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Has anyone complied a Tier list for Brutes similar to Croax's Stalker Tier List?  Seems like that would be a useful thing to have bookmarked somewhere.

 

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Most people that gravitate to Brutes seem to have a concept in mind. In my opinion.  What might seem like one of the most mindless archetypes… well maybe it is a pick based on feeling.  There are some sets that perform better than others sure…. Most of us sort of know whats what.  But our ‘decision’ tends to be a gut choice based on how we want to smash.   My two cents

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To the OP, no. In a generic way, I just factor in how those sets get converted from a Stalker to a Brute and bump up the resist sets in how useful they can be since Brutes have a much bigger HP pool to deal with. Things like does a melee set use a pet instead of a direct attack as well is factored in since those are good for a Stalker since they don't break Hide, but bad for a Brute since they aren't impacted by Fury.

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For farming?  For Teaming?  For Soloing?  For funsizes?  

 

In my experience Brute primaries are more about the feel for the player.  Numbers wise they're actually pretty close (comparted to other ATs) but Spines for AoE, Energy Melee for Single Target, Claws for a solid balance of both.  I hear good things about Savage, never run one to 50 though.  And Staff is a lot of fun, easily took mine to 50, and it's probably the "worse" Brute primary set.  

 

Secondary sets, Dark Armor for resists, Energy Armor for Defense, Invulnerability for mixed?

 

And of course Spines/Fire for farming.    

 

It's cliché advise, but play what feels good.  They'll all get to 50 just fine, and IO'd and Incarnated will solo most +4/*8 mission content.

 

If you have a specific "Thing" in mind for your Brute to do, you'll get some real specific feedback I suspect.

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Sounds like it would be pretty subjective. Nothing is really really bad (KM is weak, but needs so few powers from the primary that we can squeeze in a bunch of other stuff. Psi is weak, but has a lot of CC and can be pretty safe to use. DM isn't super strong, but brings endurance recovery and a tiny heal).

 

Some, of course, are stronger in their specific areas. But if I say 'Elec Melee/Staff is not actually that great AoE' I'll have people blinking owlishly and 'confused' reactions to my post. I'm not even sure a 'clear times tier list' would be accepted since people would still argue.

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Yea, me, too. And then argue with it.

That’d be part of the fun 😂

 

You know, not that it is THE top tier brute, BUT there is one powerset combo I found that really shines on a Brute: Savage Melee/Bio Armor.

 

Both Savage Melee and Bio have DOT’s, and those DOT’s are pumped up by fury… so it ends up being a ton of orange numbers that really allow you to tear through mobs. Pretty fun as well.

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22 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

Yea, me, too. And then argue with it.

 

 

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Empty Knight: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Savage Melee
Secondary Power Set: Stone Armor
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Maiming Slash

  • (A) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
  • (3) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
  • (3) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (5) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (31) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
  • (31) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 1: Rock Armor

  • (A) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
  • (5) Shield Wall - Defense
  • (7) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
  • (13) Shield Wall - Defense/Recharge

Level 2: Shred

  • (A) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage
  • (36) Superior Unrelenting Fury - RechargeTime/+Regen/+End
  • (36) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 4: Stone Skin

  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (11) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (13) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
  • (17) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (19) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (19) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 6: Blood Thirst

  • (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
  • (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
  • (45) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 8: Earth's Embrace

  • (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
  • (9) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
  • (11) Panacea - Heal/Recharge

Level 10: Vicious Slash

  • (A) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage
  • (37) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance
  • (37) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (37) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (39) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  • (39) Superior Blistering Cold - Recharge/Chance for Hold

Level 12: Mud Pots

  • (A) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage
  • (15) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Recharge
  • (15) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (17) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (33) Superior Brute's Fury - Recharge/Fury Bonus
  • (33) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 14: Kick

  • (A) Empty

Level 16: Rooted

  • (A) Healing IO
  • (39) Healing IO

Level 18: Rending Flurry

  • (A) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage
  • (40) Superior Avalanche - Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (42) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (42) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown

Level 20: Brimstone Armor

  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (21) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (21) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (23) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
  • (33) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance

Level 22: Tough

  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (23) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (25) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (25) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  • (27) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 24: Weave

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 26: Combat Teleport

  • (A) Range IO

Level 28: Crystal Armor

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 30: Combat Jumping

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 32: Savage Leap

  • (A) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Damage
  • (45) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (45) Cleaving Blow - Damage/Recharge
  • (46) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff
  • (46) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (46) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage

