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Here we go. The new era begins... with Epic Trailer Elton John?

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  • Scott is enjoying being an Avenger. Including, it seems, going to (Marvel?) movie premieres. It just doesn't seem to sit right with him.
  • Oh you darn kids, messing with Primal Forces You Do Not Understand...
  • Wasp I / Janet Van Dyne (Pfeiffer) ran into bad things in the Quantum Realm. But what...or who?
  • Lots of aliens/otherdimensional creatures, plus Pathfinder from Apex. And a cantina. Of course.
  • And... Bill Murray? Apparently as a mid-level boss bad guy.
    (EDIT: from the SDCC trailer, Janet/Pfeiffer knows him). But that's just a taste of the threat, before we get to...
  • ...our first proper look at Jonathan Majors' Kang The Conqueror, his palace/base, and multidimensional invasion fleet. Shiny.
  • Kang needs help from our heroes. But what exactly? In a quote from the SDCC-only trailer, as reported: "You're an interesting man, Scott Lang. You've lost a lot of time. But time, it isn't what you think... It's not a straight line. But I'm sure that's not exactly important to you right now. You more-than-likely want to know why I'm here, and most of all, what I want with you. I have need of your...particular skill. You've been regarded, both lauded and reviled, as a thief. And believe it or not, that's what I have need of right now. You see, someone has stolen something from me. And you, my friend, are the only one who could steal it back. So...have we an accord, Mr. Lang?"
  • What does Kang mean by that? Is Scott dying? Does all that messing around with Pym Particles leave some permanent problems? Or is he referring to the years he spent trapped in the Quantum Realm while his daughter grew up?
  • Also from SDCC, that quote:
    "You don't scare me. I'm an Avenger."
    "An Avenger... have I killed you before?"
  • Finally... I wonder if any of the designers ever played COH, since I'm getting a lot of Shadow Shard vibes here...

 

Edited by ThaOGDreamWeaver
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Okay, I've known for some time that Quantumania would have a lot to do with...what else?...the quantum realm, and that HE would be in the movie (no not Mephisto).  But this trailer went off in a hugely different direction than I was thinking.

 

I suppose I should mention up front that I've not seen every work in Phase 4 of the MCU, so there may be details in the overall story arc of the MCU of which I'm not currently aware.

 

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20 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Here we go. The new era begins... with Epic Trailer Elton John?

 

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  • Scott is enjoying being an Avenger. Including, it seems, going to (Marvel?) movie premieres. It just doesn't seem to sit right with him.
  • Oh you darn kids, messing with Primal Forces You Do Not Understand...  I'll comment more on that in my own hidden box
  • Wasp I / Janet Van Dyne (Pfeiffer) ran into bad things in the Quantum Realm. But what...or who?  I'll comment more on that in my own hidden box
  • Lots of aliens/otherdimensional creatures, plus Pathfinder from Apex. And a cantina. Of course.  Getting a serious Guardians of the Galaxy vibe with all these weird aliens and weird environments.
  • And... Bill Murray? Apparently as a mid-level boss bad guy.  The big question here is how they got him to agree to the part.  I've gotten the understanding from things I've read over the past few years that Murray has become selective (a nice word for "picky") about parts. But then they say "every man has his price".
    (EDIT: from the SDCC trailer, Janet/Pfeiffer knows him). But that's just a taste of the threat, before we get to...
  • ...our first proper look at Jonathan Majors' Kang The Conqueror, his palace/base, and multidimensional invasion fleet. ShinyIs it Kang?  Or one of his warlord alternates?  This one bears a prominent slightly-ragged scar down the left side of his face, which as near as I can tell by looking at a lot of comic panels, Kang doesn't have.  Kang instead has clean vertical lines one per side of his face, each crossing an eye.  Tattoos?  I don't know, but it is an iconic part of his look.  They may interpret this as some sort of facemask for the MCU, perhaps.  We know from He Who Remains that the various alternates were battling each other until he gained the upper hand, sealing everything into a single timeline.  More on that in my hide box.
  • Kang needs help from our heroes. But what exactly? In a quote from the SDCC-only trailer, as reported: "You're an interesting man, Scott Lang. You've lost a lot of time. But time, it isn't what you think... It's not a straight line. But I'm sure that's not exactly important to you right now. You more-than-likely want to know why I'm here, and most of all, what I want with you. I have need of your...particular skill. You've been regarded, both lauded and reviled, as a thief. And believe it or not, that's what I have need of right now. You see, someone has stolen something from me. And you, my friend, are the only one who could steal it back. So...have we an accord, Mr. Lang?"  If this is the case, I like the possibility.  We were given a demonstration that, although Lang is a bit of a man-child, he has a brilliant mind when it comes to heists.  I'd like to see that in action again, this time fighting for his family.
  • What does Kang mean by that? Is Scott dying? Does all that messing around with Pym Particles leave some permanent problems? Or is he referring to the years he spent trapped in the Quantum Realm while his daughter grew up?  I suspect Kang is aware that Lang lost years in prison, and that is what he's referencing by lost time. He's holding out a carrot to Scott by suggesting Scott's perception of time as linear is wrong.  "Work for me, and your life will be extended", that sort of thing.
  • Also from SDCC, that quote:
    "You don't scare me. I'm an Avenger."
    "An Avenger... have I killed you before?"
  • Finally... I wonder if any of the designers ever played COH, since I'm getting a lot of Shadow Shard vibes here...  Actually, I had to wonder if they played No Man's Sky.  This guy, whom you called Pathfinder from Apex Legends, also looks modeled on some of the looks in No Man's Sky. image.png.509253794f5e1bdefadc125591ed8280.png

