Scrapper Moonbeam - Please Fix Hit Timing

[BillyMailman]

1 minute ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

Also, unless EVERY insta-snipe in the game also lands damage as soon as the power is clicked, then it makes this a functionality bug on TOP of being a graphical bug. 🙂

A bunch used to! Including Moonbeam, interestingly. It was a bug with the fast snipe thing that'd never made it live before shutdown, and was patched in August 2019, assuming I've found the right patch:

 

Prior to that patch, my Elec/Elec blaster main's Zapp dealt its damage instantly on activation, then animated itself long after the enemy was possibly already dead. And Moonbeam is called out there as being one that was supposed to have been fixed.

[arcane]

Perhaps a dev could comment and tell us if projectiles should be expected to have their effects approximately when they visibly strike the target, since apparently common sense has failed to convince.

[Aurora_Girl]

Uhm, @battlewraith?

 

A "substantial commitment of development time to address somebody's gripe with their snipe animation, which is probably occurring while they're soloing a task force on a scrapper."

 

What, and I cannot stress this enough, the flaming pigeonshit does what @Bill Z Bubba is *doing* when he notices a bug have anything to do with anything?

 

It's either a legit bug or a poor design, and I've noticed similar things with Psi Blast while I'm masochistically leveling a Psi/FF corruptor through TFC. Projectile speeds are all wonky, which throws off damage hitting, which affects survivability (even on a scrapper). 

 

Please roll up your e-peen, read the room, and bow out of this one gracefully because Bill is not someone who brings up things like this just to be an asshole. 

 

EDIT: "bow," not "now"

Edited October 11, 2021 by Aurora_Girl

[SuperPlyx]

Just as an aside, blasters Beam Rifle snipe power has the opposite problem. You fire, see it hit and wait......wait for it......boom mob takes damage. The delay is madding.

[PeregrineFalcon]

Those patch notes are clearly wrong. After all, a PvPer just got done telling us that it's not a bug and provided a google doc as proof. He clearly wasn't lying or trying to gaslight anyone. Oh, no!

 

Also, it doesn't do this as long as you don't slot enhancements in the ability. Clearly the devs don't intend for us to slot enhancements into Moonbeam, right?

 

@Bill Z Bubba How dare you slot enhancements in your powers and then expect them to work correctly!?!

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by PeregrineFalcon
Fixed too large image

[arcane]

12 minutes ago, SuperPlyx said:

Just as an aside, blasters Beam Rifle snipe power has the opposite problem. You fire, see it hit and wait......wait for it......boom mob takes damage. The delay is madding.

I think I was actually struggling with this yesterday but just thought it was some kind of weird lag.

[SuperPlyx]

34 minutes ago, arcane said:

just thought it was some kind of weird lag

I wondered same thing at first and asked in the blaster forum, 3 others replied that they notice it as well

[battlewraith]

 

4 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Reporting the events as they honestly appear to me is not "riding your high horse." It's simply reporting the events as they appear to me.

Also, you have no idea whatsoever how much effort I've put into becoming informed about PvP in this game or not, whether I like PvP or not, and what my bias' are. You're simply making assumptions about my motivations.

 

 

I think those assumptions were pretty reasonable since you came into the thread accusing me of abusing exploits and "shading the truth". I honestly don't care what your motivations are. I gave you a list of powers that don't fit with how you assume things should work in this game. Get somebody official to weigh in on it. If the current devs feel that using these powers in an attack chain is an exploit, that's one thing. If you they don't, or you won't bother to ask, then you're just blowing smoke. Put up or shut up. 

[battlewraith]

3 hours ago, Aurora_Girl said:

Uhm, @battlewraith?

 

A "substantial commitment of development time to address somebody's gripe with their snipe animation, which is probably occurring while they're soloing a task force on a scrapper."

 

What, and I cannot stress this enough, the flaming pigeonshit does what @Bill Z Bubba is *doing* when he notices a bug have anything to do with anything?

 

It's either a legit bug or a poor design, and I've noticed similar things with Psi Blast while I'm masochistically leveling a Psi/FF corruptor through TFC. Projectile speeds are all wonky, which throws off damage hitting, which affects survivability (even on a scrapper). 