Level 35: Minerals

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 38: Teleport

  • (A) Range IO

Level 41: Fold Space

  • (A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 44: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (50) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 47: Gloom

  • (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge
  • (48) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (48) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (48) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  • (50) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
  • (50) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime

Level 49: Taunt

  • (A) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage

Level 1: Fury


Level 1: Brawl

 

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Level 1: Sprint
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Rest
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Swift
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Hurdle
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Health
  • (A) Miracle - +Recovery
  • (7) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
Level 2: Stamina
  • (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
  • (9) Performance Shifter - EndMod
Level 1: Blood Frenzy

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash
  • (A) Empty
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Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

  • (A) Empty
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Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

  • (A) Empty
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Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

  • (A) Empty
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Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

  • (A) Empty
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Level 4: Ninja Run


Level 50: Ageless Radial Epiphany
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Degenerative Core Flawless Interface
Level 50: Carnival Radial Superior Ally
Level 50: Assault Radial Embodiment
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Best Broot, fight meh!

 

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Empty Knight: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Savage Melee
Secondary Power Set: Stone Armor
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Maiming Slash

  • (A) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
  • (3) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
  • (3) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (5) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (31) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
  • (31) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 1: Rock Armor

  • (A) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
  • (5) Shield Wall - Defense
  • (7) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
  • (13) Shield Wall - Defense/Recharge

Level 2: Shred

  • (A) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  • (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Damage/RechargeTime
  • (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage
  • (36) Superior Unrelenting Fury - RechargeTime/+Regen/+End
  • (36) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 4: Stone Skin

  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (11) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (13) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
  • (17) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (19) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (19) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 6: Blood Thirst

  • (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
  • (42) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
  • (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
  • (45) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 8: Earth's Embrace

  • (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
  • (9) Numina's Convalesence - Heal/Recharge
  • (11) Panacea - Heal/Recharge

Level 10: Vicious Slash

  • (A) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage
  • (37) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance
  • (37) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (37) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (39) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  • (39) Superior Blistering Cold - Recharge/Chance for Hold

Level 12: Mud Pots

  • (A) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage
  • (15) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Recharge
  • (15) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (17) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  • (33) Superior Brute's Fury - Recharge/Fury Bonus
  • (33) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 14: Kick

  • (A) Empty

Level 16: Rooted

  • (A) Healing IO
  • (39) Healing IO

Level 18: Rending Flurry

  • (A) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage
  • (40) Superior Avalanche - Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (40) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (42) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (42) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown

Level 20: Brimstone Armor

  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (21) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (21) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (23) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
  • (33) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance

Level 22: Tough

  • (A) Aegis - Resistance
  • (23) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  • (25) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
  • (25) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  • (27) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 24: Weave

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (27) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 26: Combat Teleport

  • (A) Range IO

Level 28: Crystal Armor

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
  • (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 30: Combat Jumping

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 32: Savage Leap

  • (A) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Damage
  • (45) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Recharge
  • (45) Cleaving Blow - Damage/Recharge
  • (46) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff
  • (46) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  • (46) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage

Level 35: Minerals

  • (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
  • (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 38: Teleport

  • (A) Range IO

Level 41: Fold Space

  • (A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 44: Hasten

  • (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  • (50) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 47: Gloom

  • (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge
  • (48) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  • (48) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  • (48) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  • (50) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
  • (50) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime

Level 49: Taunt

  • (A) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage

Level 1: Fury


Level 1: Brawl

 

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  • (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Rest
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Swift
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Hurdle
  • (A) Empty
Level 2: Health
  • (A) Miracle - +Recovery
  • (7) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
Level 2: Stamina
  • (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
  • (9) Performance Shifter - EndMod
Level 1: Blood Frenzy

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash
  • (A) Empty
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Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

  • (A) Empty
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Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

  • (A) Empty
  Reveal hidden contents

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

  • (A) Empty
  Reveal hidden contents

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

  • (A) Empty
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Level 4: Ninja Run


Level 50: Ageless Radial Epiphany
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Degenerative Core Flawless Interface
Level 50: Carnival Radial Superior Ally
Level 50: Assault Radial Embodiment
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Honestly, Savage/Stone does seem like it’s be pretty powerful haha

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I still find my EM/Fire the best blend. Great ST from EM, AoE assist from Fire Armor, good ST burst from EM for problem targets, good AoE burst from triple procced Burn, sturdy enough to face tank most non psi content. But that's less of a tier list and more of a particular combo.

