of IO set. Specifically, I would like to know what are all the powers that accept Defense Debuff IOs? I am having trouble figuring out if City of Data has this capability or not. 

 

CoD doesn't have this sort of capability today. It'd be possible to add, but you should understand that the lists involved would be pretty huge. There are many hundreds of player powers, and some set types have very pervasive application. (Think the various damage type sets and how many powers they would slot in.) It's extremely rare for folks to look at IO sets in this direction. Usually they want to know what sets their powers can take, not what powers can take a set.

 

On the off chance that you actually could work within a small set of powers, like "what powers my character has that could take defense sets", you can see that on each power page's top right side. The icons up there show what enhancement types and set categories a power accepts - the icons with the IO-like hexagonal borders are for set categories. If you hover over the icons, the float text will show you the name of the thing that icon represents, and if you click on a set category icon, it will take you to the list of the sets in that category.

I've attached a file containing the current list of player powerset powers that accept IOs in the "Defense Sets" category.

Defense_Set_Powers.txt

[saver]

On 7/27/2024 at 6:42 PM, BillyMailman said:

CoD doesn't have such an option, no. The data's all there, but there's no page that displays it in reverse like that, just powers listing which enhancement sets they take.

 

And honestly, I don't know that such a thing exists anywhere - neither the Wiki nor Mids have it, either.

Thank you for the helpful info. Knowing it doesn't have that option lets me stop trying to make it happen. 😆

[Jacke]

12 hours ago, UberGuy said:

There are many hundreds of player powers....

 

To get an idea of how many Power a single Toon can have, what with all the possibilities, there's a recent patch that raised the maximum Powers a single Toon can have from 1000 to 1250.  Because there's a case where a Toon got to 1000 Powers.