 

 

Some of my own thoughts:

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  • Primal Forces You Do Not Understand...  This one bugged me right out of the gate.  Cassie, who has been, apparently, on her own trying to survive for 5 years of the blip is suddenly a doctorate-level quantum physicist?  I realize she's got the two most knowledgeable quantum scientist as teachers (and the two second-most quantum-knowledgeable people as backups) but one has to go through years of foundational training to reach that level.  That is, unless one belongs to the MCU, apparently.
  • Did Janet Van Dyne originally run into bad things in the Quantum Realm, or was that part of the reset that a pair of Lokis unleashed on MCU existence? I find it very odd that she didn't at least tell Hank Pym that there was a terrifyingly powerful army on one of the levels of the quantum realm waiting for a chance to reach the surface world.  "Don't go there again" might be something one would need to communicate...quickly.
  • Assuming for the moment that this is indeed THE Kang, it makes a lot of sense to park and build your massive army and armada on a plane of the quantum realm.  Your enemies will be far less likely to find you, and with the MCU interpretation of "quantum", one would be able to jump to different times, and presumably therefore, different alternate timelines/universes with relative ease.  I guess the MCU is interpreting the quantum realm as an underlying mesh or web that connects the alternate existences.
  • Cassie has her Pym armor.  I'm not sure why they created it for a teen, except for story necessity, but she's now primed for becoming Stature/Sting.
  • Ant-Man stories always play fast and loose with physics, but they've previously stated that part of the reason for the suits is oxygen.  Changing size means you have to have something to change the size of oxygen molecules or you cannot breathe, as the size doesn't match.  Of course this whole story is the massive quantum magic handwave in action here, so everyone can breathe in the quantum realm.
  • Where did they all get their Pym armor? Everyone in the room when the quantum event sucked them in were wearing casual clothes.  I suppose the answer is a handwave that they all had their armor shrunk and in their pockets, but still...
  • We're going to get Michelle Pfeiffer as Janet Van Dyne for a full movie this time.  Seriously looking forward to that.
  • Michael Douglas is looking pretty fit for a 78-year-old actor.  I'm wondering if his contract specifies top-knotch health care and Captain America-level workout training so that he will be around and kicking for a while.  Of course, being one generation from a centenarian probably helps, too.  I do wonder, though, what Marvel-Disney plans are for the character should Michael be unable to continue.  I would hope they would not retire the character like they did T'Challa, but would recast with an actor closer to Michelle Pfeiffer's age.  Then again, if Pym went out heroically like Tony Stark, fans could at least appreciate the loss.  And this is the quantum realm.  Who's to say there's not an alternate Hank Pym floating around down there? 

 

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3 hours ago, Techwright said:

If this is the case, I like the possibility.  We were given a demonstration that, although Lang is a bit of a man-child, he has a brilliant mind when it comes to heists.  I'd like to see that in action again, this time fighting for his family.

 

This could indeed be fun. Current fan theory is that Scott is going to have to do something very bad to help his family. And what resembles Kang's tech most - at least visually... is/are the Ten Rings. There's also a rumour that Ms. Marvel's power bangle could be involved, though I thought that only awoke her latent mutant special abilities...

 

WAKE UP YA MISCREANTS AND... HEY, GET YOUR OWN DAMN SIGNATURE.

Look out for me being generally cool, stylish and funny (delete as applicable) on Excelsior.

 

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