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1 minute ago, Sovera said:

I still find my EM/Fire the best blend. Great ST from EM, AoE assist from Fire Armor, good ST burst from EM for problem targets, good AoE burst from triple procced Burn, sturdy enough to face tank most non psi content. But that's less of a tier list and more of a particular combo.

How do you feel it’s damage compares to the classic EM/Bio? I could see Fire , with proc’d out burn, really allowing this combo to tear through mobs while still taking down AV’s because EM is EM lol

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1 minute ago, StriderIV said:

How do you feel it’s damage compares to the classic EM/Bio? I could see Fire , with proc’d out burn, really allowing this combo to tear through mobs while still taking down AV’s because EM is EM lol

 

You'd have to dig through the Pylon thread and try to find an EM/Bio brute. I get 2:30 on that. Now shave 30 seconds if I also took Gloom. Scrappers do it better but their ATOs are actually useful.

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41 minutes ago, Sovera said:

 

You'd have to dig through the Pylon thread and try to find an EM/Bio brute. I get 2:30 on that. Now shave 30 seconds if I also took Gloom. Scrappers do it better but their ATOs are actually useful.

True, but I just don’t see myself taking Fire Armor on a Scrapper.

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This thread and the fact that I'm playing a newly 50 inv/em tank built for tanking, but of course soloing now to unlock incarnates, is pushing me towards an opinion. Regardless of AT, SD>SR>everything else. And the best most well rounded brute will be the same as the best well rounded scrapper and tank. Shield and Nrg Melee. For best damage, I'm told that TW is still greater than Nrg, so TW/Bio. Most survivable? Probably dark/shield runnin MG-Gloom-SL-Smite-repeat with darkest night in play.

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6 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

This thread and the fact that I'm playing a newly 50 inv/em tank built for tanking, but of course soloing now to unlock incarnates, is pushing me towards an opinion. Regardless of AT, SD>SR>everything else. And the best most well rounded brute will be the same as the best well rounded scrapper and tank. Shield and Nrg Melee. For best damage, I'm told that TW is still greater than Nrg, so TW/Bio. Most survivable? Probably dark/shield runnin MG-Gloom-SL-Smite-repeat with darkest night in play.

Yeah, my Shield/Rad Tanker is obscene. I could see Shield/Nrg being just a crazy, probably trading some of that AOE for better ST. 
 

Claws/Bio might be in the running for best damage on a scrapper. Maybe not for ST, but just all around. I do agree with the Dark Melee/Shield scrapper though. Just pretty classic and very survivable for a scrap. Only one I have at 50 lol

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8 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

This thread and the fact that I'm playing a newly 50 inv/em tank built for tanking, but of course soloing now to unlock incarnates, is pushing me towards an opinion. Regardless of AT, SD>SR>everything else. And the best most well rounded brute will be the same as the best well rounded scrapper and tank. Shield and Nrg Melee. For best damage, I'm told that TW is still greater than Nrg, so TW/Bio. Most survivable? Probably dark/shield runnin MG-Gloom-SL-Smite-repeat with darkest night in play.

 

Have you tried Stone Armor on a Brute/Tank post tweaks? I haven't done a Shield character but just looking at Mids numbers seem about the same. More DDR by stacking the anti-mez clicky.

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3 hours ago, Sovera said:

Have you tried Stone Armor on a Brute/Tank post tweaks? I haven't done a Shield character but just looking at Mids numbers seem about the same. More DDR by stacking the anti-mez clicky.

 

I have not and probably will not. I hate granite armor and the testing I did on beta with a claws/stone scrapper led me to think the T9 was still going to be necessary. Also realized last night that the same hate may be why I don't do form shifting khels. Still, I probably should look at the granite-less numbers for tanks. Might be ok but I'm already runnin a dark/stone scrapper.

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11 minutes ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

I have not and probably will not. I hate granite armor and the testing I did on beta with a claws/stone scrapper led me to think the T9 was still going to be necessary. Also realized last night that the same hate may be why I don't do form shifting khels. Still, I probably should look at the granite-less numbers for tanks. Might be ok but I'm already runnin a dark/stone scrapper.

 

I haven't had use for it yet but it just squeaks into softcap territory graniteless on a Brute and that's something that gets whittled by defense debuffs. On a Tanker I got some silly numbers like 76% resists across the board with two stacks on top of softcap defense on top of DDR. Also Incarnate defense levels with MA on top of the rest behind.

 

On a Brute/Scrapper it has an E/N hole. On a Tanker it has... no hole? It's the new Shield. But less DDR.

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