 

Please roll up your e-peen, read the room, and bow out of this one gracefully because Bill is not someone who brings up things like this just to be an asshole. 

 

EDIT: "bow," not "now"

 

Reread the thread from the beginning. I didn't come in here talking crap or trying to gaslight people or whatever morons are accusing me of in this thread. I asked him what the problem was, to which he replied that it was dumb and ugly. Sorry, that's a nonjustification to me and I explained why. Now if people are actually having with their animations in ways that impacts performance then yes, obviously that needs to be addressed. 

 

[PeregrineFalcon]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

Get somebody official to weigh in on it. If the current devs feel that using these powers in an attack chain is an exploit, that's one thing. If you they don't, or you won't bother to ask, then you're just blowing smoke. Put up or shut up.

Somebody official already has weighed in on it. The Homecoming developers in the patch notes in August 2019. BillyMailman posted a link to those patch notes, just a few posts up, showing that the devs already tried to fix this at least once. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that it's a bug.

 

I'm just gonna ride off on my High Horse now.

 

 

Wooooooooooo!  Riding my high horse!!!

[battlewraith]

1 hour ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Somebody official already has weighed in on it. The Homecoming developers in the patch notes in August 2019. BillyMailman posted a link to those patch notes, just a few posts up, showing that the devs already tried to fix this at least once. I'd say that's a pretty good indication that it's a bug.

 

I'm just gonna ride off on my High Horse now.

 

 

Wooooooooooo!  Riding my high horse!!!

Well you certainly love to assume things. 

 

I did another test with a scrapper, moonbeam slotted like Bill's. I'm still not seeing this issue. If anything, the insta-snipe looks a tiny bit delayed at times:

 

 

[Bill Z Bubba]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

I did another test with a scrapper

 

You're on a stalker. See the hide power there? I'll post a vid shortly.

[Aurora_Girl]

How does the devs attempting to fix a bug assume that it's a bugohshit my brain just broke

[battlewraith]

1 hour ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

You're on a stalker. See the hide power there? I'll post a vid shortly.

It's a scrapper. Look at the ATOs in the beginning of the video. I think you must be looking at the shinobi-iri toggle.

[Bill Z Bubba]

4 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

It's a scrapper. Look at the ATOs in the beginning of the video. I think you must be looking at the shinobi-iri toggle.

 

Got it. And in getting video I'm noticing something else. If I'm far enough away, projectile and damage numbers coincide. As I close distance and then fire it off, damage numbers appear before projectile or enemy health bar disappears before projectile hits.

[Bill Z Bubba]

 

 

[Bill Z Bubba]

So, my statement that this is 100% repeatable is categorically wrong.

 

My statement that there is a bug present that needs to be fixed is still correct.

 

Mea culpa on the wrong part.

[battlewraith]

After watching your video, I went back and tried again. This time shooting enemies point blank in the face with the insta-snipe. And it was nothing like the weird results you're getting. 

I can see the projectile come out, it hits the target and then they get damaged. Consistently. 

 

Yeah I agree that that there is a bug present in your footage. I don't know why it is so apparent on your character and not present on mine. Does it happen on all your characters with moonbeam? I'm sorry I browbeat you about the power activation issue. What I pictured in my head based on your description was a lot less severe than what you actually showed in that footage. My bad.

 

 

[Bill Z Bubba]

This is my only character with moonbeam. I have never seen this behavior with gloom which I have abused like a good boy. I don't get it either. Nothing I know about the game's mechanics explains it but my knowledge is *extremely* limited.

[Bill Z Bubba]

Will share one thing I've learned from this thread: Next time, start with video. 🙂

[TheZag]

They were aware of their impending doom and dropped to the floor in anticipation.

[LQT]

On 10/12/2021 at 4:14 AM, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

You're on a stalker. See the hide power there? I'll post a vid shortly.

For what it's worth I get the same bug you've mentioned on my stalkers in combat/using fast snipe so it's a persistent thing. It's been like this for months.

Edit: post from June 2020 that touches on this regarding damage occurring before the attack in question lands
 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by LQT
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